MJS Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Orton is the biggest kitty cat to ever play on the Bills. No one should ever mention that scrub who just stealing on last paycheck. He played pretty well for the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyhero68 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 BLEDSOE, FLUTIE and FITZ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Are there any other options to choose from? 🤢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Bledsoe, Taylor, Fitzpatrick Edited July 19, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I'd flip #1 and #2. Otherwise, agreed! I respectfully disagree. Fitz put up slightly more yards and touchdowns per game, but Tyrod threw way less picks and was one of the best rushing QBs in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 not Tyrod not Orton not Peterman not …. I think I’m doing this backwards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, gobills404 said: I respectfully disagree. Fitz put up slightly more yards and touchdowns per game, but Tyrod threw way less picks and was one of the best rushing QBs in the league. There aren't 2 more diametrically opposite playing style. Yes Tyrod was a better rusher, but not by much and Fitz threw a lot more INTs. Tyrod was far too conservative and afraid to take chance whereas Fitz didnt care much about the stats, he would do what he thought he had to to win, one of the reasons he threw so many Q4 ints when he would launch the ball to try win it in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1) Ryan Fitzpatrick 2) Tyrod Taylor 3) Drew Bledsoe There's no much separating these three from each other, but it's a considerable drop-off to the next tier, which would include, in no particular order, Kyle Orton, Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie and maybe JP Losman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: not Tyrod not Orton not Peterman not …. I think I’m doing this backwards Tomorrow I'm going to ask everyone to rank the 3 worst QB's in Bills history. 😈 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, MJS said: He played pretty well for the Bills. They averaged like 20 points/ game (I could be wrong but they have averaged more than with EJ that year or it was very close) and they had one of the greatest defenses in Bills history that year. no one will agree because everyone hates Whaley but if Allen on those teams, they were a SB team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yes Tyrod was a better rusher, but not by much He had the 2nd most rushing yards and 2nd most rushing TDs of any QB in the league during his time with the Bills (2015-2017). Fitz wasn’t in the same universe when it came to rushing. 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Tyrod was far too conservative and afraid to take chance whereas Fitz didnt care much about the stats, he would do what he thought he had to to win, one of the reasons he threw so many Q4 ints when he would launch the ball to try win it in the end. Being risky and aggressive is a bad trait if it rarely pays off. Fitzpatrick led 4 4th quarter comebacks in 4 seasons. Tyrod had 3 in 3 seasons and somehow managed to not throw a crap ton of interceptions. Edited July 19, 2022 by gobills404 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Flutie, Tyrod and Fitz in whatever order you want. There isn’t anyone else in the conversation (Orton is next). Please, please, please do not say Bledsoe. I posted his stats in that Tyrod thread. If you like 57% completion, more turnovers than TDs, 110 sacks in 40 games and a losing record, he’s your man. Don’t let the 8 game stretch fool you. If you do that, count that Trent Edwards 5 game stretch. Bledsoe was so bad but for some reason people remember it differently. No one has been given the benefit of the doubt more than him. He stinks. Edited July 19, 2022 by Kirby Jackson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Draconator said: Peterman. Everyone else is secondary. when you root for a team starting Peterman, it feels like everyone on the other team is playing in the secondary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Bledsoe, Fitz and Orton. Not a fan of either shrimp, Flutie or Tyrod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Flutie, Tyrod and Fitz in whatever order you want. There isn’t anyone else in the conversation (Orton is next). Please, please, please do not say Bledsoe. I posted his stats in that Tyrod thread. If you like 57% completion, more turnovers than TDs, 110 sacks in 40 games and a losing record, he’s your man. Don’t let the 8 game stretch fool you. If you do that, count that Trent Edwards 5 game stretch. Bledsoe was so bad but for some reason people remember it differently. No one has been given the benefit of the doubt more than him. He stinks. Somewhere Mark Weiler's eyes are smiling reading those words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Better career QB: Bledsoe Fitz Tyrod Better Bills QB: Flutie Fitz Tyrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 10 hours ago, extrahammer said: After reading through the Tyrod legacy thread (really makes you love the offseason) I woke up this morning wanting to fight by ranking the top 3 quarterbacks for the Bills between the Post-Kelly era and before Josh arrived. Curious how each of you would rank the Bills quarterbacks between 1997-2017, here are your options: Todd Collins Doug Flutie Rob Johnson (pro tip: this is not the answer) Alex Van Pelt Drew Bledsoe J.P. Losman Kelly Holcomb Trent Edwards Ryan Fitzpatrick Brian Brohm E.J. Manuel Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Kyle Orton Tyrod Taylor Matt Cassel Nathaniel Peterman Who are your top 3? Why do you want to torture yourself (and everyone else…) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Spiderweb said: Hard for me to go with Bledsoe since after his first 8 games as a Bill he was pedestrian at best. If you're referring to his Frankenstein monster like gait, you're correct. