Wayne Cubed Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 13 hours ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: There is no longer a "doubtful" designation. There is "questionable" and "out". And, of course Josh is currently questionable. Looked for the link to show the rules, couldn't find it. But, I know I heard it on WGR the other day and looking at the injury report, those are the only two used anywhere so I'm quite sure it's correct. Think you are confused. The designation the NFL got rid of was “probable.” Pre 2017 there were 4 designations a teams could use: probable, questionable, doubtful, out. Belichick used to be the master of the probable designation, to keep teams guessing. Now teams only have 3 designations to use but doubtful is definitely still one. https://operations.nfl.com/media/2683/2017-nfl-injury-report-policy.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 hours ago, RiotAct said: Something I’ve been wondering over the past day or so. How would the Vikes preparing to have to face Allen, then in reality on gameday facing Keenum, put them at a disadvantage? Are there really a ton of new wrinkles that we’re going to be able to have in our playbook now? To me that’s like studying really hard for an advanced physics exam in college and then the actual exam is 5 open-book questions where you can plug and chug simple numbers into Newton’s Law. Okay, maybe not THAT extreme, but still. Well, if you are scheming for Allen you probably are prepared to spy him. That's a useless defender if Allen doesn't play. So you, as the spy, prepared all week to spy Josh Allen, and now you are being asked to do something else. Likely, you prepared for both, but having your attention divided does not help. That's one example. I'm sure there are others. Another thing is you don't really have much film on him with the Bills, so you have to go back to film from previous years on other teams. All in all, though, you would absolutely choose to face Keenum regardless of the slight disadvantages that come from not knowing if Allen is going to play or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 hours ago, RiotAct said: Something I’ve been wondering over the past day or so. How would the Vikes preparing to have to face Allen, then in reality on gameday facing Keenum, put them at a disadvantage? Are there really a ton of new wrinkles that we’re going to be able to have in our playbook now? To me that’s like studying really hard for an advanced physics exam in college and then the actual exam is 5 open-book questions where you can plug and chug simple numbers into Newton’s Law. Okay, maybe not THAT extreme, but still. Preparing for two different types of QBs takes extra time in practice and game planning. It’s a different game plan when you have a Qb like Allen to prepare for . Of course they would rather have Keenum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Preparing for two different types of QBs takes extra time in practice and game planning. It’s a different game plan when you have a Qb like Allen to prepare for . Of course they would rather have Keenum. Tom Landry took this to the extreme when he alternated Morton and Staubach on every play, using them as a shuttle system to call plays. That had to drive defenses crazy as they were very different stylistically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Multiple people are idiots. Do you honestly think Allen would have trotted out there in practice without an arm brace and in pads for his first practice of the week with McDermott saying it's gone from day to day to hour to hour with him??? C'mon people I can't friggin believe those of you who think that somehow a "surprise!!!" Case Keenum start is better than even a 75% Josh Allen... and I'm sure Josh Allen is closer to 100% than 75% Hear me now and believe me Sunday at kickoff: JA17 starts and we’re up by 24 at halftime, and Case does his game mgt thing 2nd half. Go Bills 🦬 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 My take on all this having watched mcdermotts pressers and listening to dr Chao and the banged up Bills Dr there is no chance he plays. They are just creating doubt for the Vikings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Since1981 said: You are so far off base. I don’t even know where to start. Yeah, I’m disappointed he got hurt (!) smashing into guys making interceptions with broken bones, while White/Hyde are out. please, please just stop. Poyer has battled injuries. He is a difference maker when on the field. Some people have zero football IQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 So much speculation. No one knows the severity of the injury. The media is guessing and are trying to make themselves relevant. How bout this guess. JA17 went out to practice yesterday to test his arm since he hurt it Sunday. He had a sleeve to start. But they took it off because there was no pain. When he went to run off the field he picked up the sleeve on his way out. No one really knows what’s about to happen tomorrow but the Bills . Unless it’s coming from them , and it won’t it’s meaningless to me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp566 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said: Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. In a strange kind of way, I do. In kind of a preseason type game. Starts, plays a series or two, then sits the rest of the game.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: In a strange kind of way, I do. In kind of a preseason type game. Starts, plays a series or two, then sits the rest of the game.😁 If he plays, he plays the game. I don’t see them bringing him in for a series or two, that’s what practice is for. Not a live game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: Poyer has been a major disappointment this year. The only thing disappointing this season with Poyer are the injuries, his play while on the field, hasn’t been disappointing at all. Besides the injuries, he has battled like hell to play through them, that’s FAR from disappointing. Tell me, what about Poyer this season, other than injuries, has been disappointing? