Einstein Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Some interesting charts and metrics I found while perusing the interconnected network of web servers world wide. Gabe Davis chart for Week 5 could be summed as "Go Long - Score Touchdowns" While Stefon Diggs chart could be summed up as "Go everywhere - Do every thing". Moving over to PFF, Dawkins is leading the way in pass blocking, though all of our linemen have respectable pass blocking grades! From what I can tell, a 60 to 65 grade is about average (someone please correct me if i'm wrong). Things get a bit dicey in run blocking, though Knox shows his worth in the run game. You have to scroll down a bit further to get to the majority of the starting linemen, as their run grades are poor. Spencer Brown is the highest graded Bills linemen run blocker. When you look at all run-blockers in the NFL, he is the 196th. Lastly, here are the coverage grades for our top-20 defenders. Go Bills! Edited October 12, 2022 by Einstein 9 1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 I would think most right-handed QBs naturally favor the left side, no? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 interesting, I remember the old narrative was other teams wanted him to throw left because it was something he struggled with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Does it show how many throws are in each category? That would be interesting to see. Edited October 13, 2022 by MJS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I would think most right-handed QBs naturally favor the left side, no? you would think so, easier to rotate your hips naturally that way vs opening (adjusting his feet and rotating), then closing them when throwing to the right. Similar to how he's thrown a few bad passes to the right side to McKenzie vs Dolphins, Diggs vs Steelers and I think another time also. Edited October 12, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Good stuff. Another example of Josh identifying a weakness (throwing left) and turning it into a strength. The kid really is unbelievable. The talent, work ethic, intelligence, charisma. Damn. We are so friggin’ lucky I often have to pinch myself. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, MJS said: Does it show many throws are in each category? That would be interesting to see. I’d be interested to know that too… I thought that’s what the title referred to originally but mow I see it’s talking about passer rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Thanks to PFF I now know that Bobby Hart is our 2nd best OL 😳 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Thanks for posting. Saffold…. Lol. Oh man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Doesn’t have to be in first round, but I’m BEGGING Beane to draft multiple iOL next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Didn’t Saffold have a reputation for being a much better run blocker than pass blocker? What’s the issue here? We need 2 new OGs badly. Unless the plan is to move Bates back to LG next year once Saffold is gone. Edited October 12, 2022 by Bangarang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Saffold my god what a bust that signing was. We were better off keeping Williams at RG and Bates at LG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Siran Neal is the ultimate mainly special teams but great depth player. Ingram only got in over him cause they wanted to keep Siran fresh for teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Process said: Saffold my god what a bust that signing was. We were better off keeping Williams at RG and Bates at LG. Has he been that bad? I haven’t noticed. Which I thought was a good thing… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I’d be interested to know that too… I thought that’s what the title referred to originally but mow I see it’s talking about passer rating. Does make me wonder whether there is enough data to be anywhere near statistically significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Defenses are making a concerted effort to keep him from getting outside the pocket to his right, where he's absolutely deadly. During games, watch how LDE's are playing a contain game and not getting too far upfield. Allen has handled their adjustment like a pro. 7 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Siran registered 4 (four!) passes defensed v the Steelers Edited October 12, 2022 by Charles Romes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 46 minutes ago, DJB said: Thanks to PFF I now know that Bobby Hart is our 2nd best OL 😳 Checks out with what I saw in preseason. 3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Siran registered 4 (four!) passes defensed v the Steelers He was manned up on Claypool, who is a poor route runner. Neal can match up to Chase physically since he will round his cuts and doesn't separate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Siran registered 4 (four!) passes defensed v the Steelers It may have even been 5. And they all came in about a single 6 minute stretch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Simon said: Defenses are making a concerted effort to keep him from getting outside the pocket to his right, where he's absolutely deadly. During games, watch how LDE's are playing a contain game and not getting too far upfield. Allen has handled their adjustment like a pro. Looks like the adjustment to the soft rushes from DL's, who are getting the arms up and batting passes down, is to just throw it really really far instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Looks like the adjustment to the soft rushes from DL's, who are getting the arms up and batting passes down, is to just throw it really really far instead. Yeah, if they're going to play that game then they can deal with what happens when he has an extra second to let routes develop. Y'all have fun covering 30,000 sq ft of field for 4 1/2 seconds. