Cody Ford to Arizona

[Punching Bag]

58 minutes ago, stevewin said:

The recent Athletic article with Dion calling out his attitude, pouting etc. I thought was striking.  Not a process guy apparently

 

Yes and he interviewed very well so his attitude changed after he was drafted.

If he had that type of attutude Beane would not have drafted him.

 

 

[khlax3]

I know it’s probably pretty rare in the NFL but with ford gone I wonder if the bills would consider keeping only 8 on the oline since the 9th is always inactive on game day anyway. We don’t really have a developmental prospect on the oline like we do at other positions. 
 

this would assume the top 8 oline are healthy going into the season but with Dawkins, saffold, Morse, bates, and brown starting then quessenberry, mancz, and Doyle you have versatile backups. 
 

mancz can play all 3 interior positions, quessenberry and Doyle can play 4 out of 5 and in a pinch bates can play all 5.

 

you can get Anderson and van rotten, and hart on practice squad to call up in case of long term injury.

 

this frees up a spot to keep a cam Lewis, Brandin Bryant, hodgins, or blackshear on the active roster 

Edited August 22, 2022 by khlax3

[eball]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am not the one calling Beane a “genius wizard God-man” - he’s a very good GM.  Period.  He ain’t the best; he’s far from the worst.  That’s ok and maybe we should just accept it.

 

He's top 5 without question.  That's good enough for me.

 

[yall]

26 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Oh, I didn't hear about those comments.  That is disappointing.

I've not heard anything of this sort either. Would someone familiar care to elaborate?

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am not the one calling Beane a “genius wizard God-man” - he’s a very good GM.  Period.  He ain’t the best; he’s far from the worst.  That’s ok and maybe we should just accept it.

 

Fans call a rookie punter a 'GOD".  What's your point.  Continue with your "critique" of Beane all you want.

You are in a very small minority and that goes throughout the entire NFL world.

[thenorthremembers]

Watching him in college I thought for sure he'd be an pro bowl Guard.    Never thought he'd make much of a tackle however.

 

Glad to see him on his way, and cant believe they got anything more than a 7th.  

[Nuncha]

Let that Ford break down in Arizona - it will get Murray Killed.  5th round pick for him is a steal, cause they probably would have cut him anyway.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Azucho98

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

But, but, but… I was told that Aaron Kromer had reformed him into a serviceable player…

He has.

[FilthyBeast]

This is an interesting move considering how well Ford has performed in Camp/preseason and all the hype about Kromer being the change that was needed to get him to finally perform up to his potential.

 

With that said, it proves that camp/preseason doesn't mean much which is why I also expect more similar moves with guys like Moss and/or Epenesa being dangled as trade bait if similar draft picks are being offered in return.

[LeGOATski]

33 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

You’re not looking at this the right way.

 

Yes, he was a 2nd round pick and we figured out that he’s not good enough to start pretty quickly. It was a miss and every GM misses.

 

Every GM doesn’t, however, get value back for their missed picks. Usually, you just have to cut guys when you miss.

 

That makes this a win.

Are you sure? I'd like to see the actual number. The fact is we've seen plenty of busts across the league traded over the years.

[Don Otreply]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am not the one calling Beane a “genius wizard God-man” - he’s a very good GM.  Period.  He ain’t the best; he’s far from the worst.  That’s ok and maybe we should just accept it.

Actually he has been rated the best during his time here, 

[hemma]

1 minute ago, khlax3 said:

I know it’s probably pretty rare in the NFL but with ford gone I wonder if the bills would consider keeping only 8 on the oline since the 9th is always inactive on game day anyway. We don’t really have a developmental prospect on the oline like we do at other positions. 
 

this would assume the top 8 oline are healthy going into the season but with Dawkins, saffold, Morse, bates, and brown starting then quessenberry, mancz, and Doyle you have versatile backups. 
 

mancz can play all 3 interior positions, quessenberry and Doyle can play 4 out of 5 and in a pinch bates can play all 5.

 

you can get Anderson and van rotten, and hart on practice squad to call up in case of long term injury.

 

this frees up a spot to keep a cam Lewis, Brandin Bryant, hodgins, or blackshear on the active roster 

 

Brown isn’t there yet.  McDermott just talk about bringing him along over the next ‘days and weeks’.  I don’t think you could even plan on him as the float for awhile.

 

Mancz just got hurt in practice.  No Idea how bad.  

We are suddenly light.

[Beck Water]

28 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Oh, I didn't hear about those comments.  That is disappointing.

 

It was discussed here:

Specifically here:

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

This is an interesting move considering how well Ford has performed in Camp/preseason and all the hype about Kromer being the change that was needed to get him to finally perform up to his potential.

 

With that said, it proves that camp/preseason doesn't mean much which is why I also expect more similar moves with guys like Moss and/or Epenesa being dangled as trade bait if similar draft picks are being offered in return.

Ford isn’t a fit athletically. This trade was mostly about fit. I think we’re going to see a lot more screens this year. Ford is a power run blocker. 

