Tua impressing in Miami

[John from Riverside]

If they were not playing in a sauna in Miami we win that game

[gordong]

11 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm not trying to be that guy. I know the Bills can beat this team that I despise, but I in no way think that it's a given. In paper and on the field they are almost as much of a menace as KC (I may regret that comment lol). It's the BILLS, KC and Miami in the AFC. I just can't take them lightly. 

Come on you seriously think they are even close to buffalo or KC...  come on man.  tua is an average QB....   that alone is a HUGE difference between these teams....

  Bills out played them in the last game and we had our entire starting secondary out of the game...  we just got Tre back on top of that...   Sorry just don't see it....  I know it the NFL and any given Sunday but these teams play 10 times the bills are winning 9 of them...   

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 How does Hill have 961 yards in 8 games, but only 2 Tuddys? Both came in the same game no less(Balt.). 

[gordong]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Let's see them come here in temperatures like the NE playoff game. Down 4 secondary guys(3 former All-Pros), 7 starters in all, start 2 rookie corners, lose one rookie corner and replace with a practice squad UDFA rookie, Waddle will need to be severely hobbled like Gabe was, lose another WR that gets some reps(Kumerow) and in the 2nd half be on their 3rd string Center and 2nd string RG & RT. Hill can only play a few plays in the 4th with frostbite(Diggs) and at the same time have their TE & #3 WR in the locker room getting warmed up(Knox & McKenzie). If they can still put up 497 yards, hold us to 212 yards and only lose by 2(But have several chances to win). Then and only then will I feel they belong on the same level as Buffalo & KC.

 

 

its hard to believe how many players we were down that day.... that is not happening ever again.  they are not a Super Bowl team...not in the AFC.  Chubb is a nice get for them but for me he doesn't move the needle much, if at all. they have 3 players from that secondary on IR now...   and who know how long Tua lasts before he get's another concussion. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Tua should just be quiet, he is more likable that way. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, gordong said:

its hard to believe how many players we were down that day.... that is not happening ever again.  they are not a Super Bowl team...not in the AFC.  Chubb is a nice get for them but for me he doesn't move the needle much, if at all. they have 3 players from that secondary on IR now...   and who know how long Tua lasts before he get's another concussion. 

 

 How big of an impact will the trade for Chubb make on Miami being able to win the Super Bowl. According to Vegas, none. +3,000 before the trade, +3,000 afterwards.

 

 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 How does Hill have 961 yards in 8 games, but only 2 Tuddys? Both came in the same game no less(Balt.). 

Because Tua underthrows him, so he has to stop to catch the ball. Waddle and Geseki get the resulting TDs.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

Because Tua underthrows him, so he has to stop to catch the ball. Waddle and Geseki get the resulting TDs.

 

 That sounds about right.

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

Tua is a Franchise QB in my opinion, but he is on oxygen support.

 

A. He is not a top 10 QB in this league. I don't care what 1 or 2 stats some of you just stare at

B. He is serviceable maybe 15th best QB in the league only because of the targets he has.

C. He is on Oxygen support cause if he gets one more bad concussion? that might do it for his career. 

[stinky finger]

This douche nozzle has some Russell Wilson in him. What a dick.

[TFBillsfan]

53 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If they were not playing in a sauna in Miami we win that game

In reality though if the Bills would have simply executed better the weather wouldn’t have mattered.

 

*Josh sacked and fumble at the 5 gave them an easy touchdown.

*Debacle before halftime which cost them a FG

*Failed 4th down conversion by Josh who shortarmmed a TD to McKenzie
*End of game debacle to not get out of bounds to kick a FG

 

With all that said it’s naive to think MIA hasn’t gotten better. It’s the NFL and if the Bills don’t execute they are certainly beatable. MIA coaching is better and they’ve put TUA in a scheme to be successful. Bills can’t afford  overlook MIA.

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, TFBillsfan said:

In reality though if the Bills would have simply executed better the weather wouldn’t have mattered.

 

*Josh sacked and fumble at the 5 gave them an easy touchdown.

