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Biggest weakness is the team reading and believing its own press, and not getting over their collective selves. 

 

All this Super Bowl talk can be dangerous to a team not accustomed to such air, as it can lull you into a false belief that your collection of superior talent will win out the day in the end, and you can turn on the intensity and focus when it's "needed."

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

I was good with Daboll leaving when in the wind game he called 1 designed qb run with the one of best running qb in football. On top of that, they left Mckenzie out that game and drew up zero motion or jet sweeps. That was an asinine game plan. 

I don't want Allen running the ball. He could easily turn into another Cam Newton. Getting hit by NFL players every week takes a toll on your body. There is a reason average lifespan of NFL RB is like 3 years. 1-2 designed runs a game is fine, but I don't want him running it 8-10 times a game.

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1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Leselie Frazier.  Its great that we blow out chumps and hang shutouts on marginal QBs but I don't trust this defense to get stops or make big plays against good offenses in critical situations.

 

I second this emotion.

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It’s a toss up for me. 
Pass rush imo is always the most important key to this team. I expect Von Miller might help that a little bit, but we really need one of the kids to flirt with elite status. I’d prefer it’s Rousseau. Pass rush helps cover up just about anything like corner depth or injuries to the safeties. 
 

Offensive playcalling… Get the run game in a rhythm. No more of this 3-4 carries in a half stuff. And I’m sure it’s been mentioned a lot but stop using Allen on designed runs. 

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Our top weaknesses last year:

  • Offensive Line
    • Williams: Pretty bad all year, especially when he was at tackle. I think he pretty much lost the Jags game for us. Isn't even signed to a team right now.
    • Feliciano: Got benched and couldn't stay healthy, now signed with the Giants I guess to be their center?
    • Ford: Not good at all. If he got cut, I don't think he would stick with another team.
    • Brown: A lot of potential but didn't play very well.
    • Morse: Good in pass blocking, not a good run blocker. The guards next to him have been pretty bad, so it is hard to judge him fairly.
    • Dawkins: Was pretty bad the first half of the year. I'll chalk that up to COVID.
  • Offensive play calling
    • Just weird for the first 3/4 of the year. Refused to run, refused to take underneath stuff. When they did choose to run, it would be up the gut for nothing. Tons of stalled drives which didn't make sense based on our talent. Didn't get McKenzie involved or Gabe Davis. Bad red zone play calling. Alternated between running Allen to death, or not running him at all.
  • CB2
    • Levi Wallace got picked on all year.
  • Defensive Line (Sacks and Run D)
    • Bills were middle of the pack for sacks. Considering the weak schedule we faced, the amount of cap/draft assets spent on the D-Line and the quality of our defense otherwise, this should have been higher.
    • Run defense was also middle of the pack. I think this is because the interior of our defensive line was all over the place. Star was in and out of the lineup, and Harrison Phillips wasn't a true nose tackle. Addison and Hughes also didn't set the edge well. Edmunds seems to always pick the wrong gap (maybe he's just doing his assignment, I don't know).
  • Punter
    • Haack stunk and was the worst punter in the NFL last year. He cost us the Steelers game with his slow as molasses release.

I think those weaknesses are the same as our current weaknesses, but we tried to address them:

  • Offensive Line
    • Jettisoned Williams and Feliciano.
    • Retained Bates by matching his offer sheet
    • Extended Morse (meh, but better than creating a hole at center)
    • Hopefully Dawkins will be better for the full season with no COVID
    • Hopefully Brown will be better with another year of experience
    • Signed Saffold to hopefully improve on Feliciano/Ford.
    • Hired Kromer, probably the biggest thing here!
  • Offensive play calling
    • Daboll has been replaced with Dorsey. Hard to know if this will be better or worse.
  • CB2
    • Drafted Kaiir Elam
    • Kind of surprised no vet CB added, maybe that will still happen...
  • Defensive Line
    • Jettisoned Hughes, Addison, Star, Butler, Harrison Phillips, Zimmer
    • Added Von Miller, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson, Jones and Settle
  • Punter
    • Drafted Araiza. He'll still need to beat our Haack in camp