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Some interesting charts and metrics I found while perusing the interconnected network of web servers world wide. Gabe Davis chart for Week 5 could be summed as "Go Long - Score Touchdowns" While Stefon Diggs chart could be summed up as "Go everywhere - Do every thing". Moving over to PFF, Dawkins is leading the way in pass blocking, though all of our linemen have respectable pass blocking grades! From what I can tell, a 60 to 65 grade is about average (someone please correct me if i'm wrong). Things get a bit dicey in run blocking, though Knox shows his worth in the run game. You have to scroll down a bit further to get to the majority of the starting linemen, as their run grades are poor. Spencer Brown is the highest graded Bills linemen run blocker. When you look at all run-blockers in the NFL, he is the 196th. Lastly, here are the coverage grades for our top-20 defenders. Go Bills! Damn Diggs goes all over the place. As I have said for a very long time... we dont need some star running back. We need an Oline that can run block. Our line is terrible at run blocking. They are good at pass blocking outside of some plays here and there where there is a complete whif. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Process said: Saffold my god what a bust that signing was. We were better off keeping Williams at RG and Bates at LG. Huh, maybe. Not sure, but, maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Has he been that bad? I haven’t noticed. Which I thought was a good thing… He hasn't exactly been spectacular. He's wiffed on some stuff and been flat out beaten on other reps. As it stands right now tho, he and Dawkins are their most consistent OL. Others have mentioned him but I really wonder what's up with Daryl Williams. I'd say he and Saffold are about even yet Williams is still a free agent. I wonder if there are injury issues we don't know about or something. OL play across the league is always poopy to start the season so you'd think an experienced and versatile guy like Williams would get picked up somewhere but as far as I've seen he's still unsigned. Edited October 13, 2022 by blacklabel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Others have mentioned him but I really wonder what's up with Daryl Williams. I'd say he and Saffold are about even yet Williams is still a free agent. I wonder if there are injury issues we don't know about or something. OL play across the league is always poopy to start the season so you'd think an experienced and versatile guy like Williams would get picked up somewhere but as far as I've seen he's still unsigned. Williams retired https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-tackle-daryl-williams-retires/ Now that's not saying he wouldn't un-retire if someone piled up the right number of dollars, but he's apparently not stumping for a gig Edited October 13, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I don't see Moss's name in Pass Blocking or Run blocking!! Go Bills ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: you would think so, easier to rotate your hips naturally that way vs opening (adjusting his feet and rotating), then closing them when throwing to the right. Yes. It's also why people have said for years that Allen is more effective scrambling right than left. And that's what it is incredible about Mahomes. Because of his almost endless throwing motion variations, he can scramble left and throw right with accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Einstein said: Some interesting charts and metrics I found while perusing the interconnected network of web servers world wide. Go Bills! Remember all the angst about Tyrod Taylor not throwing effectively in that middle zone? People were obsessed with Tyrod killing the Bills because his numbers over the middle were low. Edited October 13, 2022 by Shaw66 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Remember all the angst about Tyrod Taylor not throwing effectively in that middle zone? People were obsessed with Tyrod killing the Bills because his numbers over the middle were low. For Tyrod, it wasn't the whole middle. He hit the short middle just fine. It was the intermediate and long middle. More, I believe Next Gen divides up those three zones at the hashes. Which means there are generally small sample numbers in the intermediate and long areas between the hashes. It looked to me like Tyrod's weak performance in the intermediate and long areas when far further towards the sidelines than the hashes. So I went one year and divided the field in equal thirds and charted it. Tyrod was really very good from the numbers out, and just a couple of yards inside them. But basically in the middle half of the field, a bit more, really, Tyrod was quite weak at intermediate and long distances. I could do the same to Josh, but I won't, because he doesn't look weak anywhere special to me. I like NextGen, but their middle of the field numbers are often very small because the targets there are often so low beyond 20 yards and between the hashes. It's not a large part of the field. Just looking quickly at all five of Josh's games on NextGen, Allen has only thrown two passes there. Not a large sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 hours ago, MJS said: Does it show many throws are in each category? That would be interesting to see. Yes it would be interesting and no it doesn't show, that I've been able to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Now do Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Well Josh don't throw 