Deshaun Watson to be suspended 11 games via settlement

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Americans vs Europeans or the rest of the worlds view on sex is a lot different. Sex dungeons, live club sex, legal prostitution, and other non violent sexual acts are a lot more culturally acceptable there. 
Not saying what Watson did was a good thing, but it’s amazing to travel the world and see how much people would just generally shrug at this. 

All that's cool as long as everyone is consenting. Hell I'd go check out most of those, but the people in those circles pound consent even harder than the rest of the population, because it is in wild territory

[PetermansRedemption]

Watched the Watson press conference. Guy has absolutely zero remorse, not one iota. Here’s to hoping the Browns go down in flames. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by PetermansRedemption

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Texans are not contributing since they "enabled" him?

 

Edited August 19, 2022 by Limeaid

[JDubya76]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I've often wondered how many prison inmates are actually named Bubba.

Here in the south? Dozens

[Milanos Milano]

17 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

All that's cool as long as everyone is consenting. Hell I'd go check out most of those, but the people in those circles pound consent even harder than the rest of the population, because it is in wild territory

There are a lot of things that are of not of consent. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen men and surprisingly women do open sex acts on trains, in public squares, or in clubs without consent and nothing was done about it. People just tuned it out like it’s a thing. 

[Simon]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

There are a lot of things that are of not of consent. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen men and surprisingly women do open sex acts on trains, in public squares, or in clubs without consent and nothing was done about it. People just tuned it out like it’s a thing. 

 

So you've seen countless people being sexually assaulted in public and done nothing about it.

Awesome.

Stop posting in this thread.

Now.

[KDIGGZ]

35 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I must say, ESPN is keeping it way more real regarding the Deshaun Watson situation, compared to NFLN. I have watched both all day. 
 

ESPN is MUCH more critical of the Browns, and of Watson himself, for his obvious lack of remorse.  NFLN is not stating an opinion. They are treating it like any other suspension.  (Aside from Scott Pioli from what I’ve seen)

ESPN has to keep it real because of #metoo and the women reporters that would go bonkers if they didn't.

 

NFLN is the talking heads of the league so if they say sweep it under the rug they will do so. I find the most "real" reporting from the podcasts these days anyhow

[Ethan in Cleveland]

51 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I must say, ESPN is keeping it way more real regarding the Deshaun Watson situation, compared to NFLN. I have watched both all day. 
 

ESPN is MUCH more critical of the Browns, and of Watson himself, for his obvious lack of remorse.  NFLN is not stating an opinion. They are treating it like any other suspension.  (Aside from Scott Pioli from what I’ve seen)

Rich Eisen on his podcast/radio show has repeatedly blasted Watson and the Browns.  Of course that is while doing his show. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Rich Eisen on his podcast/radio show has repeatedly blasted Watson and the Browns.  Of course that is while doing his show. 

Eisen has been brutal towards Watson….deservedly so.

[MJS]

6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Americans vs Europeans or the rest of the worlds view on sex is a lot different. Sex dungeons, live club sex, legal prostitution, and other non violent sexual acts are a lot more culturally acceptable there. 
Not saying what Watson did was a good thing, but it’s amazing to travel the world and see how much people would just generally shrug at this. 

And how do they feel when it isn't consensual?

 

The same as everyone else does. It's wrong.

42 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

There are a lot of things that are of not of consent. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen men and surprisingly women do open sex acts on trains, in public squares, or in clubs without consent and nothing was done about it. People just tuned it out like it’s a thing. 

What is wrong with you? Leave and don't come back. You allowed rape to occur and you did nothing? You are disgusting.

[JoPoy88]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Eisen has been brutal towards Watson….deservedly so.

speaking of…here’s Rich today:

 

 

[Scott7975]

"We believe in second chances"... so we gave the kid a guaranteed 1/4 billion to make sure he got one.

