Beck Water Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 https://www.buffalobills.com/video/sean-mcdermott-improving-our-level-of-play Muki Hawkins asks McDermott, "what are some of the things that you're looking to see out of your team this week, that you didn't see Week 1?" McDermott says "Well I think we need to exhibit more discipline than we did a week ago, I think that's important" Then he goes all generic: "and just continue to improve on our level of play in all areas" (that Kaizen Jordan Poyer talked about - McD even sketched a graph with his hand) I had the impression that Muki caught McDermott giving a rare candid answer instead of boilerplate (of course the boilerplate followed) What do you thnk McDermott meant by that? What specifically does he want to see the team be more disciplined about? Penalties? Taunting? Josh getting down instead of putting his shoulder down? Gap integrity against the run? The Bills had 5 penalties in the game: DH on Phillips (5); DH on Taron Johnson (5) - this was on 3rd and 10 and gave them a 1st down; False Start on Saffold (3rd & 2 became 3rd & 7, converted); False Start on Spencer Brown (1st and 10 became 1st and 15); Taunting on Dane Jackson after his INT (moved starting at LA 22 to LA 37) Then of course the league fined Diggs for taunting Ramsey, implying they believe it should have been a penalty. Over to you, Bills Fans 🎤 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 He wants less threads being made during game time. It’s been a TBD rule for about a decade. 1 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Turnovers probably. You can't have four of them and expect to win on a weekly basis. 4 24 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Maybe the trash talking and taunting? 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Turnovers and penalties 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Well it would be nice if they didn’t fumble so much and we did pick up penalties for taunting 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Well it would be nice if they didn’t fumble so much and we did pick up penalties for taunting Mystery solved! Well done! 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Mystery solved! Well done! I would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids. 🤪 This isn’t rocket science, we may have won by three scores, but you can’t win most games when you turn the ball over that much. Moss and Cook, GO SLEEP with that BALL! Where you go, the ball goes. You guys think I’m kidding. Old school Cougin made Barber when he was a fumbler literally carry the ball everywhere when in the building and made him take it home. Other players would try to punch it out. It worked and he had very good control of the ball on the second half of his career. He told this story years ago on one of the shows he was on. I can’t remember which. Allen three one legit pick, but McKenzie has to secure that ball when his number is called. I don’t blame McD for being upset. It’s what he should say even in a win. Tomorrow night, we can clean that up and get rid of the jitters. If we didn’t play our starters a bit in preseason, we could’ve looked as sloppy as some teams in week 1. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Taunting Dumb penalties come to mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Allen did miss like 4 passes, gotta clean that up. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 NFL hands out over $54,000 in fines for unsportsmanlike conduct, taunting from Week 1 Buffalo Bills' Stefon Diggs was fined $10,609 for taunting Los Angeles Rams' Jalen Ramsey after his 53-yard touchdown in the season opener. Dane Jackson, of the Buffalo Bills, was given a $4,972 fine for taunting https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-hands-out-54000-fines-unsportsmanlike-conduct-taunting-week-1 I liked taunting Ramsey for what goes around comes around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, AlfaBill said: Maybe the trash talking and taunting? This, it’s the act like you’ve been there before thing, and the turnovers, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ALF said: NFL hands out over $54,000 in fines for unsportsmanlike conduct, taunting from Week 1 Buffalo Bills' Stefon Diggs was fined $10,609 for taunting Los Angeles Rams' Jalen Ramsey after his 53-yard touchdown in the season opener. Dane Jackson, of the Buffalo Bills, was given a $4,972 fine for taunting https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-hands-out-54000-fines-unsportsmanlike-conduct-taunting-week-1 I liked taunting Ramsey for what goes around comes around I'm almost surprised they didn't fine Josh for running down the field and screaming in his face for about 3 seconds when he got to Ramsey. He stared him down the whole time. I'm fine with Stef talking to him about it. Ramsey's mouth continually writes checks his you know what can't cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 I'm sure he is talking about the turnovers, specifically the running back fumbles. Cook fumbles on his first ever carry. Moss fumbles later on. It's hard to win games if you turn it over 4 times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Turnovers and probably the taunting penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Not having JA run 10x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Mystery solved! Well done! I always wondered why Velma was forced to go with Shaggy and Scooby so Fred and Daphne could have their "alone time"... 43 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm sure he is talking about the turnovers, specifically the running back fumbles. Cook fumbles on his first ever carry. Moss fumbles later on. It's hard to win games if you turn it over 4 times. Cool is in pretty good company with fumbles on his first carry... LT, CMc and some other really good players I heard them say also did that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 The coaches maintained poor spacing on the sidelines. They also did not clap enough. I’m sure they will get this straightened out before Monday. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Well it would be nice if they didn’t fumble so much and we did pick up penalties for taunting And TACKLING!! Lots of missed tackles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Beck Water said: McDermott says "Well I think we need to exhibit more discipline than we did a week ago, I think that's important" Taunting, It is something under control by players. Interceptions can be caused by opponents good play and both sides are paid to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Did the Bills incur penalties during the game for taunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 My thoughts All of the above Fumbling (it has got to stop tuff to win in this league if you have 4 turnovers in a game) Trash talk (or bulling basucally grow up we are better than them and act your age.) Penalties (although it was a low number it still gives the other team a first down and puts our team in a hole.) And yes tackling. (MOSTLY BECAUSE THE D HAD LITTLE PRESEASON WORK.) 