TLDR:

  • Will rookie Elam be better than veteran Wallace?
  • Will Saffold/Bates be better than Mongo/Williams?
  • Will Dorsey be better than Daboll?
  • Will Von Miller/Lawson be better than Hughes/Addison?
  • Will Jones/Settle/J. Phillips be better than Star/H. Phillips/Zimmer?
  • Will Kromer be better than Bobby Johnson?
  • Will Araiza be better than Haack?
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11 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Biggest weakness is the team reading and believing its own press, and not getting over their collective selves. 

 

All this Super Bowl talk can be dangerous to a team not accustomed to such air, as it can lull you into a false belief that your collection of superior talent will win out the day in the end, and you can turn on the intensity and focus when it's "needed."

 

 

 

 

Normally I would agree with you but 13 seconds was a big slap in the face for them. Besides McDermott always preaches the one game at time and respect your opponent type of mentality.

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1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

What is this teams biggest weakness this year?

 

CB depth/talent?

Offensive Line?

Coaching?

 

If our season doesn't go as planned what will be the culprit? 

 

CB Depth,  Pass rush pressure, lack of a dominating ground game.

 

Just look at the KC playoff game.  The defense had none of that, and the offense was pedestrian on the ground.

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Not sure if I'd call it a weakness, but certainly a big question mark is the ability for the coordinators to show flexibility/creativity.

 

This defense now has a few pieces that don't necessarily fall into the normal Frazier/McDermott style defense that we've seen so far in Buffalo. Miller, Bernard, Elam, Settle. These are different types of guys that would allow a DC to get creative. Is Frazier willing to do that, or is he a conservative guy who is set in his ways?

 

The offense now has personnel to run 2 tight end sets, empty backfield with Cook motioning out wide, etc. Will Dorsey be creative, or will he feel the need to be Daboll 2.0 since they had success in the past?

 

McDermott, to me, has shown a growth mindset (willingness to self-evaluate and change) so I'm not so worried about him. I don't know if Dorsey and Frazier have the same mentality.

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1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Leslie Frazier.  Its great that we blow out chumps and hang shutouts on marginal QBs but I don't trust this defense to get stops or make big plays against good offenses in critical situations.

I couldn't agree more. My 2nd concern would be starting MLB and my 3rd would be expecting Taron Johnson to tackle Henry, Taylor and any other big back. Hopefully, they'll have enough sense to go 4-3 and adjust to individual opponents.

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On Defense:

1. Physicality up front

2. Lack of front 4 pass rush

3. Corner speed (without Tre)

 

On Offense:

1. Lack of balanced attack (albeit mich improved in playoffs, this was on Daboll) & redzone offense.

2. More YAC/playmakers

3. OL play

 

On defense:

1. they attacked FA to improve the top 2 areas.  Very showing that they let 4 prominent P/T guys go.  

2. Von brings an entire different dynamic to our pass rush, hopefully helping Oliver too.  But agree with posters saying we need 1 of our 3 young guys to take a big step.

3.  Elam brings speed at corner and offers alot of different coverage options.  I think this will be a great area of strength once Tre is back.

 

On offense...

1. Daboll always had a way to frustrate me, more than impress, with how he ran his offense.  Yes, playoffs was fire, but he was also conservative on a few drives to start 2nd half in the KC game that hurt us. Dorset is an unknown, but hopefully he along with the additions of Howard, Cook, and others will allow us to be more balanced, and lead to more consistent results.

