NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Apologies, think I've blanked that final FG from my mind!

 

Yeah, it was basically a pointless response from me because the point remains...this Bills O needs to be able to score more than 17 or 20 if they want to go places.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

do you see that’s NOT what I’m saying.  it would be 8 quarters at that point.  And I’m not saying bench him, I’m saying take him out for a quarter to reset if the first half bs Minny looks like his last 6 quarters.  Something is mentally off with him.  

You don’t just sit your QB1 when he’s Josh Allen no matter what. 

[Beast]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

how is he top 3 QB?.  mvp awards?   SB win?  Heck, SB appearance?   Right now, and that’s what matters, in the last 6 quarters he is bad.  If he has 2 more bad quarters, sit him for one to reset him.  He can be a top 3 QB, but right now he’s not 

🤡

[Gunsgoodtime]

Injuries has been devastating.  I never saw a week 3 injury report as bad as ours this year.  Its been that way ever since, injury after injury. 

[par73]

Bottom line--- what happened to the team that was the SB favorite, and beat KC and Baltimore on the road?

[WideNine]

This team has not been very sharp since the bye week.

 

There were some sloppy play and turnovers even before that, but some solid games too.

 

I think defenses are figuring out some ways to bottle up the offense that Dorsey likes to run and making the games more difficult.

 

We have shored up the soft middle of the DL we had last year, but now regularly give up chunks of rushing yards outside the tackles.

 

Nothing is a given in this league and this team needs to focus on improving their fundamentals and understand they are going to have to go out and win the hard way.

 

This is where McD has to step up and rally his coaches and the vets on the team lead by example.

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by WideNine

[Breakout Squad]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Eh.  It was a catch that a top WR in the NFL makes - a DeAndre Hopkins/OBJ type. 

 

But I don't think it would be scored as a drop by anyone rational.  The DB was draped all over him, Gabe was hand-fighting him to the OPI point, DB had one of his arms probably before the ball got there and Gabe couldn't haul it in but I wouldn't call it a drop.  The Zebras could have probably flagged DPI there, but then if Gabe had made it they would have had a legit case for OPI as well. 

 

The Zebras were letting that kind of thing play out all game.

Looked clean live and looked contested but they made it sound like it was a drop. Oh well doesn’t matter 

[Andy1]

Just burn the memory of this game.

Hopefully Josh’s right arm is not injured. 

[JDubya76]

12 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

yeah you can.  If the rut is that long.  Superster?   What has JA won that makes him a superster?  

100% Josh is absolutely not a superster. I don’t think he even knows what that means. That’s how far away from superster he is.

[Billsforumsucks]

Just now, par73 said:

Bottom line--- what happened to the team that was the SB favorite, and beat KC and Baltimore on the road?

Bye week

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 minutes ago, muppy said:

imo there were hands on Davis' jersey with body on body contact before the ball arrived but it was deemed a clean play incompleted pass.  I thought a flag could have been thrown but it reads on the board that I am in the minority there 

It was a penalty and should have been called.  The db holds him, doesn’t track the ball, and it impedes the ability to catch the ball. 

 

I understand the perspective that one call doesn’t win or lose a game, and the Jets were the better team today.   Still, when you’re not playing up to your standards, and things aren’t going right, it absolutely does not hurt when a call is made that should  be made regardless of what point of the game you are in. 
 

Luck matters in the game as well. 
 

 

[Breakout Squad]

1 minute ago, Dan said:

...after letting the Jets literally run rigjt over them with a drive starting at the 4yard line.  Yah they stopped them. But ever hear the expression.. too little too late. ??  
 

Color me officially concerned about our inability to stop the run.   We had chances to win, the offense and Josh struggled.  But in a tie game, mid 4th quarter, the defense collapsed.  

I get that but they didn’t allow a TD. They gave Allen more than enough time to get at least a FG. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Flucod said:

He was causing them to run away from him, essentially taking away part of the field, do you get it now?

And they continued to run between the tackles and away from his side after he was out of the game, just like they did when he was in there.  Your logic makes no sense.

[RunTheBall]

This game just exposed us to what we are - a team way over dependent on our QB to play lights out every single week. If Josh has an off day, we have no way to win. He’s getting no help from receivers outside of Diggs. The biggest problem, which stems from last year, is we have no will or ability to run the ball. Dorsey is pass happy, that’s obvious. I like the guy, but the play calling was abysmal given what we saw from Josh early on. You can tell real quick when Josh is on or not, and it was clear from the first drive he wasn’t on. That doesn’t mean running the triple option, it means calling plays with easy throws and catches to get him in rhythm. We refuse to do this. 

