Final Roster Predictions WRs

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

If it's critical, just tell him to fair catch the ball. 

But why should we hamstring ourselves? Wouldn’t you want the best returner we can get so we can actually get good return yards? All of that just to protect Crowder? 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

But why should we hamstring ourselves? Wouldn’t you want the best returner we can get so we can actually get good return yards? All of that just to protect Crowder? 

 

I can't see keeping a guy as a PR specialist.  Roberts at least did both.

[Big Turk]

Diggs 

Davis 

McKenzie 

Shakir 

Crowder 

Kumerow

 

I think they might keep 7 if either Austin or Hodges forces themselves on the roster...

 

If not, I think Crowder might be a surprise cut for either Austin or Hodges although I don't like that move. Crowder albeit hurt a lot is a very good WR in this league. Would not want to see him go somewhere else and put up 700-800 yards.

 

Stevenson gets stashed on IR

Edited August 9, 2022 by Big Turk

[frostbitmic]

Diggs

Davis

McKittrick

Crowder

Shakir

Austin

Kumerow

 

If they all come out of preseason healthy, this is how I see it.

 

Austin - If he wins the punt return job, he'll make the team, if not, he'll be gone

Kumerow - He's a bigger WR and a top special teams player

Shakir - This kid has McCoach and process written all over him, he easily makes the team

Crowder - He's a good WR but has been injured this Summer. In October he'll get injured and Hodgins will get the call. When Hodgins gets injured in November OBJ will be signed.

Hodgins - PS bound

Stevenson - PS bound

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Agreed on Shakir. I never advocated for him to go to PS. I’ve said I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets the IR tag, but I would doubt it because he can contribute right now. 
 
A lot of people think we will keep Crowder because we need a back up for McKenzie, but honestly I don’t think that is needed and McKenzie has shown enough to trust him. I don’t see how we have space for Crowder when we have other needs, like who is doing PR. I supposed you could keep Crowder and cut Tavon, but that would mean you are trusting a rookie in Shakir to handle PR in a big time situation. That’s a big ask. The only reason why I think Tavon has a sneak advantage to a roster spot is because he is a good punt returner and can play slot if needed. Something Crowder does not offer. 

I don’t see how Kumerow makes the team over Austin. If he does, who are you having returning punts? 

 

Now that I posted about Crowder maybe getting cut, just read one article about how well Crowder has done and is likely a lock!  LOL

[Milanos Milano]

15 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Now that I posted about Crowder maybe getting cut, just read one article about how well Crowder has done and is likely a lock!  LOL

Most of them have been playing well. Hodgins is listed as Davis’s backup. It’s going to be interesting to see what direction they go. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Diggs
Davis
OBJ 
McKenzie

Crowder
Shakir
Austin

PS Hodgins Kumerow (likely claimed)

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

If it's critical, just tell him to fair catch the ball. 

 

   Always have the Hyde insurance to take a critical punt.  Heck didn't he have that return in the Pats game in a less than critical situation as we had that game well in hand and could have withstood several gaffes if needed.  If we get to a do or die situation  they have options for max security. 

5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

So Hodgins has been emerging and is listed behind Davis on the depth chart which is an eye opener. Tavon is listed as #1 punt returner. There are going to be a lot of tough decisions to come I feel like when it comes to deciding how makes the roster for WRs sake. We only kept 6 WRs last year and 1 IR. Do you think we still go 6 or is this the year we go 7? 
 

Hodgins has really thrown a wrench in all this. I have to believe that Crowder might be a surprise cut, as I don’t see Shakir getting cut or PS designation. It’s possible he might get the IR tag. Especially if McD determines that he really wants a player like Tavon for punts or a Kumerow for ST. I honestly don’t know what they do now. 

 

   I think it's not as difficult for the coaches to make decisions on the roster.  They see the players daily and see the interactions they know who is a good fit and how well they fit in to the team.  They move on from players when the fit isn't there a la John Brown, Emmanuel Saunders.  Both of those players were a fit but both also had limited shelf lives due to age.  Few athletes can fight the age factor.  When they do it usually takes extreme dedication to keeping fit and good genetics certainly helps.  After all Josh wouldn't be Josh if he were 6'0".  He might still have his high iq and processing skills but he wouldn't be holding off Arnold with a stiff arm if he was Russell Wilson sized.  