 

2. the additions of Cook/Crowder/Howard/Shakir >>>>> Breida/Beas/Sweeney/Sanders.  We needed more Yac and someone other than Diggs/Josh to be top contributors.   It also took forever to get McKenzie and Davis more involved in the offense, that alone should help this year

 

3. OL: can't say we did alot, which may be ok and again probably my least concern.  But will say Saffold >>>> Williams, OL continuity is a great thing, Bates helped our OL click toward end of year, and bringing back Kromer should only help.  I'm hopeful for players such as: Brown, Bates, and Ford (yes him too).  My biggest concern is backup C, maybe Mancz is good enough to be the man, but I don't like the idea of Bates being the backup there.

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree with all of this except Ereck Flowers 🤢


I know he stunk as a tackle, but he improved each year as a guard.

Here's an article talking about his much improved play with Washington, including some links to Brian Baldinger's cutups and praise of Flowers.

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/25/nfl-analyst-brian-baldinger-has-high-praise-for-washington-guard-ereck-flowers/

And here's a graph showing his pass protection grade each week over the course of his career.

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And finally, I know how everyone feels about PFF, but Flowers graded out higher at LG last season than EITHER of the Bills' current starting guards. 

Flowers had a 72.0, Bates a 64.3, and Saffold a 69.3.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ereck-flowers/9442

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ryan-bates/28300

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/rodger-saffold/5558


All in all, I don't think Flowers is much worse than the two guards we plan to start. He may be on par with or better than both. At the very least, he's better than Greg Mancz and post-achilles injury Ike Boettger.

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2 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

I don't want Allen running the ball. He could easily turn into another Cam Newton. Getting hit by NFL players every week takes a toll on your body. There is a reason average lifespan of NFL RB is like 3 years. 1-2 designed runs a game is fine, but I don't want him running it 8-10 times a game.

They ran him a lot in other games where it wasnt necessary. This game, it was completely necessary. 

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2 hours ago, Logic said:


I know he stunk as a tackle, but he improved each year as a guard.

Here's an article talking about his much improved play with Washington, including some links to Brian Baldinger's cutups and praise of Flowers.

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/25/nfl-analyst-brian-baldinger-has-high-praise-for-washington-guard-ereck-flowers/

And here's a graph showing his pass protection grade each week over the course of his career.

FSekQpYXwAAFbph?format=png&name=large


And finally, I know how everyone feels about PFF, but Flowers graded out higher at LG last season than EITHER of the Bills' current starting guards. 

Flowers had a 72.0, Bates a 64.3, and Saffold a 69.3.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ereck-flowers/9442

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ryan-bates/28300

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/rodger-saffold/5558


All in all, I don't think Flowers is much worse than the two guards we plan to start. He may be on par with or better than both. At the very least, he's better than Greg Mancz and post-achilles injury Ike Boettger.

 

Nah. He sucks. Even last year when I watched him he sucked. 

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The biggest ?marks?, not yet Weaknesses are the O-line development, as Dorsey will likely want a run threat to make Josh even more dangerous. Also, can Sean improve in game decisions as he has been reluctant to put the pedal down while protecting leads. Sean, coach this team as if you believe they're great. Stop coaching not to lose.

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I'm very confident in our starters, but we have aome positions that have a concerning lack of depth

 

Backup QB:

Keenum is a big step down from Trubisky. Barkley has been terrible anytime he's had to play. I'm surprised we don't have a development qb with upside.

 

Offensive line depth: Cody Ford and Tommy Doyle aren't capable starters yet could be forced into starting roles with a single injury 

 

Safety Depth:

Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin are unknown quantities and we have no veteran depth 

 

Cornerback Depth: 

Tre might not be back week 1 and we need to add veteran depth. We play almost 100% in nickel so this is even more important for our defense.

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5 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

What is this teams biggest weakness this year?

 

CB depth/talent?

Offensive Line?

Coaching?

 

If our season doesn't go as planned what will be the culprit? 

Edmunds hands down!

4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Don't you think Beane addressed this ?  I'm as big an Edmunds critic as anyone, and his run defense is awful. But the DL run defense on paper looks better.

