Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

SDSU just built a new stadium. They are likely getting into the PAC 12. They are a top mid major program. Appreciate that doesn’t mean much to Bills fans.
 

But certainly I don’t care if Alabama you do what’s right. Anything that slows this investigation based on football is totally unacceptable. 

 

Exactly. And they didnt want this coming out during all that which would sully the program, lose them funding for the stadium, and maybe even kill their chances of getting into the larger conference.

[ddaryl]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think they spoke to Araiza and the victims attorney and really thought that he would settle to get out of the civil suit, and had some assurance from SDSU/SDPD that Araiza would receive some protection. 

That all unraveled when Araiza's camp didn't accept the settlement. I think the org is currently unprepaired because they thought they had this all tied up and under wraps. 

 

Even if Araiza is a choir boy, his unwillingness/inability to keep the org clean is worth cutting him. 

 

 

Thats not what happen. Araiza's Parents contacted his lawyer and asked them what they are looking for $$$$ wise, the victims lawyer just wouldn't accept it.  
 

https://twitter.com/dangilleon/status/1562969378412322822/photo/1

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by ddaryl

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Amazing how many people assume he knew this. She was at a COLLEGE PARTY. You would think he was at a high school party how much people blame him. She probably looks exactly the same at 18 as she did at 17. Multiple people say she lied and said she was 18 and in college. Nobody asks to see ID before sex at a college party…get real

 

If she lied about being in college that could be different, if she said she was in high school I don't think it's that simple. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

So coming up on 20 hours since the news broke nationally and he's still a Buffalo Bill?  Yeah, I'm going with the Bills investigating it and confident he did nothing won't be convicted of anything criminal.

 

FTFY. 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

So what?  I had sex with a minor once upon a time, and so did my first girlfriend.  We were just doing what teenagers have been known to do from time to time.  It was fine.  

This is the quiet part I don't think @gene1973 or some of the other supporters don't want to say out loud. Amazing we took 130 pages to get to the part where we finally got a contingent of folks to conclude that  ***** minors is ok.

Edited August 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[MWK]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Speaking of Sweeney… I’d really hate to see him make the team. He blows.

Agreed. He has had a ton of chances and never done anything. I’d rather pick someone up off the scrap heap

[mikef272002]

49 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

So she wasn't well and had to go lie down? Matt Araiza had sex with a girl who was not well. 

See what I am getting at here. He can't have it both ways. He cannot be a good Samaritan taking care of her, because that means she wasn't able to give proper consent. 

Was she led to a bedroom 2 minutes after having sex with matt? Or two hours later after several more drinks?  Stop pretending like you know what happened.  At no place does it show anytime of timeframe.  She literally said "All I remember is being led to a bedroom where some guys were at'.  it does not state that Matt led her there, or at what point in the night she was led there.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

How is this JUST an accusation with what he’s already admitted on tape, and the girl went to the police…. People BLINDLY supporting Araiza staying with the team are the reasons why rape is so under reported.  It’s hard to prove and nobody ever believes you.  

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Speaking of Sweeney… I’d really hate to see him make the team. He blows.

As far as professionals go, I agree, Ive never thought Sweeny was any good. 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, mikef272002 said:

 it does not state that Matt led her there, or at what point in the night she was led there.

The official suit does instead state those things

[Bob in STL]

3 minutes ago, MWK said:

 

Beane and McDermott say everyone is a good teammate. Apparently Tommy Sweeney is a leader now too. I do agree that Haack is a horrible punter. If we cut the puntophile, better options are on the waiver wire than Haack.

No, they really don't.  They don't say anything when they may think otherwise. 

 

So many people just want to slam Haack.  I get it, he was a poor punter by NFL standards.  I watched him play.  

 

 

 

 

[MWK]

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

How is this JUST an accusation with what he’s already admitted on tape, and the girl went to the police…. People BLINDLY supporting Araiza staying with the team are the reasons why rape is so under reported.  It’s hard to prove and nobody ever believes you.  

