Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

one more time for the peeps in the back:

 

“Law enforcement personnel are allowed to legally record conversations that they are not a party to. Police officers may then legally use this evidence for criminal prosecutions.

 

Private citizens are also allowed to utilize these exceptions in a much more limited capacity. In order to use this exception 2 circumstances must be met:

The person recording must be a part of the conversation, this essentially changes California law from an all-party consent state into a single-party consent state, [and,]

They must be recording conversations in order to gather evidence that the other party committed one of the following crime: Extortion, kidnapping, bribery, harassing phone calls, or any felony involving violence against another person. This allows you to record conversations in most instances where you feel threatened.”

 

exceptions to every law…

I was late to the party and everyone knew the inside gag.

 

Forgive me for reading 50 pages too slow.

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Ok, but if it falls under one of those exceptions, then it wasn’t illegally obtained.

 

 

It meets both of those criteria for exception.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

After listening to his lawyer and the fact that the bills knew about this for a while and how her lawyer is throwing ***** at the fan on Twitter. I will reserve judgement. Sounds like his lawyer has a lot of contradictory witness testimony. But it does sound like she was raped by someone that night. 

Agreed. Araiza’s lawyer is being very careful to not say that she wasn’t raped, but that it wasn’t by our punter. No one has said they hooked up, but there has been plenty of suggesting by the lawyers that they did. 

[Doc]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The truth is he was accused of being involved in a gang rape and it looks fishy as *****…. They could’ve easily cut him and kept Haack… again, they kept him because he can kick the ***** out of the ball not for any other reason….but who cares, he’s a ***** punter. 

 

How about because they think he's innocent?  Why was it so imperative to keep a punter?  They rarely punt.  And it's not like they invested a lot in him.

[quinnearlysghost88]

He’s done. 
 

and everyone apologizing for him. It’s not standard procedure to gold dig a punter! for a fake suit. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by quinnearlysghost88

[JoPoy88]

Just now, The Wiz said:

I was late to the party and everyone knew the inside gag.

 

Forgive me for reading 50 pages too slow.

not a problem it’s already a massive thread I get it

[Behindenemylines]

3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Agree with this, innocent or guilty

 

The guys a punter

 

On the other hand the bills must believe in him character wise 

So if he was a star QB your opinion is different?  Isn’t that so Clevelandesque?

 

Under the assumption the Bills have done all their legal homework, which we have no reason to believe they didn’t he should be suspended barring the outcome of some legal determination. 
 

If this was our star QB I’d feel the same way.  Where this differs from me is that there are not 24 accusers who were all stone cold sober making the same complaint over a period of time, plus all the hearsay along with it.  NOT to diminish this young lady’s claims at all as they are truly horrific.  But the two cases are drastically different 

[CountDorkula]

4 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Is there a specific reason you are writing your posts twice? Is there a specific reason you are writing your posts twice?

My speak to text on my iPhone keeps doing it twice if I use it. 
 

It doesn’t show up until after I hit submit
 

 

[AuntieEm]

20 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah I'm going to let the dust settle a little before I get out any pitchforks. I'm still glad Haack is off this roster and if we have to sign a cut punter he'll be no worse than 37 yard Haack.  Hopefully the truth comes out.

 

  Yea I got no problems if the Bills have to sign some other punter I don't see there being a big problem as we don't punt much in any event.  Unless they were gonna move on from haack and planned to sign another vet when they found out about the civil lawsuit.  Perhaps they decided they'd find another vet and just are allowing facts to come out.  If he is guilty he's toast bye bye nfl career hello prison for however many years he is sentenced to.  We don't know what evidence the police processed and the results of the rape kits.  I don't even know exactly what evidence got collected.  If this was always some setup to be a shakedown maybe none of the players the victim claims assaulted her have any DNA evidence show up in her rape kit.  Doesn't prove she's lying but I'd find her account to be very suspect if no DNA from any of the 3 players she accuses is found in her rape kits.  I'd expect there to be some additional DNA not ided if her account is accurate.  And other people attending this party didn't notice a bleeding inebriated young girl stumbling out of the house? 

Will see what the facts tell us as they become available.  

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

The accusation in the law suit is that Araiza dropped a girl off to a gang rape.  

 

Maybe he did; or maybe she asked for a place to sleep it off, he took her to his room and then a couple of dirtbags came in later and raped her and he wasnt around or had no idea what was happening. Only a few people really know at this point.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

The accusation in the law suit is that Araiza dropped a girl off to a gang rape.  So I guess I agree with you. I hope I never make that mistake….The world is full of whoopsies.
 

Having consensual sex with her and her age are actually the least of the moral concerns. There isn’t 50+ pages of “can you believe a college kid had sex with a high school kid at a party. Get him off my team!”. 
 

 

 

Morally, I’m more concerned that he allegedly had Chlamydia but still committed an unprotected sexual act plus the questions surrounding how drunk she was than her age.

