machine gun kelly Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: He's brand new to this offensive system. Sometimes it takes guys time. Howard is a great physical talent. His contract this year is fully guaranteed. Those two reasons alone likely means he's safe. Should keep Knox, Howard and Morris. Sweeney is as good as he's ever going to be, which isn't good enough. Hes a dead cap hit if we cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 hours ago, In Summary said: Asking a question here: Where does Reggie Gilliam fit into any TE role/depth? Is he at best just a duplicate in blocking for Howard and Sweeney or does he offer more? Gilliam is not an inline TE, he's a FB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 7 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: He has been good at doing the smaller things. I said a couple of weeks ago that he should really be expected to be Lee Smith at this point, which is great. He’s a good blocker, have him catch some red zone TDs. I've seen Lee Smith block. OJ Howard is no Lee Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: I can’t remember the name of the guest who was on with Joe on the extra point show, but he made good points that Howard is a better blocker than Sweeney and is why we brought him in here as well as a big and tough red zone target. Howard arrived with a reputation as a good blocker, but I'll be honest - when I've seen him blocking, I've been disappointed. His blocking form is a lot better than Sweeney, he just doesn't seem to get 'er done. 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Morris went down today with a hammy, so we’ll see. He is much closer to Knox then the others. Sweeney is most likely a cut, if a little serious Morris to PUP, and it’s Knox and Howard. This is a picky point, but PUP is not available to Morris (or anyone) once they take a snap in training camp. If he's injured, his choices are season-ending IR (if placed on IR during camp) OR, put him on the 53 man roster to start camp then switch him to IR eligible to return. I *think* we could also waive him injured, but then there are restrictions on when we could re-sign him. 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Sweeney is useless. A nice guy, but looked horrible when he had to step up last year. I agree with that last, but the coaches are saying he's really improved this camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Monkey Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Cut Bills release tight end O.J. Howard after five months with team (nfl.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Another guy who is super slow to recover from a serious injury. I wish him well... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Yard Monkey said: Cut Bills release tight end O.J. Howard after five months with team (nfl.com) https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-release-o-j-howard-123322160.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 This one hurts.. Spent a lot to bring him in here and didn't get what they were hoping for. Morris looked decent at blocking and better at receiving.. Sweeney is te question mark 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 OJ and cut seems to go hand and hand like peanut butter and jelly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: This one hurts.. Spent a lot to bring him in here and didn't get what they were hoping for. Morris looked decent at blocking and better at receiving.. Sweeney is te question mark Doesn’t really hurt but I did think he’d be a part of the “new” offense. Sweeney seems to be a core depth player. I’ve never really seen anything but they like him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beast said: OJ and cut seems to go hand and hand like peanut butter and jelly. Edgy. Man, Beast, it is crazy...it is 28 years ago. I remember where I was and what I was doing during the Bronco chase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: He’s just not good. He doesn’t have the fire to be great…he just stays afloat on his athletic abilities alone… Edited August 30, 2022 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 18 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: He’s just not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Doesn’t really hurt but I did think he’d be a part of the “new” offense. Sweeney seems to be a core depth player. I’ve never really seen anything but they like him around. From the money perspective since he had a fully guarenteed contract and we're up close against the cap with little room 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I really hope Morris is the TE2 and sweeney is PS or outright gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I don't like getting nothing for him and just eating the guaranteed salary. That seems silly. Nobody would give us a 7th rounder in 2025 for him or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 22 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Howard will be TE 2, he was never in danger of being cut, he is better overall than his competition, add in the cash hit for releasing him and it becomes obvious, Obviously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Just now, KDIGGZ said: I don't like getting nothing for him and just eating the guaranteed salary. That seems silly. Nobody would give us a 7th rounder in 2025 for him or something? If he was singend for the vet minimum maybe, but a fully guarenteed contract that he had kept him out of any possible trade probablilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Disappointing but he just didn’t look good out there. Look led sluggish. Seems like a solid guy, hope I h the best for him….. Morris will turn some heads this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Should have known that a guy named OJ was not going to cut it with the Bills. Edited August 30, 2022 by BTB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: His replacement probably doesn’t affect the top 51 contracts. It was a wash. There is no difference keeping Morris over Howard. You'll have to provide the math on that. I think we definetly ate money cutting him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 The glass half full take is they must really like Morris if they were willing to give up on Howard this quickly and eat his guarantees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The player they’re keeping instead of Howard won’t affect the cap. They eat Howard’s cap and replaced him with the lowest paid player on the roster. Wash each other out. You keep Morris or Sweeney over Howard. Howards contract is still on the books and you now add one of the two above on top of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Disappointing but he just didn’t look good out there. Look led sluggish. Seems like a solid guy, hope I h the best for him….. Morris will turn some heads this year. I noticed that too. Even on his TD catch against the Colts....he looked slow. I thought he was a guy that could shake a guy to get separation but he's running with led in his shoes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
