Warriorspikes51 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, brianthomas said: On paper or in the Madden video game, CMC or Saquon make a ton of sense. But in the real world i can't see making a commitment to 2 oft-injured RB's in a blockbuster trade, mortgaging high draft picks on them before the trade deadline. I just dont think its the answer here. We havent even made a commitment to run with the rb's we have now when its been successful. I'd rather spend the draft capital on shoring up our oline & drafting a rb on a cost controlled deal who can be the guy going forward. I don’t disagree, but CMC or Saquon simply being on the field could help our passing game. Especially the deep throws. Defenses are not concerned about Devin Singletary enough to drop a safety into the box Edited October 9, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 The Rams traded two 2nd round picks for the rental of Von Miller. That worked out pretty well for them. I don't know if I'd do it for a RB with our O-line though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 hours ago, H2o said: Not buying it. No way Bean moves a 1st for a RB. He spent a 2nd on James Cook. It's not that far-fetched. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Someone tweeted at Joe Buscaglia claiming to have a source in the building at OBD that we are going to be making a blockbuster trade sending our 1st for an RB IF that were true, what do you guys think? 1st, Moss for Saquon Barkley, 4th 1st, Moss for Christian McCaffrey my darkhorse would be Dalvin Cook does anyone know if $ can be retained on a deal? Or how does that work I have a source as well who says this is not true. We'll see who's right. 😆 2 minutes ago, RangerDave said: The Rams traded two 2nd round picks for the rental of Von Miller. That worked out pretty well for them. I don't know if I'd do it for a RB with our O-line though. It's our backs not the line. 2 hours ago, H2o said: Not buying it. No way Bean moves a 1st for a RB. Would you trade two thirds and a second? Because that's what he's spent with picks for nothing (too early for Cook but early returns are non existent.) 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: The only thing any team should trade a first for is a QB or a pass rusher. Full stop. We traded our first for Diggs... so was that a bad trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 I hope Beane can find a creative way to add CMC or Saquon and OBJ. Surround Allen with as many weapons as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Just what we need to get back to our old winning formula of run, run, pass from the 2000's or we could just use em as really expensive decoys in the backfield. These post always make perfect sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Here me out 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: The only thing any team should trade a first for is a QB or a pass rusher. Full stop. Hello says Mr Diggs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 OBJ would help our run game too and no draft pick. The defense would have to deal with way too much. LB, CB, safeties would be stressed, unable to support run D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: Hello says Mr Diggs Oh yeah, elite WR or pass catching TE too. Just not RB, especially an injury prone one due for a huge payday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: sending a 1st round pick for a RB.... We're getting Blackshear back!!!! WOOHOO!!! Blackshear! Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Sources tell me Bills are tired of losing to Mahomes in the playoffs. Bills are trading for him to bench him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 56 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I am not saying we are making a trade, I was just pointing out, the trade is more doable than people realize because they are grossly inaccurate on the real cap hits. One one thing I have learned is to NEVER count out Beane's ability to be creative with the cap to get the players here he wants and to retain the players here he wants to keep. He has proven to me that he without question is amongst the best in the business in working contracts to work with our cap. Something people are also over looking...the possibility and probability that Carolina will likely have to pay part of CMC's salary to trade him. They won't save a ton off their cap, but will get his numbers off the books in future seasons. And why would Car do that? Because they are desperate for draft picks. They only have 4 draft picks in 2023, including no 3rd and 5 picks in 2024 including no 4th. They are staring down a major rebuild essentially without the ammo to do it. So the higher value of CMC to Carolina right now is not on the field where its not helping them win games...but in moving him for pick(s) to help with the rebuild. So for me...anyone looking at the "cap" as the road block to a CMC trade doesn't really understand his cap hit and the options that are possible. But more importantly, they are grossly overlooking Beane's abiltiy to figure that out when its for someone he wants on this football team. None of this means we are trading for Beane, just means the "cap" panic around here is being over stated and not as unsurmountable as many think it is. yes absolutely. The cap is largely BS, especially for good teams with players that want to stick around. The salary cap is just “accounting” as some insider put it before this season started. 💯 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Here me out I'm listening... Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I fell like Beane will pull a trade or two but don’t see him trading any 1-3 round picks. Not a wise move with all the big salaries we are paying now. McCafrey or Saquan for a 4th and a player is what I’m thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, wppete said: I fell like Beane will pull a trade or two but don’t see him trading any 1-3 round picks. Not a wise move with all the big salaries we are paying now. McCafrey or Saquan for a 4th and a player is what I’m thinking. if either of them can be had for a 4th or lower sure sign me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: if either of them can be had for a 4th or lower sure sign me up They can't. Pipe dream. Sanu went for a 2nd rounder a couple years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said: They can't. Pipe dream. Sanu went for a 2nd rounder a couple years ago. i’m not saying it’s in any way feasible but if it was sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Perk71 said: I'm listening... Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 If the Bills trade a 1st for a RB it means they won’t waste it on 1st round RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, motorj said: Just what we need to get back to our old winning formula of run, run, pass from the 2000's or we could just use em as really expensive decoys in the backfield. These post always make perfect sense Stop it, we did it once Sunday and I was furious, don't bring this garbage back into our world, some of us are sensitive after 17 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Someone tweeted at Joe Buscaglia claiming to have a source in the building at OBD that we are going to be making a blockbuster trade sending our 1st for an RB IF that were true, what do you guys think? 1st, Moss for Saquon Barkley, 4th 1st, Moss for Christian McCaffrey my darkhorse would be Dalvin Cook does anyone know if $ can be retained on a deal? Or how does that work According to my eyes, our line is horrible at run blocking. According to PFF, we have the worst run blocking team. I know people like to automatically blame the running backs, but the line is not doing them any favors. P.S. Josh makes them look better than they actually are in pass blocking. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: He spent a 2nd on James Cook. It's not that far-fetched. Imagine what we could have gotten with a 1st round pick. 3 minutes ago, Peter said: According to my eyes, our line is horrible at run blocking. According to PFF, we have the worst run blocking team. I know people like to automatically blame the running backs, but the line is not doing them any favors. P.S. Josh makes them look better than they actually are in pass blocking. Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, mrags said: Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are I’m not sure that is possible… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsM@fia Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I don't know why people think the Daboll/Giants are going to give up Barkley. Maybe I missed something. The way I see it, they are 3-1 with a weak schedule. When the trade deadline approaches, they are likely to be in the mix for a wildcard spot. I don't see why they would trade their entire offense. Daboll makes the playoffs his first year as a coach, he gets a lot of breathing room (see McDermott 2017). 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, mrags said: Imagine what we could have gotten with a 1st round pick. Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are. There is not a RB that i would trade elam for at this point. Edited October 9, 2022 by FrenchConnection 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I’m not sure that is possible… Are you positive? Because our RBs are absolutely horrendous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, mrags said: Imagine what we could have gotten with a 1st round pick. Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are. I don't see a lot of room to run. An example from last year: we needed to convert a fourth and one against the Titans at the end of the game. Our line got crushed. In particularly, our supposed best lineman (Dawkins) got blown up. That play was one of the most important plays last year as it turns out. You could pretty much insert any of the top RBs in the history of the NFL behind this line and they would perform worse than they otherwise would. I am not saying we have a bunch of all pros at RB, but the line has performed worse and limits any potential our RBs have. As I wrote in the post above, PFF ranks us dead last in run blocking with a grade of 47.5. To put that in perspective, KC has the top grade with 77.6 and the team ranked 16 is Detroit with 59.2. P.S. I know some have issues with PFF's grades and grading, but they have us dead last. Not in the top five or top half or stop 3/4. We are dead last. Not a recipe for success. And that is with one of the better offensive line coaches in the NFL. Edited October 9, 2022 by Peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: There is not a RB that i would trade a elam for at this point. Normally I’d agree with you. But Dane Jackson has looked like a legit #2. And Benford was had for less than a family size pack of skittles in comparison. I’d rather go with that and a stud RB but that’s just me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 They will have a bunch of assets after trading Allen. So it won't seem like that much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax09 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Someone tweeted at Joe Buscaglia claiming to have a source in the building at OBD that we are going to be making a blockbuster trade sending our 1st for an RB IF that were true, what do you guys think? 1st, Moss for Saquon Barkley, 4th 1st, Moss for Christian McCaffrey my darkhorse would be Dalvin Cook does anyone know if $ can be retained on a deal? Or how does that work I wouldn’t be surprised. Window is closing. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said: Sources tell me Bills are tired of losing to Mahomes in the playoffs. Bills are trading for him to bench him. I did this back in the day on some football game. Took the players I hated them and put them on my practice squad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, mrags said: Are you positive? Because our RBs are absolutely horrendous I’m pretty sure the run blocking from Guard to Guard can’t be much worse. And it’s not a good sign for the running game when it is legitimate debate about who is worse, the RBs or the line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, Peter said: I don't see a lot of room to run. An example from last year: we needed to convert a fourth and one against the Titans at the end of the game. Our line got crushed. In particularly, our supposed best lineman (Dawkins) got blown up. That play was one of the most important plays last year as it turns out. You could pretty much insert any of the top RBs in the history of the NFL behind this line and they would perform worse than they otherwise would. I am not saying we have a bunch of all pros at RB, but the line has performed worse and limits any potential our RBs have. As I wrote in the post above, PFF ranks us dead last in run blocking with a grade of 47.5. To put that in perspective, KC has the top grade with 77.6 and the team ranked 16 is Detroit with 59.2. P.S. I know some have issues with PFF's grades and grading, but they have us dead last. Not in the top five or top half or stop 3/4. We are dead last. Not a recipe for success. And that is with one of the better offensive line coaches in the NFL. Good players make things happen. Our RBs aren’t good. End of story 35 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I’m pretty sure the run blocking from Guard to Guard can’t be much worse. And it’s not a good sign for the running game when it is legitimate debate about who is worse, the RBs or the line Yeah I know. It’s a terrible sign for the running game. Maybe if we had some actual NFL RBs we might actually be able to actually have a running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I get the running back part, but in some cases like CMC if Carolina is eating a lot of the money it’s not the worst idea. I highly doubt he’s worth a 1st rounder right now though. I don’t see how they maneuver the cap mid season to fit any contract of significance in though. I know they can free some space up, but I don’t think that’s something they’re gonna unless it’s an emergency. There was a report by Jason LA Canfora that said he has heard rumblings that if the Panthers keep losing and are 1-6 at the deadline that Matt Rhule gets fired and they trade McCaffrey and eat over $20 million of his salary to make it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm not giving a first for "an" RB What if you sound out the letters R-B rather than saying "running back?" Does that sway you at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: There was a report by Jason LA Canfora that said he has heard rumblings that if the Panthers keep losing and are 1-6 at the deadline that Matt Rhule gets fired and they trade McCaffrey and eat over $20 million of his salary to make it happen. NFL teams are allowed to retain salary in trades? I thought that was just a hockey thing to lower cap hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get where you are coming from...but GM's don't (and shouldn't) think that way. I am not even talking about the RB spot or if we will or not make a trade. In general, the goal is to win a SB...what we have or haven't used draft picks on prior to today has no relevance to what they see today as a need to upgrade to increase our chances for a SB. And we already know Beane doesn't think like this because if he did he wouldn't have used a 2nd round pick on a DE one year and then the next used a 1st and a 2nd back to back again on DE. Same with RB...he is taken a RB in 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd rounds in each of the last 3 drafts. You do what you need to do until you have filled that hole the way you wanted to. Now none of this means we are making a trade, I don't know how McD and Beane feel about the RB position here right now. What I do know is that they are not using our personnel correctly thus far...too few rush attempts for our best RB in Devin, too many snaps for Moss, and not enough opportunities for Cook. Before I would make a trade, I would make Moss inactive, give Devin 15 carries and cook 5-7 targets in a game and see what they do with them. Because Devin has been effective consistently when given chances his whole career, but they keep forcing this 2 headed non-sense with Moss who is inferior to Devin in every facet of the game. And Cook has not been give much chance to shine yet other than garbage time against Titans where he did pretty well. But that is also because he fumbled his first snap and then dropped an easy pass too. But let the kid get some rhythm and confidence before we know if we need to make a trade. I get what you’re saying…sunk cost fallacy, etc..but my point is that you just drafted a guy high who’s expected to bring McCaffrey-like skills to the table and you’re going to cut bait before you even give him a chance? That makes no sense, and there’s no way Beane does it, especially at RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: NFL teams are allowed to retain salary in trades? I thought that was just a hockey thing to lower cap hits. It was part of the report. I don't know if it can actually happen or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I heard the Bills are trading for Aaron Rodgers from cashier at my grocery store which is a self checkout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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