*Debacle before halftime which cost them a FG

*Failed 4th down conversion by Josh who shortarmmed a TD to McKenzie
*End of game debacle to not get out of bounds to kick a FG

 

With all that said it’s naive to think MIA hasn’t gotten better. It’s the NFL and if the Bills don’t execute they are certainly beatable. MIA coaching is better and they’ve put TUA in a scheme to be successful. Bills can’t afford  overlook MIA.

 

They are our only loss this year there is no way on earth that the bills overlook Miami

 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

If they were not playing in a sauna in Miami we win that game

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.

 

 

[TFBillsfan]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They are our only loss this year there is no way on earth that the bills overlook Miami

 

Don’t disagree but some of my fellow Bills fans are of the mindset Tua sucks and they aren’t a real threat. 

[Amaru523]

1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm not trying to be that guy. I know the Bills can beat this team that I despise, but I in no way think that it's a given. In paper and on the field they are almost as much of a menace as KC (I may regret that comment lol). It's the BILLS, KC and Miami in the AFC. I just can't take them lightly. 

Our entire secondary was out, 2 of our D linemen were out, our center was out, then during the game we lost a WR, another DB, our backup center, another O lineman, and 2 of our WR's barely played the 2nd half because of heat sickness, and yet we still had every chance to win, but failed to execute, and only lost by 2. That tells me that a mostly healthy Bills team playing the Fish in non-sauna weather is a boat race. It will be in December.

 

Also, people talk about Tua's record as a starter the last 2 years, but no one mentions those opponents, they haven't exactly played a tough schedule. Other than wins vs Balt x 2, and Buffalo, they've beaten NE x 3, Jets x 2, Carolina, Giants, NO, Detroit, and Pitt. Buffalo x 2, Tennessee, and Cincy all beat them by double digits. 

 

If this Dolphins team was so scary, they wouldn't be +3000 to win the SB, they'd be more like +700 or something like that. Bills are +230. Nobody digs deeper into sports than Vegas oddsmakers, I trust them more than any talking head. Upsets do happen, but I wouldn't bet against Buffalo when it comes to Miami.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Amaru523

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He’s playing well. This is exactly what scouts envisioned. A Drew Brees like facilitator of the football. Point guard like. Good for Miami.
 

The rivalry is back! 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.

 

 

 

 I'll take the candy, you can have the nuts.

 

 

[Low Positive]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s playing well. This is exactly what scouts envisioned. A Drew Brees like facilitator of the football. Point guard like. Good for Miami.
 

The rivalry is back! 

You’re happy about this? The Pats had 20 + years to not worry about the division and as soon as we get good the Fins and Jets get good too? Seems to me that any Bills fan would be pissed about this.

[BillsFan692]

The jets are not good

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, gordong said:

Come on you seriously think they are even close to buffalo or KC...  come on man.  tua is an average QB....   that alone is a HUGE difference between these teams....

  Bills out played them in the last game and we had our entire starting secondary out of the game...  we just got Tre back on top of that...   Sorry just don't see it....  I know it the NFL and any given Sunday but these teams play 10 times the bills are winning 9 of them...   

I feel ya man. I watched too. I watched the Bills be the better team. I watched the Bills beat themselves. But the fact is the Bills also lost. Miami is a good team. I hate em but I'm just saying the game isnt as much of a given as it was in the past. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

You’re happy about this? The Pats had 20 + years to not worry about the division and as soon as we get good the Fins and Jets get good too? Seems to me that any Bills fan would be pissed about this.

I don’t think like that. I like the rivalries. Plus Miami still is chasing us. Jets chasing both until their QB gets settled.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Richard Noggin]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

The jets are not good

 

We can all agree that the Jets QB is not good. That's a gimmie.

 

Injuries to the OL and RB positions notwithstanding, QB might be the ONLY organizationally-unanticipated weak link. They've built a talented roster, minus the most important position in football. Which means they probably suck to play against. 

[BillsFan692]

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

We can all agree that the Jets QB is not good. That's a gimmie.