10 yards down the field right up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 There is a very real trend that Josh's passing toward the right is sometimes (certainly not always) not as good as when he's throwing to the left. He missed two wide open receivers in the end zone toward the right against Pittsburgh, and if he'd hit McKenzie on a pass toward the right on the last play against Miami the Bills would be undefeated. I view this as just something for Allen to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Siran registered 4 (four!) passes defensed v the Steelers It might have been my favorite storyline of the game. Siran Neal comes off the bench just to play out the clock and casually shuts down all of his targets in coverage while clearly enjoying every second of it. He was so pissed when he dropped that interception. I love seeing that fire from a guy that almost never sees the field on defense and was playing on completely meaningless drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Ralonzo said: Looks like the adjustment to the soft rushes from DL's, who are getting the arms up and batting passes down, is to just throw it really really far instead. I've seen several people point out that deep opportunities were there against the Ravens and Allen didn't even look at them. Clearly it was a point of emphasis in the week leading up to the Steelers - forget trying to beat their cover 2 safeties with quick short passes, just throw it over their heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Einstein said: Some interesting charts and metrics I found while perusing the interconnected network of web servers world wide. Gabe Davis chart for Week 5 could be summed as "Go Long - Score Touchdowns" While Stefon Diggs chart could be summed up as "Go everywhere - Do every thing". Moving over to PFF, Dawkins is leading the way in pass blocking, though all of our linemen have respectable pass blocking grades! From what I can tell, a 60 to 65 grade is about average (someone please correct me if i'm wrong). Things get a bit dicey in run blocking, though Knox shows his worth in the run game. You have to scroll down a bit further to get to the majority of the starting linemen, as their run grades are poor. Spencer Brown is the highest graded Bills linemen run blocker. When you look at all run-blockers in the NFL, he is the 196th. Lastly, here are the coverage grades for our top-20 defenders. Go Bills! That Diggs out an up route was nasty and he had Wallace beat by 5 yards and would've been a 67 yard td but Allen checked down to Q Morris for 26. He also missed Diggs on the in an out for a 20 yard td Diggs had Wallace turned around 4 hours ago, Beck Water said: Williams retired https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-tackle-daryl-williams-retires/ Now that's not saying he wouldn't un-retire if someone piled up the right number of dollars, but he's apparently not stumping for a gig I really liked D Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: For Tyrod, it wasn't the whole middle. He hit the short middle just fine. It was the intermediate and long middle. More, I believe Next Gen divides up those three zones at the hashes. Which means there are generally small sample numbers in the intermediate and long areas between the hashes. It looked to me like Tyrod's weak performance in the intermediate and long areas when far further towards the sidelines than the hashes. So I went one year and divided the field in equal thirds and charted it. Tyrod was really very good from the numbers out, and just a couple of yards inside them. But basically in the middle half of the field, a bit more, really, Tyrod was quite weak at intermediate and long distances. I could do the same to Josh, but I won't, because he doesn't look weak anywhere special to me. I like NextGen, but their middle of the field numbers are often very small because the targets there are often so low beyond 20 yards and between the hashes. It's not a large part of the field. Just looking quickly at all five of Josh's games on NextGen, Allen has only thrown two passes there. Not a large sample. Thanks for this. Interesting that NexGen takes that approach. It makes their numbers not very useful. I too am not worried about Josh's "problem" in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art in PNS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 12 hours ago, WMDman said: interesting, I remember the old narrative was other teams wanted him to throw left because it was something he struggled with That was making him scramble to his left to throw , scrambling to his right he’s deadly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 12 hours ago, Simon said: Defenses are making a concerted effort to keep him from getting outside the pocket to his right, where he's absolutely deadly. During games, watch how LDE's are playing a contain game and not getting too far upfield. Allen has handled their adjustment like a pro. My thoughts exactly. The last few years, whenever Allen broke the pocket and rolled right, it almost always meant a big passing play downfield. This year, teams are clearly making an effort to keep him from rolling that way. It is making absolutely no difference, and Allen is actually having the best start of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: I've seen several people point out that deep opportunities were there against the Ravens and Allen didn't even look at them. Clearly it was a point of emphasis in the week leading up to the Steelers - forget trying to beat their cover 2 safeties with quick short passes, just throw it over their heads. Rain and wind will do that a bit & pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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