[Alphadawg7]

Deshaun Watsons $230 Million guaranteed contract is now down to $225M and he is gonna be down 11 games.  Thank goodness he only sexually assaulted 24 women, could you imagine if he had done something really terrible like take a knee to protest unlawful police violence against minorities? 

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

speaking of…here’s Rich today:

 

 

Such hypocrisy.

[Scott7975]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Deshaun Watsons $230 Million guaranteed contract is now down to $225M and he is gonna be down 11 games.  Thank goodness he only sexually assaulted 24 women, could you imagine if he had done something really terrible like take a knee to protest unlawful police violence against minorities? 

 

I actually had that same exact thought while watching the videos... a guy that takes a knee is blacklisted from the league but a guy assaults woman on a regular basis, doesnt even believe he did anything wrong, and he gets a slap on the wrist.  I was never a Kaep fan but this is morally disgusting.

[Royale with Cheese]

43 minutes ago, MJS said:

What is wrong with you? Leave and don't come back. You allowed rape to occur and you did nothing? You are disgusting.

I like how he makes it a point that no one did anything about it but doesn’t mention himself as part of it.

[JoPoy88]

32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Such hypocrisy.

Rich doesn’t hide his disgust it’s great

[Beck Water]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Deshaun Watsons $230 Million guaranteed contract is now down to $225M and he is gonna be down 11 games.  Thank goodness he only sexually assaulted 24 women, could you imagine if he had done something really terrible like take a knee to protest unlawful police violence against minorities? 

 

The socks.  Don't forget wearing pig socks.

[Cray51]

I think most star QBs on big contracts would pay 5 million a year to get 11 games off....  Suspension seems about right, but $ fine is too low.  Needed to make it closer to 15-20 million, especially since he will be making 46 A YEAR.

 

Shoot, if you asked me to take 10% less to work half the year?  I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

[VaMilBill]

An additional item I hate on top of everything else in this situation is Watson now gets to get “revenge” on the Texans. I thought he should be suspended for a year, at least, but 11 games is odd. He shouldn’t have been afforded that opportunity and I wish Goodell took a stand at 12 games minimum. 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I was the one that called him out on what he was saying but this isn't even close to what he was saying.

 

@IronMaidenBills made a point from his perspective, although poorly, about how these things are socially acceptable in other countries.  

 

He made a point that the decision was wrong and Watson was definitely in the wrong.  @IronMaidenBills does live in a different world (assuming they live in Thailand or Vietnam or somewhere in southeast Asia) so I don't think offering their opinion about stuff that goes on in that part of the world means they agree with anything that is happening here (as they stated).

 

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Sometimes no. You get random people pleasuring themselves, but it’s a live sex place so you kind of just have to ignore it. I’ve had conversations with Vietnamese women and they says non consensual actions get flaunted all the time. Generally low assault like flashing, but rarely anything forceful. 

 

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Yes, as an American, but go to Vietnam or most other places and you will get that and more customarily. Not saying Watson isn’t scummy, but it’s amazing how much different this is when you talk all over the world. 

 

Not going to have an argument with you but look very carefully at what this guy is saying.

 

Vietnam has a known problem with child prostitution, sex trafficking, and forced prostitution.  So what exactly does it mean if the kind of thing Watson did is "socially acceptable" in Vietnam (and other countries like Vietnam - Thailand, Eastern Europe, etc)?

 

You do the math

[JoPoy88]

Just now, VaMilBill said:

An additional item I hate on top of everything else in this situation is Watson now gets to get “revenge” on the Texans. I thought he should be suspended for a year, at least, but 11 games is odd. He shouldn’t have been afforded that opportunity and I wish Goodell took a stand at 12 games minimum. 

 

11 isn’t odd when you factor in he needs 6 games for his giant guarantee to kick in next year as opposed to 2 years from now. The league caved, they should be ashamed.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, VaMilBill said:

An additional item I hate on top of everything else in this situation is Watson now gets to get “revenge” on the Texans. I thought he should be suspended for a year, at least, but 11 games is odd. He shouldn’t have been afforded that opportunity and I wish Goodell took a stand at 12 games minimum. 