[Maynard]

This serves a 34 game suspension, said everyone but the Browns. 

[BeastMaster]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

BTW she was 17 and a minor…. Unbelievable and disgusting if this is true. 

The private investigators have multiple witnesses that say she was telling people she was 18...according to his lawyer.

 

 

[Comebackkid]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Per the article, a criminal investigation is still pending and charges may be brought. 

Well my question would be what are they going to find now that they couldn't find 10 months ago

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The investigation really just needs to play out are there witnesses vouching for the attorney saying she was telling people she was 18 and college 

 

multiple sources have said not knowing her true age is not a defense.  Given the overall accusation that would be a silly argument to make:  "I thought she was 18 when I had sex with her and then  brought her to my buddies bedroom, where she was raped"

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 minutes ago, wppete said:

BTW she was 17 and a minor…. Unbelievable and disgusting if this is true. 

What if he didn’t know? She shows up drunk to his college party, it’s not a stretch that he assumed she was college age. 

[Behindenemylines]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Don’t think it’s worth the headache and backlash…

But per your post if it was a star QB it would be?  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, BeastMaster said:

The private investigators have multiple witnesses that say she was telling people she was 18...according to his lawyer.

 

 

If that’s true, this case is dropped

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

The private investigators have multiple witnesses that say she was telling people she was 18...according to his lawyer.

 

 

Not sure if that will matter or not. Plus it turns into he said/she said. the fact is according to the law he had sex with a minor if he indeed did. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

and then  brought her to my buddies bedroom

 

I hadn't seen any specifics re: the location.

It wasn't Araiza's room?

[wppete]

Just now, BeastMaster said:

The private investigators have multiple witnesses that say she was telling people she was 18...according to his lawyer.

 

 

It doesn’t matter if she was saying she was 40. The report says she was 17 and a minor and if he admitted having sex with her then he is done let alone rape…. He is done if true. 

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

What if he didn’t know? She shows up drunk to his college party, it’s not a stretch that he assumed she was college age. 

Doesn’t matter. 

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If that’s true, this case is dropped

Nope, it doesn’t matter. 
 

 

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Simon said:

 

I hadn't seen any specifics re: the location.

It wasn't Araiza's room?

it was some room in his residence. I assume he had housemates so who knows.

[YoloinOhio]

Current thought process- 

- the bills didn’t know at time of draft 

- they learned of the pending civil lawsuit 7/30

- they cut Haack this week because per McDermott it was “time to go down to one punter” but said araiza still needed to earn the spot

- they knew they didn’t want Haack regardless 

- they believe he’s innocent based on the info they have  but also reserve the right to cut him as more comes out and will sign someone else if needed. But they knew for sure they didn’t want Haack 

 

 

[Warcodered]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

it was some room in his residence. I assume he had housemates so who knows.

In the interview with his attorney he said he saw that was being said but it wasn't his house.

[appoo]

Twitter and Bills Mafia is really starting to gross me out 

 

If my workplace found I’d been accused of being part of a gang rape of a 17 year 8 months prior to getting hired out of college, and all they knew was that I admitted to sex and told her she needed to check for STDs because I had chlamydia, and there was physical evidence of some sort of violence l, I’d be out of a job.

The only entity that has to fully care about Innocent until proven is the Justice System and any other public entities.

 

Private organizations are well within their rights to look at the circumstantial evidence they have at hand, and make their own decision on whether or not it’s worth it go forward with that employee- I see almost no upside here for the Bills keeping Araiza. 
 

Finally, the lack of empathy for women is astounding. Why don’t women speak up? Just look at the comment warriors on Twitter and that’s all the answer you’ll need. Women who speak up get destroyed 

 

[Doc]

I'll bet good money that they didn't find his DNA.

[78thealltimegreat]

9 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

My take based on everything thus far:

 

- Araiza probably had oral sex with the plaintiff based on the phone call and the way his attorney behaved in that TV interview.  What's much less clear is whether Araiza knew she was under age or not.

- The gang rape seems like a he said/she said.  My guess is we'll probably never know one way or the other, although it's possible one side or the other might have credible witnesses that tip the scales in either direction.

- I agree with Araiza's attorney that it is odd that the civil lawsuit came before the DA decided to file criminal charges.

- Those texts between the attorneys read exactly like a shakedown and a money grab... and if I am on that civil jury, it tips the preponderance of the evidence scale pretty heavily in Araiza's favor.

 

I think the likeliest source of "trouble" for him is the statutory rape charge, but if the DA's office thinks their case is weak with regards to whether he knew she was underage... then they might fail to file charges.

 

This is my guess on why the Bills are sticking with him... I don't think any of it sticks.