 

  It certainly Is why you can sign a Von Miller to a long term deal at his age.  Yes it could backfire with a unforseen injury but his flexibility that he's developed with his training techniques helps limit those in fact I think Groot will benefit particularly in the techniques that expand flexibility to protect his longer limbs.  If he plays to a high standard and helps Groot, Oliver and Basham how to elevate their games while reducing injuries, then his contract is a bargain.  

Edited August 9, 2022 by AuntieEm

[Scott7975]

Whoever we cut or try to send to ps will probably end up on the pats. Both for info and because their receivers reportedly aren’t getting open at all. 

[hemma]

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Whoever we cut or try to send to ps will probably end up on the pats. Both for info and because their receivers reportedly aren’t getting open at all. 

 

I’m po’d already, just thinking about it.

[finn]

One option I didn't see mentioned here is stashing Shakir on the protected part of the practice squad. It may be Hodgins time to make the team. He would be a nice backup to Diggs and Davis outside. Keep Kumerow and assign Crowder to backup slot and kick return duties. Cut Austin. Stevenson doesn't seem ready yet, so IR or PS for him. Six receivers, with a quality backup in Shakir ready to be called up. 

[Back2Buff]

This team can keep 7 WRs with zero issues anywhere else.  We essentially keep an extra WR because we only have 3 TE/FB.  We could honestly keep 8 if they want to keep Kumerow for ST and cut Taiwan Jones.

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, finn said:

One option I didn't see mentioned here is stashing Shakir on the protected part of the practice squad. It may be Hodgins time to make the team. He would be a nice backup to Diggs and Davis outside. Keep Kumerow and assign Crowder to backup slot and kick return duties. Cut Austin. Stevenson doesn't seem ready yet, so IR or PS for him. Six receivers, with a quality backup in Shakir ready to be called up. 

 

You'd have to cut him first to do that and he'd get picked up and put on someone's active roster before you could PS him. Abd even then I think there is a limit to the number of times a player can be protected on the PS I think it is 3 or 4 times. 

[machine gun kelly]

Diggs

Davis

OBJ (mid November pick up)

McKenzie

Shakir

Kumerow

Hodgins

 

I think Crowder is a surprise cut.  He’s been hurt, has an injury history and been underwhelming from what I keep hearing from the best reporters.  Hodgins gets turfed to PS eventually.

 

The interesting debate Sal and Joe had yesterday was do we pick up OBJ now and have our team doctors and training staff work on his rehab in our world class facilities, or do we wait til November, but then compete with other teams like GB, the Rams, and KC for his services.

[Milanos Milano]

On 8/9/2022 at 8:55 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

Right now, this is what I think. 
 

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Shakir

Hodgins

Tavon 

 

If we do keep 7, I would rather keep Crowder than Kumerow. 

Who returns punts? Shakir? 

 

In my opinion, Hodgins pretty much secured a spot with his play. He’s been playing well. Shakir handling punts today pretty much answered my question. If Tavon doesn’t see the field over the next couple of preseason games, he’s probably getting cut. So that makes me wonder who would make it over him, Crowder? 

Today was the last straw for me with Kumerow. The guy had a key fumble and just can’t contribute enough on that side of the ball. I would not be surprised to see him get cut in favor of Hodgins. 

[JimmyNoodles]

I think Crowder is the final cut. Hodgins offers some size in the WR room, which is valuable. He showed a lot today backing up some of the camp hype from previous years. Time to go with youth. Kumerow makes it too because of ST. 

[947]

After today's game, there is no doubt that Hodgins is a far superior WR to Kumerow. It doesn't matter that Hodgins was playing vs 2s & 3s, Kumerow is not capable of doing that against any level of competition. If we keep a guy just for ST coverage over a more talented WR, I'll be pissed. Most teams make solid ST players out of their talented athletes, they don't pay guys just to do that. We've sacrificed depth for years doing this, it has to stop.