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Fans call a rookie punter a 'GOD".  What's your point.  Continue with your "critique" of Beane all you want.

You are in a very small minority and that goes throughout the entire NFL world.

I don’t mind being in the minority.  I’m responding to the folks proclaiming Beane a “wizard” for getting a 5th rounder for Ford.  If you think that’s the “very big majority” consensus, that’s great for you.

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

No fear of the Bills regretting this as with the Teller trade.

Beane is very very good. 

[Thurman#1]

26 minutes ago, 947 said:

Boettger is coming off a torn achilles, I honestly doubt he'll play again. Very few linemen have played again after that injury, and the ones that did were shadows of their old self.

 

With Ford gone & Mancz possibly out long term, I suspect we'll be looking at cuts for a replacement OG.

 

 

Yeah, nobody comes back from the Achilles on the O-line. Take Jason Peters and his Achilles team in 2012, he's sucked since except almost certainly earning his way to the Hall of Fame. Terrell Suggs. Vince Wilfork.

 

Sure, there's a chance he'll never come back, or that if he does he'll be a "shadow of himself." But there's also a possibility he'll be fine. As is generally so, we'll have to wait and see.

[QCity]

40 minutes ago, Simon said:

He's not picking nits or saying Beane is a bad GM.

He's just pointing out that calling the final resolution of a multi-tiered mistake "amazing" is nonsensical and over the top.

 

This. There's plenty of moves to praise Beane over, but this is not one of them.

[SCBills]

The more surprising aspect for me is that Beane got a 5th for a guy on the last year of his rookie deal.  
 

With Saffold on a 1 year deal, I’ve always suspected the plan all along was to spend a Top 100 pick on the OL next draft, maybe even a double dip depending on how they handle the S and LB positions. 
 

No point in extending Cody Ford to be depth, nor would he probably have accepted a depth OL contract from us… and it sounds like we had no interest in even offering. 

[sfbillsfan]

Remember, we're playing Carolina this week so it's an audition for their O-line to see who we'll pick up in 2 weeks.

[Logic]

As someone on Twitter said:

Beane just got the same round draft pick in return for Cody Ford that the Patriots got for Pro Bowl lever player Shaq Mason.

Not bad.

[Bob in STL]

55 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Still trying to figure out how we manage to keep 11 guys in the secondary, when historically it's been 9:

 

Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Taron, Dane, Elam, Benford, Neal, Johnson, Hamlin, and Lewis.  

 

I want to see us keep all 11, don't see it happening though.  With Lewis cross training at S, wonder if that points to:

1. Either promoting his trade value OR

2. Johnson (last yr on contract) or Hamlin (I think better long term than Johnson) is maybe on the move

Don't worry, we can get Blackshear to play CB or S.  

[First Round Bust]

at end of the day:

Beano is going to miss:  2nd round for Ford, 3rd rounder for Kelvin Benjamin come to mind

Josh is going to throw the occasional INT

our RBs are going to fumble once-in-awhile

WRs going to drop passes as well...

OL gonna jump early and hold on touchdowns - happened Saturday

DBs gonna hold on DL sacks - happened Saturday

 

we got 28 starts from Cody, we save about 500k in cap space(1.4M in salary gone, minus 900k in dead), got a fifth rounder back which is where Beano excels, Ford cant swing to tackle which is something the draft department now knows better how go to gauge, tihik RAS (Doyle, Brown).

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/cody-ford-29074/stats-valuation/

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

As someone on Twitter said:

Beane just got the same round draft pick in return for Cody Ford that the Patriots got for Pro Bowl lever player Shaq Mason.

Not bad.

 

Yeah but sometimes bills mafia needs to tap the brakes on the over the top Beane love.

 

The bottom line is that he swung and missed big time for a guy he coveted and traded up for. It happens to all GM's but saying 'OMG we got a 5th rounder for Ford' is a loss no matter which way you spin it give the circumstances.

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don’t mind being in the minority.  I’m responding to the folks proclaiming Beane a “wizard” for getting a 5th rounder for Ford.  If you think that’s the “very big majority” consensus, that’s great for you.

 

 

Come on, man. You're a good poster, but it's very obvious he wasn't specifically referring to this trade only when he referred to Beane as a wizard. Some may have been, but he wasn't. Bean has been sensational. That's absolutely a very big majority consensus. As it should be.

 

Not perfect, nobody is, but terrific, absolutely.

[FilthyBeast]

5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

No fear of the Bills regretting this as with the Teller trade.

Beane is very very good. 

 

Yes he's such a genius that he traded up for this guy and spent a 2nd round pick only to trade him a few years later for a 5th rounder.

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yeah but sometimes bills mafia needs to tap the brakes on the over the top Beane love.

 

The bottom line is that he swung and missed big time for a guy he coveted and traded up for. It happens to all GM's but saying 'OMG we got a 5th rounder for Ford' is a loss no matter which way you spin it give the circumstances.

 

 

No, it just isn't.