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 I don’t think turnovers have to do with discipline. That’s more so taunting and penalties imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 clapping along in unison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 It's got to be teabagging DBs after the tackle, surely. Oh, and turnovers and penalties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: And TACKLING!! Lots of missed tackles I actually thought they did a pretty good job in that area there were a lot of open field tackles that the bills made that if they miss would’ve went for more yardsI Edited September 18, 2022 by John from Riverside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 McDermott knows he has the best team in the NFL. He also knows if the Bills lose in the playoffs it will be 1 or a combination of the following: 1) Injuries (hard to control) 2) Turnovers (lack of discipline) 3) Poor Tackling (lack of discipline) 4) Stupid Penalties (lack of discipline) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailgateChef Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Bass' out of bounds kickoff also showed a lack of discipline, I would say. I know it irked many of us watching from home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Comebackkid said: Seriously? Yes. I thought the play was fairly disciplined as a team. There were errors, of course, but they don't seem like errors of discipline except for the taunting penalty. The fumbles and one of the INTs are individuals "failing to take care of the football", would you call that a "lack of discipline"? I would call it lack of execution or poor execution. 2 minutes ago, TailgateChef said: Bass' out of bounds kickoff also showed a lack of discipline, I would say. I know it irked many of us watching from home. How is that lack of discipline? Lack of execution, yes, but what makes it lack of discipline to you? Edited September 18, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 All of the Above is the correct answer. Penalties, Turnovers, and whatever else was not perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: McDermott knows he has the best team in the NFL. He also knows if the Bills lose in the playoffs it will be 1 or a combination of the following: 1) Injuries (hard to control) 2) Turnovers (lack of discipline) 3) Poor Tackling (lack of discipline) 4) Stupid Penalties (lack of discipline) Perhaps I don't understand what "lack of discipline" means to McDermott (or to you). The only one of those I see as lack of discipline is 4) and perhaps 1) Fumbles/double clutched catch and tackling and a kickoff OOB are IMO failures of execution. I say 1) injuries could be a lack of discipline because if Josh continues to run and fails to protect himself by getting down, or fails to just throw it away in the face of a Jailbreak, he risks more injury IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Taunting Dumb penalties come to mind When the League doesn’t clearly define it, it’s impossible to learn from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 "Do not turn over the ball" flavor of discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 8 hours ago, AlfaBill said: Maybe the trash talking and taunting? That's what I'm thinking, that with it showing up in the media (Josh teabagging) and fines that weren't penalized, the coaches are saying "dial it back guys" On the other hand, there's that "mic'd up" scene vs Chargers where McD tells the ref he'll talk to Josh, goes over and tells him "one more and you're out of the game, that's all I came to say" "Yessir" and then as he walks away "love the swagger though". Seems like at best, a mixed message. I guess that message has to be "be smart with your swagger, keep it short of a penalty" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Beck Water said: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/sean-mcdermott-improving-our-level-of-play Muki Hawkins asks McDermott, "what are some of the things that you're looking to see out of your team this week, that you didn't see Week 1?" McDermott says "Well I think we need to exhibit more discipline than we did a week ago, I think that's important" Then he goes all generic: "and just continue to improve on our level of play in all areas" (that Kaizen Jordan Poyer talked about - McD even sketched a graph with his hand) I had the impression that Muki caught McDermott giving a rare candid answer instead of boilerplate (of course the boilerplate followed) What do you thnk McDermott meant by that? What specifically does he want to see the team be more disciplined about? Penalties? Taunting? Josh getting down instead of putting his shoulder down? Gap integrity against the run? The Bills had 5 penalties in the game: DH on Phillips (5); DH on Taron Johnson (5) - this was on 3rd and 10 and gave them a 1st down; False Start on Saffold (3rd & 2 became 3rd & 7, converted); False Start on Spencer Brown (1st and 10 became 1st and 15); Taunting on Dane Jackson after his INT (moved starting at LA 22 to LA 37) Then of course the league fined Diggs for taunting Ramsey, implying they believe it should have been a penalty. Over to you, Bills Fans 🎤 Hold onto the ball, cut down turnovers and penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Perhaps I don't understand what "lack of discipline" means to McDermott (or to you). The only one of those I see as lack of discipline is 4) and perhaps 1) Fumbles/double clutched catch and tackling and a kickoff OOB are IMO failures of execution. I say 1) injuries could be a lack of discipline because if Josh continues to run and fails to protect himself by getting down, or fails to just throw it away in the face of a Jailbreak, he risks more injury IMO. Turnovers are usually a lack of discipline. Players don't hold the ball correctly. It is sloppy. Poor tackling is all a lack of discipline. It is sloppy. Poor Execution is viewed more as not catching a ball, running the wrong route, or missing a block. It isn't sloppy, it is just poor execution. It really comes down to how you view sloppy play. Is it poor execution or guys not being disciplined? It could be viewed as either or both. McDermott is just basically saying the team needs to tighten things up in all phases of the game. Edited September 18, 2022 by Bills2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Cool is in pretty good company with fumbles on his first carry... LT, CMc and some other really good players I heard them say also did that as well. I'm sure there were plenty of bad players with a fumble on their first carry. Can't look at that as a predictor of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Turnovers and probably the taunting penalties You can lose the "probably". 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Did the Bills incur penalties during the game for taunting? They had 1 and could have easily had 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, StHustle said: I don’t think turnovers have to do with discipline. That’s more so taunting and penalties imo That was my thought. I think McD is very much down on the "personal foul" "taunting" kind of penalties - while recognizing that top football players will snap back, they have to be controlled about it. 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: They had 1 and could have easily had 3. So they incurred 2 fines. What were you thinking for the 3rd? Edited September 18, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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