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, 947 said:

After today's game, there is no doubt that Hodgins is a far superior WR to Kumerow. It doesn't matter that Hodgins was playing vs 2s & 3s, Kumerow is not capable of doing that against any level of competition. If we keep a guy just for ST coverage over a more talented WR, I'll be pissed. Most teams make solid ST players out of their talented athletes, they don't pay guys just to do that. We've sacrificed depth for years doing this, it has to stop.

If Kumerow is the #7 WR so be it, but he better not be in the 6 WRs if that’s all we keep. I’d rather roll with Crowder than Kumerow. 

[Big Blitz]

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie 

Shakir

Hodgins

Crowder

Kumerow

 

 

Austin is a cut.  

[Richard Noggin]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie 

Shakir

Hodgins

Crowder

Kumerow

 

 

Austin is a cut.  

I'd cut Crowder from this list. OR I could be convinced to cut Kumerow, if they're keeping Taiwan Jones. (NO WAY they should keep both Jones and Kumerow. Which is a separate issue from WR depth.) Crowder doesn't offer much value beyond backing up McKenzie in the slot. Other guys at the bottom of the WR depth chart add more value to the roster. 

[gonzo1105]

If they keep 6 then Hodgins is out. If they keep 7 he’s in. 
 

Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, Shakir, Kumerow, Hodgins 

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

If they keep 6 then Hodgins is out. If they keep 7 he’s in. 
 

Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, Shakir, Kumerow, Hodgins 

 

I like you’re list, but I think Crowder might the one missing on musical chairs.  We are flushed at slot and starving at outside WR depth.  Hodgins might play his way into a job.  At least that’s what I saw yesterday.

Edited August 14, 2022 by machine gun kelly

[gonzo1105]

54 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

 

I like you’re list, but I think Crowder might the one missing on musical chairs.  We are flushed at a lot and starving at outside WR depth.  Hodgins might play his way into a job.  At least that’s what I saw yesterday.

if that’s the case I could see Slot guy cute, in this case Crowder and released WR outside signed 

[machine gun kelly]

15 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

if that’s the case I could see Slot guy cute, in this case Crowder and released WR outside signed 

I don’t think they are going outside unless it’s to secure OBJ and rehab him in our team facilities.  Hodgins stays on the 53 until OBJ is ready maybe in the beginning of November.  Then they move Hodgins back to the PS.

 
Seems like a logical move.  I’m betting OBJ wants to win another SB so he can market himself next year for a $17-20 mil. deal.  This year they can move $ around for a partial year with him and use that cash over cap thing that Andrew Brandt always talks about on his business of football pod cast.

 

Brandt is actually very informative and loved his Wednesday morning stint on Ross Tuckers morning show on NFLR.  He used to have him on W mornings at 6:30 am until Tucker left NFLR.  I never heard what really happened, but there were rumors he was fired, and also he left on his own.  His podcasts are pretty good as well.

[frogger]

If I had a surprise cut, it would be crowder.  
yesterday, Kumerow hurt his chances and Hodgins helped his.  I like Hodgins and think under different circumstances he could be Stevie Johnson year 3.  But can he play special teams?

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, frogger said:

If I had a surprise cut, it would be crowder.  
yesterday, Kumerow hurt his chances and Hodgins helped his.  I like Hodgins and think under different circumstances he could be Stevie Johnson year 3.  But can he play special teams?

Hodgins has to play ST in order to make the roster, I think. No matter what he does at WR in preseason, I think he's on the outside looking in.

 

it should be Diggs, Davis, Shakir, McKenzie, Crowder, Kumerow

[MasterStrategist]

I previously stated we'd keep 7, and been hammering that Shakir is going to be the primary backup outside, had listed this group prior in camp:

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Shakir

Crowder

Hodgins

Speedy

 

Only thing I would potentially modify is Speedy, bc he is now injured.  He was having a solid camp by most accounts, as well as Coach praising him.  I could still see us keeping him on the initial 53, then moving to IR (like last yr).