 

Drafting him that high in the first place certainly appears to have been a major mistake. Getting a 5th for the player with what we know now is a good move. 

 

Those are two separate moves. 

[Big Blitz]

55 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Beane traded UP in the 2019 draft to pick Ford, with DK Metcalf still on the board.  Beane then traded away Wyatt Teller in part because of Ford’s presence on the roster.  

 

 

 

Andy Reid passed on him to for Mecole Hardman.

 

I'm not even sure how good DK is. 

 

55 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

 

Josh Allen is “amazing.”  Beane is a very good GM who has made boatloads of mistakes, Ford being one that definitely stands out.

 

 

Boogie will go down as his worst pick if he isn't legit this season 

 

Considering his age, his 2nd RD pick status after we picked a DE in RD 1 - He really needs to be good.  

[gjv]

Good Luck Cody. Hope you find your game in Phoenix.

[RyanC883]

terrible pick by Bean, among other recent 2nd round blunders.  At least Bean was able to recover something from it.  May end up better that it's a 5th and not a 2nd! 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

This is an interesting move considering how well Ford has performed in Camp/preseason and all the hype about Kromer being the change that was needed to get him to finally perform up to his potential.

 

With that said, it proves that camp/preseason doesn't mean much which is why I also expect more similar moves with guys like Moss and/or Epenesa being dangled as trade bait if similar draft picks are being offered in return.

 

Why does it have to be one or the other?  Kromer seems to have improved his play.  I think Ford's attitude, that we learned recently,

shown the Bills do not have him in their future plans.

 

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don’t mind being in the minority.  I’m responding to the folks proclaiming Beane a “wizard” for getting a 5th rounder for Ford.  If you think that’s the “very big majority” consensus, that’s great for you.

 

It was a bust pick by Beane.  There is no arguing that point.  He got a 5th for him and saved a few $s.

Is that bad, a 5th?  IF you were a GM or Coach (even on a Tuesday) would you have given a 4th?

I'll hang up and listen.

[Ralonzo]

48 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

and if so, can Tommy Boyce be far behind?

 

Awesome pull. I wonder what Beane's doing tonight?

 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by Ralonzo

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yes he's such a genius that he traded up for this guy and spent a 2nd round pick only to trade him a few years later for a 5th rounder.

 

 

Yeah, he is. You don't think you're correct when you say that, but you are.

 

Pretending that geniuses don't make mistakes is butt-stupid. They do. Everyone - absolutely everyone - does. Geniuses make few enough of them that they produce excellent outcomes.

 

Beane has done precisely that.

[Beck Water]

53 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Top of market = finally a couple of quarters of semi-good tape on him but as you mentioned, on Cook’s long run Ford easily should’ve been flagged for an arm hold and he also got flagged for a hands to the face.  He’s a terrible football player and apparently had few friends in the locker room or the organization.

 

Yeah, Dion is typically positive about his teammates so his remarks in that Athletic article struck me as (by Dawkins standards) practically bus-hurling, even though superficially they were complimentary.  It's just that if you're complimenting a guy for being coachable and having a good attitude now, you're pretty much acknowledging that he wasn't those things before.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Georgie said:

Disappointing return for a 2nd round pick.

It's more than we got back for Cyrus Kouandjioo, Torrell Troupe or James Hardy.

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

This should be a lesson for everyone, including me. This is how the league works. Remember how we heard that Ford was having a good camp? The team was leaking good news to reporters, in anticipation of setting up a trade.

Is Moss next? They seem to be showcasing him and may just want to hold Blackshear

Edited August 22, 2022 by VaMilBill

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Why does it have to be one or the other?  Kromer seems to have improved his play.  I think Ford's attitude, that we learned recently,

shown the Bills do not have him in their future plans.

 

 

It was a bust pick by Beane.  There is no arguing that point.  He got a 5th for him and saved a few $s.

Is that bad, a 5th?  IF you were a GM or Coach (even on a Tuesday) would you have given a 4th?

I'll hang up and listen.

It’s not “bad” at all but nor is it “amazing.”

 

Off-topic but what could have been: a line with Schnowman Dawkins, Cody Ford, Mitch Morse, Wyatt Teller and Spencer Brown would’ve been the most Wild West-sounding o-line of all time.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[Bob in STL]

36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Moss is losing steam in whipping boy status I think 

 

Elam gaining steam

 

Edmunds holding steady 

 

losing Haack hurts but we will find a replacement 

Don't forget Taiwan moving up on the inside lane.  

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

The recent Athletic article with Dion calling out his attitude, pouting etc. I thought was striking.  Not a process guy apparently

Could you provide a link? I Googled and can't seem to find this article.

[Thurman#1]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It’s not “bad” at all but nor is it “amazing.”

 

Off-topic but what could have been: a line with Schnowman Dawkins, Cody Ford, Mitch Morse, Wyatt Teller and Spencer Brown would’ve been the most Wild West-sounding o-line of all time.

 

 

Not amazing? OK, fair enough, I suppose. A very nice move, though, IMO.