Edmunds is a liability in the run game because he  makes initial contact  5 yards on OUR side of LOS. However, his coverage ability is liability. Absolutely  no sense of space. He gets abused by QB's and TE'S

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5 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

I think our biggest weakness is stopping the run. How many times on 3rd and whatever do we get gashed for 15 plus yards.

 

Third and whatever? 

 

How many times? Tell us. If it's a lot, you're right. I'm guessing you're wrong.

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1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

Biggest weakness is interior OL and OL depth in general.  This is the only area that was not adequately addressed unless Saffold has a good year and there are no major injuries.  
 

 

How do you know it wasn’t adequately addressed? Cuz we didn’t sign high priced free agents or Draft a Guard in the 1st Round? Imo, if we did, our Practice Squad OL would be poached by mid season. Our OL is good enough to be among the very best offenses in the League. No QB is better from or out of the pocket and no QB is more dangerous running the ball. He’s also pretty damn good when he has all day to find an open receiver, which happens regularly.

 

We’re fine. There are no glaring weaknesses on this team.

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19 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

How do you know it wasn’t adequately addressed? Cuz we didn’t sign high priced free agents or Draft a Guard in the 1st Round? Imo, if we did, our Practice Squad OL would be poached by mid season. Our OL is good enough to be among the very best offenses in the League. No QB is better from or out of the pocket and no QB is more dangerous running the ball. He’s also pretty damn good when he has all day to find an open receiver, which happens regularly.

 

We’re fine. There are no glaring weaknesses on this team.

I feel so much better now.  Thx. 

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24 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

How do you know it wasn’t adequately addressed? Cuz we didn’t sign high priced free agents or Draft a Guard in the 1st Round? Imo, if we did, our Practice Squad OL would be poached by mid season. Our OL is good enough to be among the very best offenses in the League. No QB is better from or out of the pocket and no QB is more dangerous running the ball. He’s also pretty damn good when he has all day to find an open receiver, which happens regularly.

 

We’re fine. There are no glaring weaknesses on this team.

 

Well - the oline wasn't very good last year.  We're counting on development more than anything else.  


Spencer Brown is now a starter whithout daryl williams behind him for depth.  Bates is now a starter without feliciano behind him.  Bates also is now likely playing RG, where he has limited playing time.  

 

Feliciano and Williams gone as other options.  Boettger won't be ready to start the season.  Ford is not a good player.  Neither is Hart.  Who knows about Doyle.

 

I get that they don't need to be like good players that you've heard of - they are backups.  But the ones that I've seen are pretty bad.

 

Beyond that, are we sure the starters are good?  Brown struggled a ton last year.  Love the attitude, but the penalties and pass pro issues could become a problem.  Bates is switching sides and has like 300 career snaps.  Saffolds never been an impressive pass protector.  

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6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I think Allen made Daboll, not the inverse.

Gotta give Daboll more credit than this. I continue to feel that Josh doesn't become the Josh he is on many other teams. Daboll had a lot to do with that.

 

Josh's drive and work ethic certainly mattered alot, but I think Daboll had a lot of influence in that too.

 

More Josh than Daboll, but certainly some Daboll.

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6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I think Allen made Daboll, not the inverse.

Ironic that I’m reading this only minutes after NFL Network talking about Dabol’s achievement as O coordinator and citing Allen’s success.  The feature was considering if Dabol can do the same with D Jones.
I had that exact thought as you that Allen was more responsible for Dabol’s success than the other way around. 
 

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34 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Well - the oline wasn't very good last year.  We're counting on development more than anything else.  


Spencer Brown is now a starter whithout daryl williams behind him for depth.  Bates is now a starter without feliciano behind him.  Bates also is now likely playing RG, where he has limited playing time.  

 

Feliciano and Williams gone as other options.  Boettger won't be ready to start the season.  Ford is not a good player.  Neither is Hart.  Who knows about Doyle.