 

I disagree with everyone saying Crowder will be cut.  The slot role is EXTREMELY important in our offense, and think they will need him and McKenzie both this season.  Especially with Shakir likely to be getting snaps outside too.

 

As far as backup options at outside WR, hopefully @BADOLBILZ and @ScottLaw now see what everyone has been saying about Shakir (and Hodgins) compared to Kumerow.  There is a wide gap in talent/potential with them Vs Jake...who is squarely on the roster bubble, even b4 his fumble last night.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

I previously stated we'd keep 7, and been hammering that Shakir is going to be the primary backup outside, had listed this group prior in camp:

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Shakir

Crowder

Hodgins

Speedy

 

Only thing I would potentially modify is Speedy, bc he is now injured.  He was having a solid camp by most accounts, as well as Coach praising him.  I could still see us keeping him on the initial 53, then moving to IR (like last yr).

 

I disagree with everyone saying Crowder will be cut.  The slot role is EXTREMELY important in our offense, and think they will need him and McKenzie both this season.  Especially with Shakir likely to be getting snaps outside too.

 

As far as backup options at outside WR, hopefully @BADOLBILZ and @ScottLaw now see what everyone has been saying about Shakir (and Hodgins) compared to Kumerow.  There is a wide gap in talent/potential with them Vs Jake...who is squarely on the roster bubble, even b4 his fumble last night.

 

 

Hopefully you and some others saw why the rational people like myself on TSW have zero faith in Kumerow,   regardless of where McBeane have him on the depth chart.

 

I'm not sure how you came away from watching Shakir play well from the slot last night with the idea that he shouldn't be competing for the #1 slot receiver spot as the season progresses(knowing Lil' Dirty has never been given a job and not subsequently given it back).........but that Khalil should rather be part of the outside rotation instead.

 

Your confirmation bias is very strong.   

[MasterStrategist]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Hopefully you and some others saw why the rational people like myself on TSW have zero faith in Kumerow,   regardless of where McBeane have him on the depth chart.

 

I'm not sure how you came away from watching Shakir play well from the slot last night with the idea that he shouldn't be competing for the #1 slot receiver spot as the season progresses(knowing Lil' Dirty has never been given a job and not subsequently given it back).........but that Khalil should rather be part of the outside rotation instead.

 

Your confirmation bias is very strong.   

Classic twisting of words, as you've said countless times that Kumerow is our primary backup outside...which many refuted, but you further tried to use the 1st depth chart to reinforce that point.

 

For the past month, it's been complaining we didn't spend resources on offense and our backup options at outside WR were bad/Kumerow.

 

Point is Kumerow never has been our primary outside backup, and second, we have other talented guys that many posters had faith in Beane/staff they brought in OR had guys that would compete there (Shakir and Hodgins).

 

As far as Shakir, he will be used all over the offense.  Including slot, outside, hback.  We have alot of weapons to work with, which is what many have been trying to say to you all offseason (instead you insisted and worried Kumwrow is our backup WR outside, and lack of spending more capital on Wrs)

[Doc]

I see it being Diggs, Davis, McK, Crowder, Shakir and Hodgins.  Kumerow (and maybe Austin) to the PS or just gone.  McK and Crowder will be in the slot.  Shakir will seemingly learn every position and work outside mostly.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Doc said:

I see it being Diggs, Davis, McK, Crowder, Shakir and Hodgins.  Kumerow (and maybe Austin) to the PS or just gone.  McK and Crowder will be in the slot.  Shakir will seemingly learn every position and work outside mostly.

If Kum stays and Hodgins goes, I’m going to seriously start questions McD. Kum offers nothing outside of ST. 

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If Kum stays and Hodgins goes, I’m going to seriously start questions McD. Kum offers nothing outside of ST. 

Agree.  Especially with the "riches" in the secondary, I think we might keep 11 there (more than past yrs) which means we might only be able to keep 6 WRs.  Lewis and Benford can provide the ST support we need on the 53.