 

Injuries to the OL and RB positions notwithstanding, QB might be the ONLY organizationally-unanticipated weak link. They've built a talented roster, minus the most important position in football. Which means they probably suck to play against. 

Lot of football left we'll see where the jets end up in grand scheme... remind me a lot of those "good start 7-9" seasons the bills used to have.

[Ralonzo]

4 hours ago, gordong said:

Come on you seriously think they are even close to buffalo or KC...  come on man.  tua is an average QB....   that alone is a HUGE difference between these teams...

I don’t see Tua as average. He executes his one read at a high level. That, or the scheme gets his one read open all the time. But either way, take away his first option, and he doesn’t have answers.

[Captain Hindsight]

7 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

I don’t see Tua as average. He executes his one read at a high level. That, or the scheme gets his one read open all the time. But either way, take away his first option, and he doesn’t have answers.

Tua is better than we give him credit for and McDaniel is doing a good job scheming for him. I agree with the first read thing, I also think if Hill or Waddle was out for an extended period of time, the Dolphins would really struggle 

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

I don’t see Tua as average. He executes his one read at a high level. That, or the scheme gets his one read open all the time. But either way, take away his first option, and he doesn’t have answers.

Are you saying that he is below average?

[Ralonzo]

7 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Are you saying that he is below average?

 

He's above average doing what they ask him to do, which is drop back and throw it to the first read who may or may not be covered, but usually isn't according to scheme.

[Big Turk]

He puts up yards and stats, but in general is still "meh" far too often for me.  IMO, the scheme and tons of speed on the offense is making him look better than he actually is for now. He has definitely improved, but he still has a long way to go.  His best attribute is other teams seemingly don't like catching balls he throws right to them.

[FilthyBeast]

Just some more food for thought regarding Tua and the type of year he's having...Tyreek Hill is on his way not only to the best year of his career, but shattering the all time NFL single season receiving records.

 

So for those that still doubt Tua, keep in mind that Hill never had a season like this all those years in KC with Mahomes throwing the ball to him.

[L Ron Burgundy]

15 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Lot of football left we'll see where the jets end up in grand scheme... remind me a lot of those "good start 7-9" seasons the bills used to have.

Well 2 of their best guys are done for the year.  This year is toast for them.  They'll probably be good next year though assuming Breece plays roughly half the year.   Their last draft was excellent. 

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

Just some more food for thought regarding Tua and the type of year he's having...Tyreek Hill is on his way not only to the best year of his career, but shattering the all time NFL single season receiving records.

 

So for those that still doubt Tua, keep in mind that Hill never had a season like this all those years in KC with Mahomes throwing the ball to him.

Yeah people are stuck on Tua sucks.  While I don't think he's great he has improved considerably.   

[Scott7975]

25 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Just some more food for thought regarding Tua and the type of year he's having...Tyreek Hill is on his way not only to the best year of his career, but shattering the all time NFL single season receiving records.

 

So for those that still doubt Tua, keep in mind that Hill never had a season like this all those years in KC with Mahomes throwing the ball to him.

 

Hill with Tua 5.5 games 119.4 ypg avg

Hill with Bridewater/3rd string guy 2.5 games 121.6 ypg avg

 

Tua 305 ypg avg

Bridgewater 348 ypg avg

 

This was counting half a game each for Bengals because thats pretty much what it was.  This isnt to knock Tua.  He has played well.  Just saying... Hill didnt drop off and Bridgewater had even more yards passing per game than Tua.

 

 

Just a little more food for thought.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Scott7975

[Toyo321]

When you have a outside physician saying you should retire immediately because of the severity of his concussions that he has sustained and his diagnosis from these its not looking good moving forward,  the odds that Tua will make it the rest of the season is highly doubtful.  Especially with all the new rules just put in place by the NFL after his last TKO.  He is on borrowed time and I don't mean this in a negative way.  He was warned about his susceptibility to concussions weeks ago. 