People who condemned the Browns for Watson are now supporting the puntophile. Guess the tables have turned now

[Airseven]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

So coming up on 20 hours since the news broke nationally and he's still a Buffalo Bill?  Yeah, I'm going with the Bills investigating it and confident he did nothing criminal.

 

Bottom line is he shouldn't be axed based on a civil allegation. And especially only when it becomes public. Nothing changed between Wednesday and Thursday besides injecting the self-righteousness of social media and tribal opinion.

[1ManRaid]

52 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Weird story. But I am fairly confident I was roofied a long time ago. 

I was at a bar on Thanksgiving with a female friend, and there was a weird guy who kept trying to talk to her. I had only had 3 beers that evening. We both noted that we had actually accidently swapped beers playing darts, but liked what each other were drinking so just kept each others drinks. After about 30 minutes from that time, things become a bit hazy. Then there is a total blank spot where I don't remember getting home. I don't remember the rest of the night in the bar. Not a single conversation. Another round of darts. People I met. I don't remember waking up naked in the spare  bedroom next to her. We had been friends for decades, so we sort of had a little bit of a laugh about it. 

But I have been hospitalized for alcohol poisoning in the past. Was a college athlete and a bit of a recluse/lush in my younger years. I have never ever blacked out in my life. Ever. That is the only time. 

 

It was a bar I was a regular at, so next time I was there I told them what happened. And apparently I was the second person to come to them from that night to report something similar. 

Really scary stuff. But I am glad that we accidently swapped drinks. That situation ended about as well as it could have. 

 

As much as that sucks it happened to you, I guess I'm in agreement I'm being glad it was you rather than her.

 

But your story is why I'm so dubious about these claims she was roofied and somehow remembers just enough to implicate him.  There is close to zero chance a recollection of him after their consensual encounter would be clear enough whether or not he was involved.  As I've said she -probably- was raped, but the evidence just isn't there yet to say if he was involved (and I don't -think- he was based on the timeline so far).

[blitzboy54]

4 minutes ago, StHustle said:

There is a stipulation in that law that says if you have reason to believe the person was 18 or older than there is no crime. Cops heard him admit to doing having sex with her out of his own mouth and made no arrest. What does that tell you?

the police report said she said she was in high school, he then gave her a drink and took her out back. 

 

What part of this is sitting well with you?

[SCBills]

Just now, MWK said:

People who condemned the Browns for Watson are now supporting the puntophile. Guess the tables have turned now

And here we have the laziest take of the day. 

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

gotta admire the persistence 

3/4 of this thread is like this

[appoo]

 

[finn]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The reason is that they believe he’s innocent of the allegations. They don’t believe he should be cut based on allegations that they believe to be untrue. It’s as simple as that. Stay tuned as it could change but that’s my read on it.

I wish I were as confident as you about their motives. The reported information is pretty damning. The girl told a friend about the rape immediately and went to the police the next day. Does that sound like a false 

 

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think they spoke to Araiza and the victims attorney and really thought that he would settle to get out of the civil suit, and had some assurance from SDSU/SDPD that Araiza would receive some protection. 

That all unraveled when Araiza's camp didn't accept the settlement. I think the org is currently unprepaired because they thought they had this all tied up and under wraps. 

 

Even if Araiza is a choir boy, his unwillingness/inability to keep the org clean is worth cutting him. 

This take makes the most sense to me. I didn't understand why they cut Haack knowing this news was about to break. (I'm very skeptical that they believed Araiza, given the information we have.) Your explanation clears that up. Of course, now they're screwed. They really have no choice but to cut him. His abilities aren't worth the distraction, division, and bad press. Maybe Keenum can hold?

[DasNootz]

1 minute ago, blitzboy54 said:

the police report said she said she was in high school, he then gave her a drink and took her out back. 

 

What part of this is sitting well with you?

the police report - or the civil complaint?