 

I get that they don't need to be like good players that you've heard of - they are backups.  But the ones that I've seen are pretty bad.

 

Beyond that, are we sure the starters are good?  Brown struggled a ton last year.  Love the attitude, but the penalties and pass pro issues could become a problem.  Bates is switching sides and has like 300 career snaps.  Saffolds never been an impressive pass protector.  

Terrible take. Why are you spending time being concerned about players who weren’t good enough to stay here? At this rate, you’re better off finding another team to pull for 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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7 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

What is this teams biggest weakness this year?

 

CB depth/talent?

Offensive Line?

Coaching?

 

If our season doesn't go as planned what will be the culprit? 

All of the above!

 

The season opener the Bills face the rams with Cooper Kupp, Matt Stafford which might be a very daunting task for the Buffalo secondary. 

Again, in this first game we will see how well that offensive line holds up against Aaron Donald & Co. 

Me, I'm not sold that the Bills O line is as good as it could be. 

 

Probably my biggest concern is with the Buffalo defense in stopping the run.

 

The Bills should find out early if the run defense is good enough as they face the Colts in pre season, week one. 

 

The AFC East division.

The New England Patriots who love to run the ball to set up their passing game. They have some really good RBs and drafted another in the 4th this year.

The NY Jets drafted RB Breece Hall which many Bills fans were clamoring about. He along with Michael Carter could pose a big problem.  

The Miami Dolphins hired the 49ers run game coordinator in Mike McDaniel's! Who we know will want to build a power run scheme like he ran in SF.

 

Of the first six games, The Titans week 2, Dolphins week 3, Ravens week 4, Steelers week 5. will all work that run game.

 

Lastly, coaching!

If we see a repeat of a team run the ball like the Colts did last season against the Bills, 46 rushes for 246 yards, 4 TDs. They played keep the ball away by running it. With Carson Wentz at QB 🤢

Or, the 13 seconds fiasco with the Buffalo secondary guarding the sidelines and leaving the middle open.

Or, as in the Tampa Bay game in which the Bills MLBer was covering a WR...TD, end of game in OT! 

Buffalo might have had the #1 defensive stats...top defenses don't give up 552 yards of offense in a playoff game.

Same crap or have things been fixed? 

 

Not to mention the Bills have a new OC and will he be as good or better?

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1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

Ironic that I’m reading this only minutes after NFL Network talking about Dabol’s achievement as O coordinator and citing Allen’s success.  The feature was considering if Dabol can do the same with D Jones.
I had that exact thought as you that Allen was more responsible for Dabol’s success than the other way around. 
 

Funny you say this. I spoke to someone that works part time for the Giants, just this past week. He mentioned this exact thing. Said Daboll was going to do for Jones what he did for Allen.

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6 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Absolutely agree and pretty obvious imo. Can't see anyone arguing with that for the most part. Had some good plays here and there from Daboll, but I would guess many of those plays don't succeed without Allen.

 

That being said.....I will go with run stopping as biggest weakness, or at least it was. Although I do believe that will improve this upcoming season with the addition of new meats on the DL. Least I hope anyways

If stopping run is our biggest weakness, the team will have been built exactly as it should. Nobody is going to be able to keep up with this offense by running.

 

The run first teams we lost to last year were when our OL was a mess. Dawkins has covid. Bates hadn't been found. Daryl looked like a shell of the previous year, leading to rookie starting.

We have Beach Chairs, added some vets and better continuity

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7 hours ago, teef said:

i think herpes is the only thing that can bring this to a screeching halt.  

Speaking of the ol herp, you ever notice that area right above her top lip sometimes? It can be more noticeable some days than others? I have always wondered if she got the herp

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4 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

If stopping run is our biggest weakness, the team will have been built exactly as it should. Nobody is going to be able to keep up with this offense by running.