 

We will see.... what happens.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Toyo321

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Hill with Tua 5.5 games 119.4 ypg avg

Hill with Bridewater/3rd string guy 2.5 games 121.6 ypg avg

 

Tua 305 ypg avg

Bridgewater 348 ypg avg

 

This was counting half a game each for Bengals because thats pretty much what it was.  This isnt to knock Tua.  He has played well.  Just saying... Hill didnt drop off and Bridgewater had even more yards passing per game than Tua.

 

 

Just a little more food for thought.

 

Interesting.  Thanks for making me aware of that.

I know Tua has improved but how much is him and how much is he a "Goff" in a system that is currently working well?

 

Miami has a good team.  I want to see more from them before I say how good they really are.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Interesting.  Thanks for making me aware of that.

I know Tua has improved but how much is him and how much is he a "Goff" in a system that is currently working well?

 

Miami has a good team.  I want to see more from them before I say how good they really are.

 

I think he is a decent QB but is limited in what he can do.  He is playing well but he has the best WR duo in the league, a very good TE, and a very good and fast back. McDaniels put together a nice system for him that take advantage of their speed on offense plus Tuas quick decision/release that he does excel at.  JMO.

[DJB]

Tua is a game managing QB. Not one that will ever beat you on his own

[BillsFan692]

8 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Interesting.  Thanks for making me aware of that.

I know Tua has improved but how much is him and how much is he a "Goff" in a system that is currently working well?

 

Miami has a good team.  I want to see more from them before I say how good they really are.

new coach 'new team' essentially not a lot of tape to go off of and I am sure the coaching/scheme has a lot to do with the success. 

Tyreek hill has always been WR1 IMO so it's no surprise he makes miami more dangerous. From the moment they picked him up I knew they'd be more dangerous. That said I think they have done a lot of 'wowing' against sub-par opponents and a lot of having to "come from behind" due to playing terrible for the first half of the game etc. 

Their best win is against the bills if you ask me and to be honest most people see that one as the bills beating themselves. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by BillsFan692

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Just some more food for thought regarding Tua and the type of year he's having...Tyreek Hill is on his way not only to the best year of his career, but shattering the all time NFL single season receiving records.

 

So for those that still doubt Tua, keep in mind that Hill never had a season like this all those years in KC with Mahomes throwing the ball to him.

 

 Hill just can't seem to find the endzone though. Almost a 1,000 yards and only 2 TDs(Both in the same game). Easily on pace for his worst season in that regard. That's a ton of yards for only having 2 TDs. It's either he can't find the endzone or Tua keeps under throwing him and allowing defenders to catch up and tackle him. I've seen enough of him this year to know the answer to that question.

 

 

[galept]

12 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Just some more food for thought regarding Tua and the type of year he's having...Tyreek Hill is on his way not only to the best year of his career, but shattering the all time NFL single season receiving records.

 

So for those that still doubt Tua, keep in mind that Hill never had a season like this all those years in KC with Mahomes throwing the ball to him.

 

I suspect Hill would have had better numbers in KC if Kelce wasn't gobbling up 1,200 yards year in, year out. But Waddle is having a great season too so who knows. Mahomes can pass completions to seven different players in a game though. As good as he is, Tua doesn't do that.

Edited November 4, 2022 by galept

[BuffaloBills1998]

11 hours ago, DJB said:

Tua is a game managing QB. Not one that will ever beat you on his own

6 Tds and over 600 passing yards is a lot more than game managing. Also he put the team on his back against the lions because the first 3 quarters their defense couldn’t stop a nose bleed. I think most of us here have to give him credit where it’s due, he’s changed for the better and has improved a lot compared to where he was his last two years. Also this season shows just how bad of a HC Brian Flores really was and how much he set Tua back. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

6 Tds and over 600 passing yards is a lot more than game managing. Also he put the team on his back against the lions because the first 3 quarters their defense couldn’t stop a nose bleed. I think most of us here have to give him credit where it’s due, he’s changed for the better and has improved a lot compared to where he was his last two years. Also this season shows just how bad of a HC Brian Flores really was and how much he set Tua back. 

People here took longer than this to give Josh his propers. GTFOH with this 

 

Let's see tooa do it for three years then we'll talk.