Looking at this a little bit more I’m kinda in agreement with you. If there are witnesses saying what the attorney said that she was telling people she was in college and 18 and he had oral with her then he did nothing wrong except being stupid. 
it does sound like the other guys might have been the people doing really bad things and Matt is getting thrown in with it because he’s famous. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

It doesn’t matter if she was saying she was 40. The report says she was 17 and a minor and if he admitted having sex with her then he is done let alone rape…. He is done if true. 

Depends how they handle it - they could decide to treat it as a misdemeanour rather than a felony. From what I read, he was 21 and she was 17. They usually treat anyone where the age gap is under 16/over 21 as a felony so it may be treated as a misdemeanour. If so, he won’t be done, notwithstanding the other allegations.

[Turbo44]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

it was some room in his residence. I assume he had housemates so who knows.

Nope - his attorney said misinformation has been floating and the place of the party WAS NOT Araiza's house. It's all in his TV interview

[jkirchofer]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

Twitter and Bills Mafia is really starting to gross me out 

 

If my workplace found I’d been accused of being part of a gang rape of a 17 year 8 months prior to getting hired out of college, and all they knew was that I admitted to sex and told her she needed to check for STDs because I had chlamydia, and there was physical evidence of some sort of violence l, I’d be out of a job.

The only entity that has to fully care about Innocent until proven is the Justice System and any other public entities.

 

Private organizations are well within their rights to look at the circumstantial evidence they have at hand, and make their own decision on whether or not it’s worth it go forward with that employee- I see almost no upside here for the Bills keeping Araiza. 
 

Finally, the lack of empathy for women is astounding. Why don’t women speak up? Just look at the comment warriors on Twitter and that’s all the answer you’ll need. Women who speak up get destroyed 

 

Exactly. All of this.

[appoo]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

I'll bet good money that they didn't find his DNA.

The what was the evidence they submitted to the DA? And why submit evidence to the DA if the police don’t believe a crime was admitted?

 

Again you start with the assumption that this young person is lying 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

In the interview with his attorney he said he saw that was being said but it wasn't his house.

very well could be true - just going off the plaintiff’s complaint as that’s the only thing down on paper at this point.

[CountDorkula]

Just now, appoo said:

Twitter and Bills Mafia is really starting to gross me out 

 

If my workplace found I’d been accused of being part of a gang rape of a 17 year 8 months prior to getting hired out of college, and all they knew was that I admitted to sex and told her she needed to check for STDs because I had chlamydia, and there was physical evidence of some sort of violence l, I’d be out of a job.

The only entity that has to fully care about Innocent until proven is the Justice System and any other public entities.

 

Private organizations are well within their rights to look at the circumstantial evidence they have at hand, and make their own decision on whether or not it’s worth it go forward with that employee- I see almost no upside here for the Bills keeping Araiza. 
 

Finally, the lack of empathy for women is astounding. Why don’t women speak up? Just look at the comment warriors on Twitter and that’s all the answer you’ll need. Women who speak up get destroyed 

 

 

The victim shaming doesn’t surprise me though people cult follow NFL teams. 
 

Araiza is innocent until proven guilty but the girl who is bringing forward the lawsuit is guilty of lying extortion blackmail etc. etc.

[nkreed]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

The accusation in the law suit is that Araiza dropped a girl off to a gang rape.  So I guess I agree with you. I hope I never make that mistake….The world is full of whoopsies.

 

This isn't the only time I've read this misinterpreted in this thread 

 

The civil suit specifically accuses Ariza of bringing her AND participating in the gang rape. In addition to two others by name, there are 20 other unknowns that are included in this civil lawsuit. (I'm not a lawyer, but I am guessing that's legalese for covering all of the bases).

 

There's a lot to unpack here no doubt.

[NEBranch]

13 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

 

Yes, he actually does... Read the constitution sometime.  We all have the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

 

If being on a football team fulfills his pursuit of happiness, it is his inalienable right to play football. 

 

Is this an "Animal House" spoof?  You might want to re-read the Constitution.

[Doc]

Just now, appoo said:

The what was the evidence they submitted to the DA? And why submit evidence to the DA if the police don’t believe a crime was admitted?

 

Again you start with the assumption that this young person is lying 

 

I never said she wasn't raped by anyone. I'm going by the Bills sticking with him when they easily could have dumped him.

[Beast]

8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

What if he didn’t know? She shows up drunk to his college party, it’s not a stretch that he assumed she was college age. 

You need to know the age of someone you are sticking your dick into. Assumptions are risky.

 

At what point does that excuse end? Well, she had big breasts and looked 18. I had no idea she was 13!
 

Young girls lie to impress older males.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by Beast

[CountDorkula]

Hey @Gene1973 I see you reacting negatively to every post that gives some sort of sympathy and has any tone that Araiza may be guilty. Care to chime in.

[zow2]

Just now, jkirchofer said:

Exactly. All of this.

 

The story is out there now and it’s too big.  Araiza will never survive this. And the Bills won’t win or lose a Super Bowl based on how their punter does.