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I’ll take a crack at ranking them: Doug Flutie Tyrod Taylor Ryan Fitzpatrick Kyle Orton Rob Johnson Drew Bledsoe JP Losman Trent Edwards EJ Manuel Kelly Holcomb Thad Lewis Alex Van Pelt Matt Cassel Todd Collins Jeff Tuel Nathaniel Peterman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Flutie was a weak armed bum with “ small man syndrome “ on teams with great defenses and good rushing attacks. The only Bills QB I remember who was better at chucking it into the turf short of his receivers due to lack of arm talent was old Vince Ferragamo. Put wonder boy Dougie on the 2002 team and it’s a 4-12 season at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 11 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bledsoe, Flutie, Taylor. Honorable Mentions: Fitz and Orton. Dishonorable Mentions: Everyone else. Bledsoe was awful outside an 8 game stretch. Not sure how people forget how often he got sacked, threw INTs and generally looked bad during his time here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Flutie was a weak armed bum with “ small man syndrome “ on teams with great defenses and good rushing attacks. The only Bills QB I remember who was better at chucking it into the turf short of his receivers due to lack of arm talent was old Vince Ferragamo. Put wonder boy Dougie on the 2002 team and it’s a 4-12 season at best. This is agenda driven selective memory. In fact, in flutie’s first year as a starter the offense was ranked higher than the defense. I’ve never understood why the people that don’t like him are so over the top about it. Was for sure a limited QB. He was also a gamer that won plenty of games and made plays. Edited July 20, 2022 by Stank_Nasty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Draconator said: Peterman. Everyone else is secondary. Actually that is peterman throwing to the secondary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: This is agenda driven selective memory. In fact, in flutie’s first year as a starter the offense was ranked higher than the defense. I’ve never understood why the people that don’t like him are so over the top about it. Was for sure a limited QB. He was also a gamer that won plenty of games and made plays. No agenda. He made plays? Like throwing that pic in the EZ in the playoffs? People claiming he was the best QB during the drought have memories that might need some reprisals 😉 While I’m no R Johnson fan, RJ walked off the field with the win in Tennessee. Not your boy Flutie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 It has been a while, but we finally got an RJ vs. Flutie thread going! The next four days can not go by quickly enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I know Eman. IDC what others think as Flutie was not primarily in the drought era as we made the TN game because of his wins. If we remember accurately RJ was on his way to 0-3 when Flutie came in and rattled off a bunch of wins. RJ threw for what 160 yards in that TN game. Wade was an idiot for not overseeing the ST and remaining I. Their lanes. It doesn’t matter as we have Allen now so it’s a big who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 @machine gun kelly you’re not sucking me in! Go Bills! Go Josh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: No agenda. He made plays? Like throwing that pic in the EZ in the playoffs? People claiming he was the best QB during the drought have memories that might need some reprisals 😉 While I’m no R Johnson fan, RJ walked off the field with the win in Tennessee. Not your boy Flutie. Geez man. What are we doing here? Johnson got sacked 6 times and took a safety. He went 10-22 for 130 yds and no scores. He fumbled 3 freaking times and lost one…. Flutie was literally sacked 1/3 of the rate that Johnson was behind the same line during the time they were both in buffalo. If somebody is gonna use that sort of game for ammo against the other guy then it’s pretty evident there might be some clouded judgement. 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: I know Eman. IDC what others think as Flutie was not primarily in the drought era as we made the TN game because of his wins. If we remember accurately RJ was on his way to 0-3 when Flutie came in and rattled off a bunch of wins. RJ threw for what 160 yards in that TN game. Wade was an idiot for not overseeing the ST and remaining I. Their lanes. It doesn’t matter as we have Allen now so it’s a big who cares. It was actually only 130 yds and he got bagged 6 times. One of which was a safety. THREE FUMBLES…. There was a point where Johnson at one time was the most sacked qb, per drop back, of all time while in buffalo. Yet the other qb took about 1/3 as many sacks. i don’t get the Flutie hate. But the people that don’t like him, REALLY don’t like him and will warp reality to justify RJ in that game. and I agree that I don’t really consider Flutie one of the drought era guys even though technically he may have been there for a year or it Edited July 20, 2022 by Stank_Nasty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Oh god. You’re one of THOSE people. Johnson got sacked 6 times and took a safety. He went 10-22 for 130 yds and no scores. He fumbled 3 freaking times and lost one…. Flutie was literally sacked 1/3 of the rate that Johnson was behind the same line during the time they were both in buffalo. Flutie lovers always point to his leadership and his moxie and how he “ won games” for us because of it. My primary point is he didn’t win the biggest game he played for us. As I stated , I’m not a RJ fan and freely admit that the D won that game but Johnson still walked off with the win. Dougie didn’t against Miami. Fact My bigger point for bagging on him, ,in this discussion, is he couldn’t hold Bledsoes jock during DB’s first season as a Bill. If Bledsoe had the 1999 or 2000 D in his first year we are a playoff team. He was the best 1 year QB in the period under discussion. Flutie wasn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Flutie lovers always point to his