Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[RiotAct]

14 minutes ago, zow2 said:

It's Keenum's job if Allen is out....but if he struggles to execute the offense I can see them giving Barkley a look.  This is not a time to play around.  We are 0-2 in the Division and the Jets/Miami are 2-1 and even with 6 wins.  People are pretty chill about it, but the Bills are in a fight for their playoff lives here.

Chill Level 2 / 10 currently, I’d say.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

I wish people would stop saying sit him for one week so he can "heal up". A torn ligament takes months to heal, and from what I understand, they never fully heal. It's why if you keep spraining your ankle, it gets easier to sprain in the furure, there's is less ligament to stabilize the joint.

 

Sitting one week won't heal jack.

oh...cool.  so where did you go to medical school gene?

[teef]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

I have destroyed my left ankle more than a few times, as well as a torn rotator cuff. I got this information directly from my Dr's.

 

The tear Allen had in 2018 is still there in some fashion.

oh...cool.  so the university of nowhere?  

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I said my reasoning earlier in the thread, but here are my reasons:

 

1) Josh injured his arm and then still threw 2 passes.  Yes, the first pass he threw (3rd and 21) was when he grabbed his arm.  But the next throw he chucked it 70 yards.

 

2) After that final throw the cameras showing him did not show him in pain grabbing his arm.

 

3) Compare that all with the similar injury he had in his rookie year against the Texans where he hurt it on one play and then on the next play when he threw it he was in obvious pain and pulled himself out of the game.

 

4) After the game he showed up and the PC without any ice or splint or anything on his elbow.  

 

 

Those are the reasons I wasn't really overly worried about any prognosis.  It was clear it wasn't going to be as bad as his rookie year injury where he missed 4 games.  So... that left the question of whether he would miss any.  Then we get to the question of whether he'd miss any...

 

5) Reports yesterday from Rap and others that it was just a strain and Josh would probably play through it.

 

6) Diggs's tweet.  Just a piece of the puzzle, but Diggs is sly on twitter so (I believe) it was clear he was saying something about Josh.

 

7) McDermott doesn't exactly have a history of saying "he's fine" when players have potential injuries, so of course he's erring on the side of caution.  The day-to-day designation was at minimum what he was going to call.

 

8  Yes, reports are that Josh won't practice today.  Might not tomorrow either.  That's the part that I could say gives me pause, but why not err on the side of caution?  It's not like Josh doesn't know the offense.  If it's a minor sprain... those extra 1 or 2 days could give the opportunity for the elbow to heal even more... maybe to the point he doesn't feel any pain.

 

9)  Like it or not, Buffalo DOES want (and would really benefit from) having the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs.  I think the players know that.  And I think McDermott does, too.

 

 

Not a betting man, but I'd put money on Josh playing on Sunday.

 

After rewatching him grabbing his arm, it looks like what you'd do to try and get feeling back in your arm after you hit your funny bone, not how you would grab it if it was in pain.

[RobbRiddick]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

oh...cool.  so where did you go to medical school gene?

I'm guessing it was in Miami

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I have destroyed my left ankle more than a few times, as well as a torn rotator cuff. I got this information directly from my Dr's.

 

The tear Allen had in 2018 is still there in some fashion.

 

The UCL is not used for throwing a football to any significant level. They only way he reinjures it is if he gets hit the same way throwing again.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Big Turk

[teef]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

Maybe my Dr's lied, if that makes you less upset.

and how about your residency?  st. doesn'texist?

[nucci]

11 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I think they should sit him at least for one game and let him heal up properly, but I’m sure he’ll be in the lineup on Sunday. Keep him limited. Like 10 posters pointed out, what’s the benefit of revealing his status? Belichick has done this same thing for years. Reveal it when he absolutely has to. The Vikings now have to prepare for 2 very different QBs. If Keenum DOES play however, if Tre white, Milano, and Poyer are active then we def have a fighting chance. Despite what the fools on this board believe, we have a strong roster when healthy that def capable of winning games on their own. This is a team sport. 

way overrated. Not that difficult. it's still the Bills offense. 