I saw that too, it is being lumped into all the “revenge” games - Wilson vs Seattle, Baker vs Cleveland, Deshaun vs Houston. It’s tone deaf and stupid to coin that game that way. This whole thing is a brownsy distaster headed up by the lead circus clown jimmy Haslam. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

So I have been trying to figure out how to absorb all of this Deshaun Watson crap, because I really don’t think he should be allowed to play in the league until he shows true remorse, and demonstrates that he actually understands why what he did is unacceptable.  I also believe the Browns put football above human decency, by supporting him, despite his refusal to admit fault, or the willingness to change. 
 

 All of this pondering has lead me to believe that Cleveland really does not deserve an NFL franchise.  They have had decades that prove they can handle an NFL franchise, and have failed time and again.  That organization has no class, and needs to be re-located, or removed once again.   

 

Edited August 19, 2022 by buffaloboyinATL

[Beck Water]

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2022/08/18/deshaun-watson-suspension/

 

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There are two reasons that everyone was able to agree on the length of this suspension. The first has to do with Watson’s contract, as Austin Gayle of The Ringer points out.

 

Deshaun Watson needs to have full-play status in six games in 2022 to accrue a season. That's why the suspension is 11 games.

If it was longer, Cleveland would only have to pay $1M in base salary for Watson in 2023.

— Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) August 18, 2022

 

The second reason? Well, Watson’s first game back will be on Sunday, December 4, in Week 13, against the Houston Texans, Watson’s former team. The NFL did not want to miss that ratings opportunity.

 

Whatever you think Watson’s punishment should have been, the severity and multiplicity of his alleged offenses make this particular sentence look awfully light.

 

[UConn James]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I saw that too, it is being lumped into all the “revenge” games - Wilson vs Seattle, Baker vs Cleveland, Deshaun vs Houston. It’s tone deaf and stupid to coin that game that way. This whole thing is a brownsy distaster headed up by the lead circus clown jimmy Haslam. 

Anything to set up situations / storylines to try to boost viewer ratings. Shameless.

[JoPoy88]

42 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2022/08/18/deshaun-watson-suspension/

 

 

yes. It’s ridiculous. Mind you, if he was suspended 12 games or more (much more would have been the right thing to do) his contract would have tolled, but, he still gets $44mil and change this year in signing bonus. So with 11 games he’s losing practically nothing. Now, his $1mil base salary is chopped 11/17th. Wow, what a punishment. And the scumbag still claims complete innocence while the owner stands right next to him contradicting that. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

11 isn’t odd when you factor in he needs 6 games for his giant guarantee to kick in next year as opposed to 2 years from now. The league caved, they should be ashamed.

The six games requirement rumor being floated out there for the contract to kick in is not accurate.  As long as he wasn't suspended the whole season the contract would've kicked in this year even if he was suspended for example 16 out of the 17 games.  The confusion appears to be that six games is required for a qualifying year for free agency which doesn't apply to Watson.

 

The Browns pry would've been better off having him suspended the whole season as now they'll have a 54 million dollar cap hit next year instead of one million.  Good luck winning with that cap hit and no first round pick(s) for the next two seasons.  This seemed like more of a punishment of Haslam and the Browns organization as opposed to Watson.

 

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I saw that too, it is being lumped into all the “revenge” games - Wilson vs Seattle, Baker vs Cleveland, Deshaun vs Houston. It’s tone deaf and stupid to coin that game that way. This whole thing is a brownsy distaster headed up by the lead circus clown jimmy Haslam. 

all my life I’ve never wished to have injury on any football player (or any athlete really); it’s bush league and scummy. Not even Brady when he was stomping us. I am wavering with this guy.