 

His only short option in the passing game is RBs. Idk if it’s because no one else is getting open, but Gabe sucks right now, Shakir is invisible, McKenzie is McKenzie, and where the F is KNOX?? If Josh doesn’t have a perfect game we are toast.

 

The Jets 100% deserved to win this game. We were outcoached, outplayed, out everything. Our superstar QB sucked but even the last throw of the game he hit Gabe between the 1 and the 3. MAKE A PLAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

 

You guys nailed the D. Yeah, we have a lot of injuries and Frazier is too stubborn but we only gave up 20 points. Should be able to win with that.

[Billsforumsucks]

Just now, Breakout Squad said:

Looked clean live and looked contested but they made it sound like it was a drop. Oh well doesn’t matter 

He had 2 hands on the ball and it bounced off his hands for the drop without Sauce interfering with the ball, IT WAS A FREAKIN DROP, I could make that catch. 

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, par73 said:

Bottom line--- what happened to the team that was the SB favorite, and beat KC and Baltimore on the road?

 

That's the frustrating part.  It's not like our wins were smoke and mirrors or "lucky" wins.  We had legit beat downs, close hard-fought games, etc...then 2 stinkers in the division.

[Jamone]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The league will allow us to win whatever games they see fit. It's been that way since the dawn of time.

Yeah it’s trash. This was the first instance this season and it’s disgusting. Point blank. Clearly land shart is a jets fan… 

[Ya Digg?]

6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

how is he top 3 QB?.  mvp awards?   SB win?  Heck, SB appearance?   Right now, and that’s what matters, in the last 6 quarters he is bad.  If he has 2 more bad quarters, sit him for one to reset him.  He can be a top 3 QB, but right now he’s not 

You are seriously suggesting sitting him? Man I love this message board after a loss-it is WILDLY entertaining the dumb things people say!!😂😂😂

[Eastport bills]

They should consider getting White back sooner than later. Also, if Frazier is a good DC, he should practice tackling and run defense because this team is getting run on at will, last 2 games.

[KeLLy1278]

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

did you miss his last throw of the game? The one that traveled farther than any other NFL throw in 6 years. He'll be fine

That means nothing.  He chucked the ball far.. great.  The best QBs don’t necessarily have the strongest arms.  The truth is that strong armed QBs get  themselves into trouble by forcing it a la Jeff George, Brett Fabre etc.  I saw Favre throw 7 ints in a playoff game once.

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, par73 said:

Bottom line--- what happened to the team that was the SB favorite, and beat KC and Baltimore on the road?

They played a run first team that has a great defense.  See the Titans game from last year or the Patriots game from last year.  Not that we can't win those games but the frequency in which we allow a loss/get beat in those games is frightening.

[TheWeatherMan]

Quesen(dingle)berry should never see the football field again.  

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Groot was injured...not sure if he came back in...ankle injury. ANOTHER ONE.

 

Fire the dude taping up ankles...this is ridiculous

Maybe they use the elastic wrap with those little metal pins.

[Breakout Squad]

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

🤡

Clowns are creepy. Knock it off 😂

[UKBillFan]

Just now, par73 said:

Bottom line--- what happened to the team that was the SB favorite, and beat KC and Baltimore on the road?

 

The defense was playing soft against the Packers because all we needed to do was not give away quick scores. Today we were down four key players - five once Rousseau went off.

The offense is the big question but sadly it shows how reliant we are on Josh. When his game is off we have no one to pick up the slack. And his game has been off since the fourth quarter last week.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

I hate the Jets and their fans. 
 

Thats all Im feeling right now. 

7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I thought Von was invisible in this game, save for a good play or 2.

 

I watch him a lot.  He doesn't even play defense; he is just a pass rush specialist.  

 

He tries his move, it fails 99% of the time (like everyone else's) and he is ridden out of the play and by then the ball is gone.  He then jogs at 1/4 speed toward the ball but almost never actually re-enters the play.

That's what he's basically doing, when he's actually on the field.  A lot of the time he is not.

 

Then suddenly he blows up a DE and gets a dramatic sack (none today) and the announcer says "Wow he's dominating out there!"

 

 

You know, I want to disagree with what you are saying. But it’s hard to. 