[BuffaloBill]

It’s looking less likely that Crowder makes the team.  Tavon Austin is also very much at risk.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Classic twisting of words, as you've said countless times that Kumerow is our primary backup outside...which many refuted, but you further tried to use the 1st depth chart to reinforce that point.

 

For the past month, it's been complaining we didn't spend resources on offense and our backup options at outside WR were bad/Kumerow.

 

Point is Kumerow never has been our primary outside backup, and second, we have other talented guys that many posters had faith in Beane/staff they brought in OR had guys that would compete there (Shakir and Hodgins).

 

As far as Shakir, he will be used all over the offense.  Including slot, outside, hback.  We have alot of weapons to work with, which is what many have been trying to say to you all offseason (instead you insisted and worried Kumwrow is our backup WR outside, and lack of spending more capital on Wrs)

 

 

So you are claiming that Kumerow wasn't starting outside last night.........that Shakir was?

 

I must have been at a different game.

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Hodgins has to play ST in order to make the roster, I think. No matter what he does at WR in preseason, I think he's on the outside looking in.

 

it should be Diggs, Davis, Shakir, McKenzie, Crowder, Kumerow

That depends on what they plan on doing with Taiwan Jones imo.  If they keep him, they can go with Neal and Jones as the gunners and Hodgins as the 6th WR.  There are a few different scenarios.  
 

I def think it would be to his advantage to be able to play ST, but I don’t think that will determine his fate.  I think his play in preseason and practice will. Along with Kumerows play.  If Kumerow has more poor showings as a WR, I think he’s gone.  

[Pete]

Diggs

Gabe

lil dirty

Shakir

Hodgins

Kumerow

 

Bonus-OJ and Crowder traded for draft picks

 

Tommy Sweeney makes roster over OJ.  Gilliam and Doyle become backup TEs, amongst other positions.  They versatility is why they land spot, allowing us to free up roster spot

 

and we sign Odell, and shelf him until playoffs

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Pete

[MasterStrategist]

28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So you are claiming that Kumerow wasn't starting outside last night.........that Shakir was?

 

I must have been at a different game.

 

Both of them did, Shakir/Kumerow and Crowder was in the slot on 1st series.  Appears you missed that. 

 

I personally don't take much stock in who starts a preseason game anyway.  I'm going off of practice reports, player/coach/GM interviews, and ability to watch players and try to project their role on our team this season.

 

You are certainly not lacking in the "self righteous" territory...as Coach would say, stay humble.  Beyond difficult to engage in a conversation with someone who needs to be right constantly, then changes the framework/focus of discussion when possibly wrong.

 

Good day, I can see this is a worthless cause

[billrooter]

On 6/15/2022 at 12:27 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

Give me your list predictions. Let’s see what the consensus is. 
 

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Crowder

Austin

Shakir 

Hodgins/Kumerow  the 7th WR battle imo. 

Ill go with Crowder getting hacked Shakir being the backup slot and both Kumerow and Hodgin's making it.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Both of them did, Shakir/Kumerow and Crowder was in the slot on 1st series.  Appears you missed that. 

 

I personally don't take much stock in who starts a preseason game anyway.  I'm going off of practice reports, player/coach/GM interviews, and ability to watch players and try to project their role on our team this season.

 

You are certainly not lacking in the "self righteous" territory...as Coach would say, stay humble.  Beyond difficult to engage in a conversation with someone who needs to be right constantly, then changes the framework/focus of discussion when possibly wrong.

 

Good day, I can see this is a worthless cause

 

 

You apparently don't take much stock in anything the organization actually does.......statements from the GM, depth chart, preseason game usage etc..

 

You just presume you know exactly what they think,  regardless of any of it. 

 

And btw if you don't want me to respond to your stupidity.........then don't tag me..........because that presumes that you do.

 

[Rico]

On 8/14/2022 at 5:11 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You apparently don't take much stock in anything the organization actually does.......statements from the GM, depth chart, preseason game usage etc..

 

You just presume you know exactly what they think,  regardless of any of it. 

 

And btw if you don't want me to respond to your stupidity.........then don't tag me..........because that presumes that you do.

 

You know it's pointless to argue with a master strategist, how can you possibly win?