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

Thats not what happen. Araiza's Parents contacted his lawyer lawyer asked them what they arelooking for $$$$ wise, the victims lawyer just wouldn't accept it.

 

No. Read the whole text thread HER lawyer posted. It clearly shows that the plaintiff was seeking a settlement and Araiza's lawyer said they would never settle. The plaintiffs lawyer then threatened that Araiza will regret that "they will do what they always do and litigate it civilly then". At some point the defendent's lawyer said "Araiza's parents asked me to ask you about a number" which the defendent's lawyer THEN ignored.

 

 

[MWK]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

And here we have the laziest take of the day. 

I’m not the guy who was talking about Dicaprio movies to support that what the puntophile did was ok, but go off buddy. Or that he’s part of the team so we have to support him. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by MWK

[MiltonWaddams]

4 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Thats not what happen. Araiza's Parents contacted his lawyer and asked them what they are looking for $$$$ wise, the victims lawyer just wouldn't accept it.  
 

https://twitter.com/dangilleon/status/1562969378412322822/photo/1

 

 

This lawyer putting this into the national spotlight via twitter is not helping. Scummy behavior that denotes him as the "ambulance-chaser" level of lawyer. Not that it changes the merits of the case, just that the optics are horrible.

[dje85]

8 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I know what Because McDermott just said - he was a good teammate.  That is why they cut him, to provide him more time to find another job.  

 

I said he was a below average punter.  

 

 

They also said Ford was one of their best olinemen this year and we all know that isn't true or we wouldn't of traded him. We have this thing about keeping our best talent.

 

Everything Beane and McDermott say about a player is 100% the truth take it to the bank. 

 

But this is besides the point. I said he stunk and needed to be replaced as he was easily replaceable by someone as talented or better. So I'm happy he is gone regardless of the Araiza issue now.

 

And you said  he was a good team mate? Who cares? That is not a good reason to keep him. 

 

[BillsFanSD]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This is the quiet part I don't think @gene1973 or some of the other supporters don't want to say out loud. Amazing we took 130 pages to get to the part where we finally got a contingent of folks to conclude that  ***** minors is ok.

Well, a 21 year old having sex with a 17 year old is okay, at least to me.  I strongly support "Romeo & Juliet" provisions specifically because of stuff like this.

 

To clarify, I am 50.  If I hit on a 17 year old, I am a creep and the DA should throw the book at me.  Likewise, a 21 year old hitting on a 14 year old is creepy.  Throw the book at that guy, absolutely.

 

But 17 and 21 are approximately the same age.  There's always going to be some gray area here, but this is fine IMO.

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Rico said:

Without going thru this monster thread..

I find it very hard to believe that Kim Pegula would stand for any of this if there was anything concrete to it. I don't know her status right now, none of my business, but I think at the very least her family knows where she stands & would agree with her take. So I will support the Bills 100% on this, and I will support the Punt God as long as he is a Bill.

 

Not sure her health allows her to be directly involved these days.  I had similar thoughts.

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

In Ca., it doesn't matter. A Minor, cannot consent to sex, in any capacity. Even if the girl lied, it's still a Felony. I'm just the messenger, and that is how it is.

 

Its not though. Again this has been rehashed and rehashed. It is a wobbler law in CA.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, MWK said:

I’m not the guy who was talking about Dicaprio movies to support that what the puntophile did was ok, but go off buddy

Followed up with the laziest strawman of the day. 

[Arkady Renko]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Not a member of the Pegula family.  

[1ManRaid]

2 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

the police report said she said she was in high school, he then gave her a drink and took her out back. 

 

What part of this is sitting well with you?

 

And there's also reports saying she was telling people she was in college, not high school.  

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Of course you are…

 

Of course you aren't.  But no matter.

 

6 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

If she lied about being in college that could be different, if she said she was in high school I don't think it's that simple. 

 

There is no way she went to a college party and said she was in high school.

 

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

FTFY. 

 

I stand by what I said originally.