518Buffalo Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Howard’s money is a sunk cost. Yeah we shouldn’t have signed him in the first place, but it makes no sense not to go with the better player which seems to be Morris. We’re paying $3M for a TE2 either way, just a different guy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, ddaryl said: You keep Morris or Sweeney over Howard. Howards contract is still on the books and you now add one of the two above on top of that. My bad. I was thinking offseason top 51 contracts. You’re correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't like getting nothing for him and just eating the guaranteed salary. That seems silly. Nobody would give us a 7th rounder in 2025 for him or something? Beane has a track record for scoring late round picks for guys I think aren't tradeable because teams know they'll be cut. Ordinarily I'd say that if Beane couldn't work a trade for a guy it's a bad outlook for the player, but it's possible that Beane was rather distracted for 3 crucial days last week. On 8/29/2022 at 9:01 AM, ScottLaw said: What have you been watching? Film 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I noticed that too. Even on his TD catch against the Colts....he looked slow. I thought he was a guy that could shake a guy to get separation but he's running with led in his shoes. Concur. Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ddaryl said: You'll have to provide the math on that. I think we definetly ate money cutting him... You are correct. We ate money cutting him. We pay him $3.25M (higher than this year's cap hit because his amortized bonus for next year adds onto this year's cap, plus once the top-51 rule expires, the salary of his replacement counts. One of Magic Beane's rare blindspots is that he occasionally seems to over-value a guy's prior draft status and the potential it indicates in bringing him in on a multi-million guaranteed contract. Corey Coleman in 2018 was one example. OJ Howard joins the (relatively short) list. To be fair, the year(s) after a mistake like that, Beane tends to focus scout resources on the position and bring in quality players, so perhaps he'll turn his attention to TE in that regard. Doesn't help us this year, though. BTW, Beane wasn't wrong that Coleman has potential, because after us NE; a more hopeful Giants team; and KC all took chances on him. I can't blame Beane for taking a shot that our sports medicine and S&C people could help Howard, but I think he is just washed, physically. Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, BTB said: Should have known that a guy named OJ was not going to cut it with the Bills. I bet you thought this would land harder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Whatever guaranteed $$$ OJH got from the Bills, appears to be a nice parting gift…maybe the end of his NFL career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 The ideal alternate timeline is where JD McKissic signs with the money we signed OJ for. I wonder who we would've drafted in Round 2 instead of Cook. Assuming OL, looking at the board at who was available. OJ was done in TB, never expected much from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: You keep Morris or Sweeney over Howard. Howards contract is still on the books and you now add one of the two above on top of that. It costs $450k more to keep Morris and cut Howard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: The glass half full take is they must really like Morris if they were willing to give up on Howard this quickly and eat his guarantees. Very true. Morris Cap hit is basically 3.3M. 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: It costs $450k more to keep Morris and cut Howard. Yep - Morris is basically free. Its whether you wanted to pay howard to play or not play. I doubt his contract had offset language so you can recoup some cash if he signs elsewhere. Cap space is gone though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I've been critical of Bean in the past but misfiring on Howard pales in comparison to some of his other failures like trading Wyatt Teller, Vernon Butler, Star L, etc. But the bigger issue here is just because Morris and Sweeney both presumably make the final roster don't mean they are any good vs. Howard being that bad/finished in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: It costs $450k more to keep Morris and cut Howard. Small price to pay. You keep the players that are going to make your team better. Edited August 30, 2022 by Ta111 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ta111 said: Small price to pay. You keep the players that are going to make your team better. Especially for 450k! If its a 10M difference in cap hit or something there's a lot that goes into that decision. But a 450k difference? Just pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BTB said: Should have known that a guy named OJ was not going to cut it with the Bills. with a first name like that, he HAD to get CUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: If he was singend for the vet minimum maybe, but a fully guarenteed contract that he had kept him out of any possible trade probablilities. I wondered if they were trying to make a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Georgie said: I wondered if they were trying to make a deal. I'm sure it was brought up in coversations. You always kick the tires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Howard even admitted that he was have a slow time grasping all of the terminology, calls and plays. I'm glad we kept the younger guys. I know I'm in the minority when it comes to Sweeney, but I still feel he has a high ceiling and feel that the coaching changes are going to help him reach a higher level. Go Bills!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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