 

The run first teams we lost to last year were when our OL was a mess. Dawkins has covid. Bates hadn't been found. Daryl looked like a shell of the previous year, leading to rookie starting.

We have Beach Chairs, added some vets and better continuity

Yeah I see your point. I was going with those big chunk runs from last season mainly. Teams will still run though, until they can't anyways. They will early in the game though

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10 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Funny you say this. I spoke to someone that works part time for the Giants, just this past week. He mentioned this exact thing. Said Daboll was going to do for Jones what he did for Allen.

I believe Dabol did a good job as coordinator. But he can thank Beane and McD for putting the pieces in place to allow him to shine. Allen gave him a versatile weapon that allowed him to be far more creative than he could have been with a less athletic man under center. 

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32 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

All of the above!

 

The season opener the Bills face the rams with Cooper Kupp, Matt Stafford which might be a very daunting task for the Buffalo secondary. 

Again, in this first game we will see how well that offensive line holds up against Aaron Donald & Co. 

Me, I'm not sold that the Bills O line is as good as it could be. 

 

Probably my biggest concern is with the Buffalo defense in stopping the run.

 

The Bills should find out early if the run defense is good enough as they face the Colts in pre season, week one. 

 

The AFC East division.

The New England Patriots who love to run the ball to set up their passing game. They have some really good RBs and drafted another in the 4th this year.

The NY Jets drafted RB Breece Hall which many Bills fans were clamoring about. He along with Michael Carter could pose a big problem.  

The Miami Dolphins hired the 49ers run game coordinator in Mike McDaniel's! Who we know will want to build a power run scheme like he ran in SF.

 

Of the first six games, The Titans week 2, Dolphins week 3, Ravens week 4, Steelers week 5. will all work that run game.

 

Lastly, coaching!

If we see a repeat of a team run the ball like the Colts did last season against the Bills, 46 rushes for 246 yards, 4 TDs. They played keep the ball away by running it. With Carson Wentz at QB 🤢

Or, the 13 seconds fiasco with the Buffalo secondary guarding the sidelines and leaving the middle open.

Or, as in the Tampa Bay game in which the Bills MLBer was covering a WR...TD, end of game in OT! 

Buffalo might have had the #1 defensive stats...top defenses don't give up 552 yards of offense in a playoff game.

Same crap or have things been fixed? 

 

Not to mention the Bills have a new OC and will he be as good or better?

All your comments on coaching, I disagree with:

1. Colts game: was more about our lack of physicality. No coincidence we basically turned over the entire dline in 1 offseason.

 

2. 13 seconds: alot went wrong, but if you want to point a finger at coaching, then let's start with the ST coordinator....now gone.  Next, looking at how we aligned to defend the chiefs, no way Wallace played his position correctly or Milano was out of position.  I'd put that on players.  If anything, I would have ran a 3 man line and brought in Neal as an extra DB...thats the only mistake I could see, no saying that would have worked though.

 

3. TB OT game: our defense shut them down most of that 2nd half.  It wasn't Edmunds role to play that WR 1-1 on that play, he scraped off his "man" making it appear like it was.   TB executed well and caught us in a look, I'm not blaming the staff after they made great adjustments throughout.

 

I'm in the camp thinking we had an "average" dline last year...at times good, other times they were a liability.  Coaches schemed ways to make this a #1 unit, plus below average competition at several points helped too.  Let's see what happens with the makings of a more well-rounded defensive group.

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Sheer number of tough games in a brutal conference. What is their focus going to be like from game to game? Cannot half ass games as they did a few times last season with this schedule this year

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7 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

McDermott is the weakest link in this chain.


Has been for some time.

 

 

 

So you are saying the Bills are this good despite McD. 

8 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Coaching, IMO, is the limiting factor on this team. If they stay out of the weeds, they're pretty unstopppable

 

 

Why not just roll with no coach.  Save some money.  If it fails blame Edwards next. 

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