leadership and his moxie and how he “ won games” for us because of it. My primary point is he didn’t win the biggest game he played for us. As I stated , I’m not a RJ fan and freely admit that the D won that game but Johnson still walked off with the win. Dougie didn’t against Miami. Fact My bigger point for bagging on him, ,in this discussion, is he couldn’t hold Bledsoes jock during DB’s first season as a Bill. If Bledsoe had the 1999 or 2000 D in his first year we are a playoff team. He was the best 1 year QB in the period under discussion. Flutie wasn’t. * the first 8 games of Bledsoe’s first season. After those 8 games he was 3-5, 9 total TDs, 14 turnovers and 24 sacks. He was not great his first year. He played a good 8 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: * the first 8 games of Bledsoe’s first season. After those 8 games he was 3-5, 9 total TDs, 14 turnovers and 24 sacks. He was not great his first year. He played a good 8 games. On a team that was playing the antipathy of complimentary football. He was forced to try to score always as the D made my grandmother’s sieve look restrictive. Passing : 3rd in First downs. 5th in passing yards. Rushing: 29th in attempts. 24th in yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: On a team that was playing the antipathy of complimentary football. He was forced to try to score always as the D made my grandmother’s sieve look restrictive. Passing : 3rd in First downs. 5th in passing yards. Rushing: 29th in attempts. 24th in yards. Again, that factors in the whole year and he had elite receivers. The 2nd half of the year, he accounted for 9 TDs and 14 turnovers!! That’s TERRIBLE. Bledsoe is remembered so fondly (and wrongly) by Bills fans because of an 8 game stretch. When you remove those 8 games he was atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 If we are talking overall quality of QB play over multiple seasons: Fitz - I think the best all-around QB the Bills had during the QB drought. Tyrod - yes, more successful than Fitz but just so frustratingly tentative with throwing the football that I could never give him the top spot. Bledsoe - Had the arm, but that's about it. Followed by NOBODY. For straight-up QB play, regardless of tenure: Flutie - Short time, but arguably the most exciting player of the QB drought. A winner, if nothing else. Fitz Orton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1) Fitz 2) Tyrod 3) Flutie Edited July 20, 2022 by Bob Chandler's Hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 19 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: If you're referring to his Frankenstein monster like gait, you're correct. 😁 😃 In part, but after his initial 8 games, his performance dipped considerably. Yet, I do love your anology of old lead foot...LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1. Fitz. 2. Fitz. 3. Fitz. 4. The rest of the bums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 10:03 AM, extrahammer said: After reading through the Tyrod legacy thread (really makes you love the offseason) I woke up this morning wanting to fight by ranking the top 3 quarterbacks for the Bills between the Post-Kelly era and before Josh arrived. Curious how each of you would rank the Bills quarterbacks between 1997-2017, here are your options: Todd Collins Doug Flutie Rob Johnson (pro tip: this is not the answer) Alex Van Pelt Drew Bledsoe J.P. Losman Kelly Holcomb Trent Edwards Ryan Fitzpatrick Brian Brohm E.J. Manuel Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Kyle Orton Tyrod Taylor Matt Cassel Nathaniel Peterman Who are your top 3? 🖕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 10:20 AM, Draconator said: Peterman. Everyone else is secondary. Your killin me Smalls! How is Tyrod even in this conversation. He did Nothing but pad his stats and make excuses. Not saying he was a horrible human so let’s back off that approach but as a QB be sucked. Flat out sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1. Bledsoe - for 1 year 2. Flutie 3. Fitz Tyrod gave it his all but had Rex as his HC. Losman threw a decent long ball that Evans could run down but he'd bounce a 10 yard pass Orton dropped to a fetal position with 1 yard left to go on a 4th down late in a game Edwards ran out of bounds for a loss rather than even throw the ball up in the final minute of a game on 4th and short ... cowards both The rest teeter on the edge of bad, awful and comedic. Perhaps this is why we are blessed with Josh now, we paid our dues... It is time to win it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) On 7/19/2022 at 10:03 AM, extrahammer said: After reading through the Tyrod legacy thread (really makes you love the offseason) I woke up this morning wanting to fight by ranking the top 3 quarterbacks for the Bills between the Post-Kelly era and before Josh arrived. Curious how each of you would rank the Bills quarterbacks between 1997-2017, here are your options: Todd Collins Doug Flutie Rob Johnson (pro tip: this is not the answer) Alex Van Pelt Drew Bledsoe J.P. Losman Kelly Holcomb Trent Edwards Ryan Fitzpatrick Brian Brohm E.J. Manuel Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Kyle Orton Tyrod Taylor Matt Cassel Nathaniel Peterman Who are your top 3? 1) Tyrod 2) Fitzy 3) Bledsoe 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: 1. Bledsoe - for 1 year 2. Flutie 3. Fitz Tyrod gave it his all but had Rex as his HC. Losman threw a decent long ball that Evans could run down but he'd bounce a 10 yard pass Orton dropped to a fetal position with 1 yard left to go on a 4th down late in a game Edwards ran out of bounds for a loss rather than even throw the ball up in the final minute of a game on 4th and short ... cowards both The rest teeter on the edge of bad, awful and comedic. Perhaps this is why we are blessed with Josh now, we paid our dues... It is time to win it all. How can you leave off the playoff drought breaking QB? Edited July 20, 2022 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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