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The six games requirement rumor being floated out there for the contract to kick in is not accurate.  As long as he wasn't suspended the whole season the contract would've kicked in this year even if he was suspended for example 16 out of the 17 games.  The confusion appears to be that six games is required for a qualifying year for free agency which doesn't apply to Watson.

 

The Browns pry would've been better off having him suspended the whole season as now they'll have a 54 million dollar cap hit next year instead of one million.  Good luck winning with that cap hit and no first round pick(s) for the next two seasons.  This seemed like more of a punishment of Haslam and the Browns organization as opposed to Watson.

 

that’s very interesting I have not seen that reported anywhere (but NFL media has been wrong about these sort of things en masse before.) so he would have needed to play only 1 game this season for the contract and its guarantees not to toll?

Edited August 19, 2022 by JoPoy88

[Doc Brown]

19 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

that’s very interesting I have not seen that reported anywhere (but NFL media has been wrong about these sort of things en masse before.) so he would have needed to play only 1 game this season for the contract and its guarantees not to toll?

As long as he wasn't suspended the full season the contract would kick in this season.  Common sense says that if he was suspended 12 games he wouldn't play five for free.

[BillsfaninSB]

27 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

all my life I’ve never wished to have injury on any football player (or any athlete really); it’s bush league and scummy. Not even Brady when he was stomping us. I am wavering with this guy.

that’s very interesting I have not seen that reported anywhere (but NFL media has been wrong about these sort of things en masse before.) so he would have needed to play only 1 game this season for the contract and its guarantees not to toll?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/a-full-season-deshaun-watson-suspension-may-have-been-better-for-the-browns/

 

They also debunk the 11 game theory. 

[BillsfaninSB]

31 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

This seemed like more of a punishment of Haslam and the Browns organization as opposed to Watson.

 

Maybe but I think the Browns would rather have Watson play as soon as possible to get the reps and put that circus behind them. 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Eisen has been brutal towards Watson….deservedly so.

 

And he was a big fan of him before and he has talked how he wants him to become a player he can be a fan of him again,

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Maybe but I think the Browns would rather have Watson play as soon as possible to get the reps and put that circus behind them. 

 

 

I'd rather him be available to play the entire length of his contract considering I'm paying him 46 million a year.  They're basically paying Watson about 30 million to do nothing this season.

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/a-full-season-deshaun-watson-suspension-may-have-been-better-for-the-browns/

 

They also debunk the 11 game theory. 

that’s great info thank you. Makes me think maybe, just maybe, the league was more amenable to a less than a season suspension because the other owners are clearly PO’ed at the contract Haslem gave him. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

that’s great info thank you. Makes me think maybe, just maybe, the league was more amenable to a less than a season suspension because the other owners are clearly PO’ed at the contract Haslem gave him. 

The NFL was afraid of what would happen if they didn't accept this deal, clearly. There are several owners with a whole lot of skeletons in the closet.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

The NFL was afraid of what would happen if they didn't accept this deal, clearly. There are several owners with a whole lot of skeletons in the closet.

 

They were afraid that Goodell's much trumpeted new discipline process which is protected from external legal process was going to be subject to external legal process. And Goodell didn't want the courts crawling over the extent of his powers again even if it is unlikely the courts wohuld have found in Watson and the PA's favour and reduced any suspension in this particular case. 

[JoPoy88]

7 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

The NFL was afraid of what would happen if they didn't accept this deal, clearly. There are several owners with a whole lot of skeletons in the closet.

absolutely. Snyder being exhibit A. With what he’s already been pretty much proven of doing, if he didn’t have receipts on the rest of these guys he woulda been Sterling’ed out of the league already.

[FLFan]

16 hours ago, Mickey said:

suspended with pay

He was not suspended at all.  He was on the roster and inactive on game days.  

[CSBill]

4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

all my life I’ve never wished to have injury on any football player (or any athlete really); it’s bush league and scummy. Not even Brady when he was stomping us. I am wavering with this guy.

 

I'm with you on this, @JoPoy88.