[34-78-83]

its a grade 1 sprain in all likelihood people! (yes technically that is a microscopic tear but not a "TORN UCL") My goodness with the lack of reading comprehension, WOW

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

oh...cool.  so the university of nowhere?  

 

Isn't this the nickname for Boston College?

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Isn't this the nickname for Boston College?

you better watch your mouth.

 

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, I understand this. What's annoying is ppl thinking rest will heal the ligament.

You seem kinda pissy today.

i have an opening and just wanted to bust your balls.

[transplantbillsfan]

35 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Definitely not playing.   It would probably be very dumb to risk a complete tear when you could let it heal and have him for the playoffs

 

What makes you think him playing really risks a complete tear that much?  From what I understand the injury happened because of the really awkward way his hand was held at the back of his throwing motion and it injured a part of the elbow that would affect baseball pitchers more than QBs.  And it seems if he's using different muscles and parts of his elbow while throwing there's not much risk of making the injury worse unless he gets hit in the exact same way, which is why you lean a little more on the run game, quick passes, and rolling pockets.

 

I wouldn't say "he's 100% playing," but I think the evidence suggests he's a lot more likely to play than not.  I don't understand the thought process of people like you who believe he's 100% not playing.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BillsBy50 said:

Against the tanking Commies, yes tell me more.

Did you see the Bills play in the 2nd half vs the Packers And the Jets game? It's not like the Bills are thriving on all cylinders. They made Zach Wilson look like a seasoned QB and the Jets WRs made nice short catches. The Jets running back thrashed the Bills too.  I'd dare to say the Kousins, Cook, Jefferson, and TJ are a much more daunting task. Add in no Allen and Bills injuries. That adds up to a difficult task for the Bills. Good thing is Bills play well at home, hoping some injuries guys return, and others step up because Allen is out. A better total team effort is needed because Keenum isn't going to win this game. Coaching and game planning will be crucial this game. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Ok, thought maybe you had like a prostate exam today or something.

how do you know i wouldn't come back happier?

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What makes you think him playing really risks a complete tear that much?  From what I understand the injury happened because of the really awkward way his hand was held at the back of his throwing motion and it injured a part of the elbow that would affect baseball pitchers more than QBs.  And it seems if he's using different muscles and parts of his elbow while throwing there's not much risk of making the injury worse unless he gets hit in the exact same way, which is why you lean a little more on the run game, quick passes, and rolling pockets.

 

I wouldn't say "he's 100% playing," but I think the evidence suggests he's a lot more likely to play than not.  I don't understand the thought process of people like you who believe he's 100% not playing.

Just the tendency of the coaching staff to be conservative with injuries,  I'd be very surprised if he played.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What makes you think him playing really risks a complete tear that much?  From what I understand the injury happened because of the really awkward way his hand was held at the back of his throwing motion and it injured a part of the elbow that would affect baseball pitchers more than QBs.  And it seems if he's using different muscles and parts of his elbow while throwing there's not much risk of making the injury worse unless he gets hit in the exact same way, which is why you lean a little more on the run game, quick passes, and rolling pockets.

 

I wouldn't say "he's 100% playing," but I think the evidence suggests he's a lot more likely to play than not.  I don't understand the thought process of people like you who believe he's 100% not playing.

I just think that the reporting on this has been pretty consistent from the beginning.

 

Rap and Mort said it was believed to be a minor strain Sunday night, and they expected limited practice participation and monitoring all week, but the plan has been to play through it all along.

 

I guess we could say McDermott has embellished “day to day” in the past, so I see at most he sits out this week and is back next week. 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

After rewatching him grabbing his arm, it looks like what you'd do to try and get feeling back in your arm after you hit your funny bone, not how you would grab it if it was in pain.

 

YES!!!!