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said: Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. Do you think this thread would have gone 110+ pages if people didn’t think that? If he definitely wasn’t going to play wouldn’t he have been ruled out already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 42 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said: Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. I bet the Vikings do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 It's possible that the elbow is better than we think, and Allen could play, but it's marginal. Even in that case, McDermott's conservative history with injuries, on top of this being an NFC game, would suggest Allen will sit. But if he's on the healthy side of marginal, Dorsey might be putting together a plan that relies heavily on runs--including by Allen, the best runner on the team--and short passes: dump offs, screen, slants, etc., minimizing passes that stress the elbow, such as outs and flies. The Vikings will adjust, of course, but it still might be a better plan than starting Keenum with all his limitations, especially his mobility. The threat of Allen running and maybe uncorking a bomb--who knows?--could flummox a Vikings team that prepared for a statue with just an ok arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tanoros said: If he plays, he plays the game. I don’t see them bringing him in for a series or two, that’s what practice is for. Not a live game. Practice is not real. Josh is a baller and I think he will push to play. That's why I think he'll start. The question will be if our OL can protect him and can he stay in the pocket and not be at risk of taking hits. If the OL can hold up, he may play longer (maybe even the entire game), if not, pull him and not risk it. Just weird with the week to week, day to day and hour to hour talk. Maybe he plays and hands the ball off every time. They are playing games and giving him the start and then sitting him could also play into the next couple of games. As I said, in a strange way, I think he plays. How much, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: The intelligent plan should be to keep Minnesota guessing right up to game time. Then announce Josh not playing. Give him an additional 7 days of rest and treatment. Hope Keenum/Bass can generate 20 pts. Then ask your defense to "hold the door". Next week we get a 95% Josh and ask Tre to return. That should give them a boost for Cleveland. And because of Garrett, Josh's gameplan will be conservative. This is what I said. If the defense can hold up and hold the Vikings to 14-17 points and can find our way to 20-23 then winning this game is definitely possible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Do you think this thread would have gone 110+ pages if people didn’t think that? If he definitely wasn’t going to play wouldn’t he have been ruled out already? A Josh Allen thread about his favorite color could go 110+ pages on this board. And, no, even if the team was 100% sure he wasn’t playing he wouldn’t be ruled out publicly. I don’t know if he’s playing or not, but why would they give the Vikings a heads up on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 I’ve noticed there are 2 different ways in which fans pronounce Josh Allen’s last name. There is Josh Allen (Owl-in) And Josh Allen (Ail-in) I am Owl-in on the🦉 this week cause I don’t want him Ail-in 🤕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 48 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said: Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. apparently a lot of people do. Admirable, really. Just now, BobBelcher said: I’ve noticed there are 2 different ways in which fans pronounce Josh Allen’s last name. There is Josh Allen (Owl-in) And Josh Allen (Ail-in) I am Owl-in on the🦉 this week cause I don’t want him Ail-in 🤕 AL inn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: apparently a lot of people do. Admirable, really. AL inn. i can roll with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: This is what I said. If the defense can hold up and hold the Vikings to 14-17 points and can find our way to 20-23 then winning this game is definitely possible So your strategy would be to try to outscore the Vikings? Interesting….. (Sorry, I’m just kidding around. I know what you mean.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Do you think this thread would have gone 110+ pages if people didn’t think that? If he definitely wasn’t going to play wouldn’t he have been ruled out already? Oddly, based on the wrap we saw on Friday, I do. I'm wondering if this is more of a nerve issue (pain tolerance/grip ability) than it is an ulnar issue. The guess here is that the UCL checked out relatively clean (at least less significant than the 2018 injury) and the problem relates to a nerve impingement, which in turn affects a couple of fingers and grip ability. Just a(n unfounded) guess, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: This is what I said. If the defense can hold up and hold the Vikings to 14-17 points and can find our way to 20-23 then winning this game is definitely possible So you are saying if the Bills outscore the Vikings they have a chance to win the game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 52 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said: Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. some do. I’m one of them. But when I’m being honest with myself, deep down I know he isn’t, and I also know it’s probably for the better than he doesn’t play. I just remember how miserable I was last year the week after the Bills were on a 2 game losing streak and I guess it’s kind of a defense mechanism for not wanting to feel that way again. I also tried to warm up to the idea of Keenum starting, but when I watch the guy’s highlights, every 5 throws there’s a throw in which I think to myself “Yikes… that one had serious pick-6 potential”. It ain’t gonna be easy to watch him, unless we have one heck of a game plan. This is the biggest test for Dorsey yet imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Johnnyp566 said: Is there anyone that actually thinks he is playing? This is a joke. There is still a distinct chance that the injury only involved the nerve, in which case it is more likely he plays than not, it would just be a matter of the numbness and tingling going away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, Chaos said: So you are saying if the Bills outscore the Vikings they have a chance to win the game? Lol. You know what I meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 If it was bad he would already be ruled out. I dont think Allen is the type to tell his teammates he is playing than not play. A week of rest for his elbow and I think Allen plays. Tonight we will get an indication. If Barkley is brought up probably signals Allen will be held out. I think Buffalo wins with or without Allen. The offense will be more multiple and more balanced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Does anyone think he might start the game technically for the first play hand it off and in comes Keenum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said: Does anyone think he might start the