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Just now, Ya Digg? said:

You are seriously suggesting sitting him? Man I love this message board after a loss-it is WILDLY entertaining the dumb things people say!!😂😂😂

But just for one quarter like he’s some redshirt sophomore that missed curfew. It’s a spectacular galaxy brain take 

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

do you see that’s NOT what I’m saying.  it would be 8 quarters at that point.  And I’m not saying bench him, I’m saying take him out for a quarter to reset if the first half bs Minny looks like his last 6 quarters.  Something is mentally off with him.  

 

How does taking him out of the game help his mental game?

[ngbills]

17 minutes ago, Flucod said:

Hamlin was one of the few bright spots today, are you kidding. Might stop posting, too many that don’t know the game.

what was bright? The td run when get pushed back into end zone 10 yards? Or the missed tackles? A few good hits don’t cut it. He and Johnson are way too slow recognizing plays.  

[Old Coot]

I don't fault the D on this one.  Back 7 are really banged up and playing replacements.  Plus they gave up only 20 points.

 

This loss is on our offense.  For the second straight game the 2d half offensive performance has not been very good.  Josh seems to be less accurate than usual.  Your thoughts on why.  Is it poor mechanics? Good coverage?

 

 

[Billsforumsucks]

Edmunds actually had a good game for what’s it worth at this point.

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Quesen(dingle)berry should never see the football field again.  

 

I am not on board with blinding a man simply because he sucks at football!

[dancing_joker]

It’s one loss. Whatever. I’m far more concerned about Josh Allen’s elbow than anything else. That could be a season-changer 

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It was a penalty and should have been called.  The db holds him, doesn’t track the ball, and it impedes the ability to catch the ball. 

 

I understand the perspective that one call doesn’t win or lose a game, and the Jets were the better team today.   Still, when you’re not playing up to your standards, and things aren’t going right, it absolutely does not hurt when a call is made that should  be made regardless of what point of the game you are in. 
 

Luck matters in the game as well. 
 

 

 

I agree with your point that it looked like DPI, but it looked to me like there was a case for a pretty good push off by Gabe as well 🤷‍♂️

 

The Zebras either call that stuff or they don't.  Since they hadn't been calling that stuff earlier in the game, I can't beef that they didn't give Gabe the DPI there.

 

I was pretty unhappy about the hold.  I thought the Zebras weren't calling holding on the Jets OL all game so it was a pretty influential spot to start.

[Breakout Squad]

1 minute ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

But just for one quarter like he’s some redshirt sophomore that missed curfew. It’s a spectacular galaxy brain take 

Keenum does have a rapport with Diggs 😆

[Billz4ever]

Gabe disappears for long periods and is just not consistent.  Yeah, he makes some big plays, but I'd take consistency, which is what you need out a WR2, more than just a deep threat any day.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

This team has not been very sharp since the bye week.

 

There were some sloppy play and turnovers even before that, but some solid games too.

 

I think defenses are figuring out some ways to bottle up the offense that Dorsey likes to run and making the games more difficult.

 

We have shored up the soft middle of the DL we had last year, but now regularly give up chunks of rushing yards outside the tackles.

 

Nothing is a given in this league and this team needs to focus on improving their fundamentals and understand they are going to have to go out and win the hard way.

 

This is where McD has to step up and rally his coaches and the vets on the team lead by example.

 

 

 

 

It seems like after halftime whatever adjustments are being made are not being countered very well by Dorsey.

 

3 points the last two weeks in the second half each game.

 

Bills have moved the ball at will in the first halves and struggled in the second.

 

I think they'll get it figured out but it's frustrating.

[Roundybout]

Just now, Old Coot said:

I don't fault the D on this one.  Back 7 are really banged up and playing replacements.  Plus they gave up only 20 points.

 

This loss is on our offense.  For the second straight game the 2d half offensive performance has not been very good.  Josh seems to be less accurate than usual.  Your thoughts on why.  Is it poor mechanics? Good coverage?

 

 

 

I do! The Jets ran the ball nine times on their last drive and didn't even LOOK like they wanted to pass, and they still couldn't sniff a stop. 

[Mango]

25 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Maybe they should start gameplanning with someone other than Josh running the ball. This usually slows down the rush. They even went away from bubble screens and underneath throws. The Jets made adjustments at halftime and took away Josh runs. Every team we play will go to school on the they defended us.

Josh threw a terrible screen to McKenzie in the second half. We were lucky to get out of that without a huge loss.

 

I am not a huge footwork guy. But it looks like Josh’s drop back has been a lot wider/longer the last two weeks. Same with his base when he throws. Wasn’t that something he worked on his first two years as a rookie? Looks like it might be back.