 

This was another interesting thing after reading about and researching the injury a little.  One of the things that apparently could have happened based on the injury was essentially his nerve being pulled a little out of place, which results in that tingly funny bone feeling you just mentioned.  That was referred to as basically the best case scenario because it's something that goes away relatively quickly.

 

I think this guy has some of that explanation:

 

 

And some would ask "well if that's all it is, why isn't he practicing?"  Well... that might not be all it is.  But based on the way the injury looked I could see McDermott wanting to give Josh every single day he can this week to rest to make sure he's recovered as much as possible for Sunday's game.  Afterall, isn't Josh at the point in his career where he can miss practice during the work week and be good on gameday?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, teef said:

how do you know i wouldn't come back happier?

 

Why was 2019 afraid of 2020?

 

Because they had a fight and 2021.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why was 2019 afraid of 2020?

 

Because they had a fight and 2021.

god i hate you.

[Logic]

If for any reason Josh can't go this Sunday, you all know what we need to do.





That's right....we need to disarm the Vikings with good lucks and charm.





It's time to sound.....the Gibran Hamdan alarm!

[The Firebaugh Kid]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

If for any reason Josh can't go this Sunday, you all know what we need to do.





That's right....we need to disarm the Vikings with good lucks and charm.





It's time to sound.....the Gibran Hamdan alarm!

What's that handsome sumbitch up to these days?

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

To Clarify. The Bills will not be winning the Super Bowl with Case Kennum playing QB. We could add Aarron Donald and Derrick Henry to the team and we still would not win with Case Keenum.  

He could skate through some of these games with them. I didn't expect Frank Reich to win us a Super Bowl either. Josh could've used them against Jets too. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

god i hate you.

 

Josh Allen has "Stop Hate" on his helmet and you're going to say this to me?

[WideNine]

Queue up more of the quicker routes and the screen plays. Then commit to having more balance with the rush attempts that we have watched dwindle over the past few games with a preference towards forcing it downfield into those 2-deep looks.

 

Allen should be fine if he leans a bit more on the rest of his offensive weapons and they spread this out a bit better with their play selections.

Needed to happen any way to draw more defenders into the box and put some teeth into their play-action so Allen can get more of those intermediate or deeper singe-coverage match-ups that usually favor our receivers.

If the Bills pull off that offensive game plan, STOP turning it over, and plug those outside runs they have been giving up on D they turn this thing around.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

They won't win a Super Bowl without Josh. They can win a regular season game at home with Keenum.

They can't win with Keenum by putting the weight on his shoulders.  Keenum can't hurdle players, can't outrun LBs, can't throw 70 yd lasers, can't juke DBs. Keenum can't outplay Cousins. Keenum will need assistance!! 

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

What's that handsome sumbitch up to these days?

Unfortunately not taking 1st team reps for the Bills this week...

The internets say he runs his own fashion line and is married to the daughter of legendary NFL coach Bud Grant.

Also, presumably, causing women (and certain fellas) to faint wherever he goes.

[Greg S]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

They can't win with Keenum by putting the weight on his shoulders.  Keenum can't hurdle players, can't outrun LBs, can't throw 70 yd lasers, can't juke DBs. Keenum can't outplay Cousins. Keenum will need assistance!! 

 

Absolutely. The entire team will have to step up. Defense needs to bring its "A" game. The Bills need a strong performance running the ball with Singletary. Minnesota barely beat Washington last week. This is a second straight road game for them. The Vikings are good, but they are very beatable.

[Coach Tuesday]

32 minutes ago, teef said:

oh...cool.  so the university of nowhere?  

 

 

[Big Turk]

32 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, I understand this. What's annoying is ppl thinking rest will heal the ligament.

You seem kinda pissy today.

 

It will to a degree...although ligaments and tendons heal far slower than muscles due to much less blood flow to those areas.

 

But you are right in that it likely remains more likely to be injured:

 

https://research.cornell.edu/news-features/tendons-injuries-and-healing

 

"Once a tendon is injured, it almost never fully recovers,” says Nelly Andarawis-Puri, Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering. “You’re likely more prone to injury forever. Tendons are very soft tissues that regularly transmit very large forces to allow us to achieve basic motion. They insert into stiff bone, which is a huge property mismatch. That interface is very complex.”