game technically for the first play hand it off and in comes Keenum. No. This would be pointless, but more importantly we need the active roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, BillsFanSD said: No. This would be pointless, but more importantly we need the active roster spot. True just thinking it could be possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:44 PM, gridirongold said: I've seem Cook fall forward with momentum once. The position doesn't require seasoning. Singletary is a beast and a better receiver next to Cook Singletary has a role for sure. I see it like NO split with Ingram and Kamara during Kamaras rookie year. Cook has more big play ability. Give him more touches so he can take advantage of the times when the line gets everyone blocked. Those 10 to 20 yard runs by Singletary are much bigger with Cook. They have brought Cook along very slowly. They also have schemed up redzone plays that were also wide open but were not able to get the play off. Put those plays in the offense more often. I don't expect Buffalo to run alot more. I do think they need to find a way that is not so dependent on Allen for a big play. I believe that is Cook. 5 touches a game isnt enough to show it. Singletary needs 10 to 15 to get going. I think you can get the same increase in output with Cook and the ceiling would be much higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Paul Costa said: So much speculation. No one knows the severity of the injury. The media is guessing and are trying to make themselves relevant. How bout this guess. JA17 went out to practice yesterday to test his arm since he hurt it Sunday. He had a sleeve to start. But they took it off because there was no pain. When he went to run off the field he picked up the sleeve on his way out. No one really knows what’s about to happen tomorrow but the Bills . Unless it’s coming from them , and it won’t it’s meaningless to me Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: Does anyone think he might start the game technically for the first play hand it off and in comes Keenum. Remember when Matt Cassel took the first snap of the season and then that was it. Or something like that. Can’t exactly recall what happened there. Anyone not at that game and 25 beers deep remember the exact sequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Paul Costa said: So much speculation. No one knows the severity of the injury. The media is guessing and are trying to make themselves relevant. How bout this guess. JA17 went out to practice yesterday to test his arm since he hurt it Sunday. He had a sleeve to start. But they took it off because there was no pain. When he went to run off the field he picked up the sleeve on his way out. No one really knows what’s about to happen tomorrow but the Bills . Unless it’s coming from them , and it won’t it’s meaningless to me Except we absolutely do know the severity of it and it's very minor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Singletary has a role for sure. I see it like NO split with Ingram and Kamara during Kamaras rookie year. Cook has more big play ability. Give him more touches so he can take advantage of the times when the line gets everyone blocked. Those 10 to 20 yard runs by Singletary are much bigger with Cook. They have brought Cook along very slowly. They also have schemed up redzone plays that were also wide open but were not able to get the play off. Put those plays in the offense more often. I don't expect Buffalo to run alot more. I do think they need to find a way that is not so dependent on Allen for a big play. I believe that is Cook. 5 touches a game isnt enough to show it. Singletary needs 10 to 15 to get going. I think you can get the same increase in output with Cook and the ceiling would be much higher. I agree with this post, Allen dependent. Sal C has tried to explain why Cook is being brought along slowly, is it him or Coaches, and he just was flat out guessing, because the numbers don’t match up with what he is saying. Practice habits, blocking responsibilities, all I know is he is 5 ypc so far and has potential in the pass game. So I agree, start getting him the ball. Allen needs more help from his OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) If Josh thinks he can play, he should play. Too much riding on this game to treat it like a loss is no big deal. As loss today, with a win by MIA, knocks us to third in the Division. Edited November 12, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I agree with this post, Allen dependent. Sal C has tried to explain why Cook is being brought along slowly, is it him or Coaches, and he just was flat out guessing, because the numbers don’t match up with what he is saying. Practice habits, blocking responsibilities, all I know is he is 5 ypc so far and has potential in the pass game. So I agree, start getting him the ball. Allen needs more help from his OC. I love Sal, but it’s hard for me to really put any analysis-driven stock about what the coaching staff is doing when he was constantly explaining us their view of “pass catchers” in the off-season. Maybe that is truly what the staff wanted, but it’s not been a success. The lack of reliability outside Diggs was an issue then, still is. So, when it comes to Cook, I’m supposed to trust that there’s a good reason to be bringing him along slowly? I’m more of the mindset that they’ve just mishandled him so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, SCBills said: So, when it comes to Cook, I’m supposed to trust that there’s a good reason to be bringing him along slowly? I’m more of the mindset that they’ve just mishandled him so far. Could also be a combination of the 2. There's good reason to bring him along slowly. We also know we're not immune from mishandling players & game situations & new stadiums & just about anything. For me, i've seen enough thats positive out of Devin's game & Cook's that we need to see more of a commitment to both. Singletary doesnt need to be brought along slowly, whats the excuse for him? Is a 4.4 ypc average just not good enough to cut it in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: My take on all this having watched mcdermotts pressers and listening to dr Chao and the banged up Bills Dr there is no chance he plays. They are just creating doubt for the Vikings. I think it is much less severe than those 3rd party doctors think. Allen played in practice on Friday. I could easily see it as a thing where they decided out of caution and said "we'll just rest it all week and get you some reps on Friday and see how you feel." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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