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm sure the Q-contingent from PPP who regularly accuse people of being pedos and groomers with no real evidence will be all over this against Araiza.

 

Is there pizza involved? 😏 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

This lawyer putting this into the national spotlight via twitter is not helping. Scummy behavior that denotes him as the "ambulance-chaser" level of lawyer. Not that it changes the merits of the case, just that the optics are horrible.

 

The lawyer putting this in the national spotlight is the only way this got traction in almost a year of no movement and roadblocks by the police and university.

You dont like it, take it up with the school and police.

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, SCBills said:

And here we have the laziest take of the day. 

Completely different situations. Most on here are saying let the situation play out. If he’s done what he’s accused of then he’s gone.
Mina Kimes already blasting Bills investigation. If that’s deserved we will all agree. Bills are certainly acting like they are all in supporting him. So I think a bit of patience is required. Bills have demonstrated an organization that has its act together. Time will tell. If they are on the wrong side of this it will hurt the franchise in a very big way. A great deal at steak and the Bills ownership/leadership know this. 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

In Ca., it doesn't matter. A Minor, cannot consent to sex, in any capacity. Even if the girl lied, it's still a Felony. I'm just the messenger, and that is how it is. The Cops MIGHT think, that they have a sketchy witness, but now we are dealing in 'what if's'.

 

This is wrong.  There is a provision for mistaken age.  

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

2 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

And there's also reports saying she was telling people she was in college, not high school.  

Dude, why the ***** are people making excuses for some nobody pos… fan base is extremely disappointing. Anybody wants to defend ***** like this doesn’t have a woman in there life they give any ***** about.

[AuntieEm]

39 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

But the information about the tapes is just her recollection of what was said?? I asked last night cause I was confused by it I thought snippets were leaked out. If the tape is so cut and dry you’d think the criminal charges would of been filed a long time ago. 

 

  And any DNA results from the rape kit.  I'd expect they did blood analysis as well to detect any rape drug that may have been in her system.  I don't know the length if time traces of various drugs can be found but of course the lab techs that do these know the variables. All that info is what the DA will decide whether or not charges can be made.  No evidence would mean no charges should be made  if there is sufficient evidence then the matter should go to trial in a court of law and let the evidence sway the jury to a correct just verdict whichever way the evidence points.  And I truly hope for whomever the innocent party is that the verdict is the correct one even if none but the people involved themselves know what actually took place.  

 

  I'd have assumed a rape kit and the evidence it produces would be sufficiently evaluated by now to know whether a crime may have occurred as alleged.  We need to hear something from the SDPD as to the status of the investigation and any conclusions they have made if any.   I don't believe the Bills would have drafted Araiza if they knew he was accused of rape.  Its not like he such an essential talent that they risk the negative PR.  Really don't want this mess distracting the team but I also want the right people punished in this matter  if it's the players if they did rape the girl.  Or those trying to extort money from Araiza based on his notoriety and thinking it be easy pickings.

 

 

[elijah]

After all of this slander on something with 0 concrete evidence available to the public yet, 

 

I will 100% be buying his jersey and supporting him as a Bill as strongly as I can IF he’s proven innocent 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, QLBillsFan said:

Completely different situations. Most on here are saying let the situation play out. If he’s done what he’s accused of then he’s gone.
Mina Kimes already blasting Bills investigation. If that’s deserved we will all agree. Bills are certainly acting like they are all in supporting him. So I think a bit of patience is required. Bills have demonstrated an organization that has its act together. Time will tell. If they are on the wrong side of this it will hurt the franchise in a very big way. A great deal at steak and the Bills ownership/leadership know this. 

Where? Dry aged, prime, ribeye?  What are we talking here?

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Dude, why the ***** are people making excuses for some nobody pos… fan base is extremely disappointing. Anybody wants to defend ***** like this doesn’t have a woman in there life they give any ***** about.

Outrage is not a virtue.

[Warriorspikes51]

everything in today's society is immediate OUTRAGE before the actual truth is even known.