 

Andarawis-Puri studies tendon injuries in an attempt to understand how wear and tear develops in the tendon and how to successfully heal the damage. “It’s a very real problem. Thirty percent of all people will have a tendon injury, and the risk is higher in women,” she says.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Big Turk

[msw2112]

11 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

What's that handsome sumbitch up to these days? (Gibran Hamdan)

 

Looks like he's an artist who does a variety of things, including promotional and sports-related art.  This name had not crossed my mind in a number of years.

 

https://gibran.com/

Edited November 9, 2022 by msw2112

[bills742]

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Maybe hold him out these week. Judging by the Injury report today Half the team will be out. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Maybe hold him out these week. Judging by the Injury report today Half the team will be out. 

Literally 2 people is half the team.   Go get your midol

[RobbRiddick]

11 minutes ago, bills742 said:

 

A really dark one that stands out too. He should have worn one of those fake tattoo sleeves to throw those reporters off the scent

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

They can't win with Keenum by putting the weight on his shoulders.  Keenum can't hurdle players, can't outrun LBs, can't throw 70 yd lasers, can't juke DBs. Keenum can't outplay Cousins. Keenum will need assistance!! 

 

I don't disagree with this, they definitely can't put it all on Keenum.  But we can win this game with Keenum.  The key to this game will be ball control.  The defense is going to need to get healthy as it can this week.  Hopefully Poyer and Milano are back, seems like Groot is likely out.  And if we can get Tre active for this game that would be great too, although not sure how well he will play in his first game back.  

 

But the D needs to limit the Vikings offense so Keenum and the offense can focus on ball control and moving the chains.  We won't be getting the chunk yardage we get with Allen.  We can't have regular 3rd and longs and expect to pick them up like we do with Allen.  I would love to see us utilizing multiple RB's in the passing game, Knox and Shakir on al lthe underneath stuff.  Just keep moving the chains.  

 

 

[Buffalo03]

9 minutes ago, bills742 said:

 

 

Josh with the Marty McFly hat

 

Bills Media: "Will you be out this week?"

 

Allen: "No"

 

Media "No?"

 

Allen: "yeah, what are you, deaf and stupid? I said no"

 

[transplantbillsfan]

16 minutes ago, bills742 said:

 

 

As he should and as I would expect him to for the rest of the year.

[newcam2012]

44 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What makes you think him playing really risks a complete tear that much?  From what I understand the injury happened because of the really awkward way his hand was held at the back of his throwing motion and it injured a part of the elbow that would affect baseball pitchers more than QBs.  And it seems if he's using different muscles and parts of his elbow while throwing there's not much risk of making the injury worse unless he gets hit in the exact same way, which is why you lean a little more on the run game, quick passes, and rolling pockets.

 

I wouldn't say "he's 100% playing," but I think the evidence suggests he's a lot more likely to play than not.  I don't understand the thought process of people like you who believe he's 100% not playing.

 

47 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, I understand this. What's annoying is ppl thinking rest will heal the ligament.

You seem kinda pissy today.

I'm fine with resting Allen. Get that body and mind of his healed up for the next winning streak. Stronger arms, legs, elbows, and mindset. 

[KHAN]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’m not even gonna bother asking about White.  Maybe he’ll be mentally ready to get out there by the road playoff game at KC.  

We need to stop this "Tre is afraid to play" narrative B___S___ right now.

[The Frankish Reich]

I was concerned about Keenum as the backup this year, and nothing has happened to change that. I’d feel much better with Trubisky. I think I just saw too much Keenum with the Broncos. It wasn’t pretty. He’s a standard issue veteran backup, but this team is extremely Allen-centric, and while Trubisky can kind of pull off the Homeless Man’s Josh (can run a little, throw on the run, etc), Keenum just can’t. 

Edited November 9, 2022 by The Frankish Reich