Different field goal holder?

[JMM]

7 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Bring back Bobby Chandler!

 Boy are you aging yourself, but I agree! 🙂

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Offside Number 76 said:

 

I'm a big fan of using the backup QB to hold for kicks.  It opens up all sorts of possibilities.

 

 

Yes, but as pointed out, the most important thing is correctly hold on FG kicks. This suffers when another guy is used. Practice time goes down a lot.

 

There's a reason every team in the league does this.

[TuelTime]

At the end of this season when Araiza has 0 punt attempts and Bass has 100% FG percentage, can we change his nickname to "Holding Deity"?

[Desert Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

CAN WE ALL TAKE A SECOND AND PAUSE... SERIOUSLY. STOP WHAT YOURE DOING AND LET THIS STEEP.

 

Our current biggest hole on the roster, is the FG Holder 😆😆

 

This is like hearing Paris Hilton complaining that she had to drink a Dasani once lol glorious magnificence

Ease up dude…not saying it is the biggest hole. Do you really want just another thread on CB’s, Interior linemen or Edmunds? Thought this was an interesting conversation. If you’re not interested - just keep scrolling…

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Do you really want just another thread on CB’s, Interior linemen or Edmunds?

Well, it has been a while.

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, freddyjj said:

As mentioned here and in other posts on this topic, there are likely no position players who have any experience as a holder.  You are referencing the NFL of 30-40 years ago with Reich and Tasker.  After Reich left Chis Mohr, the Bills punter was the holder for Steve Christie - so the switch to punter happened over 26 years ago.

Are you sure about that?

I’m pretty sure that Ruben Brown was the holder back in the 1990s. 
 

I know that I heard he led the NFL in holding. 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, unbillievable said:

People weren't concerned about Bojo's holding when he was here.

 

Even if he was horrible, Bass' accuracy only changed by a single missed FG when he switched to Haack. (82% to 87%)

 

 

 

 

First, percentages between years can't be exactly compared. Maybe he was attempting harder kicks one year.

 

Second, a 5% difference on more than 30 field goals isn't one field goal, it's between one and two.

 

Third, we can't know which miss/misses were caused by holder problems. Was it the one in the KC game in 2020 where we lost by 9.

 

In that game we would have been behind by 6 instead of 9 when we got the ball back with 1:56 to play. Needing a drive AND an onside kick and a field goal, we'd have had a much much better shot at a win if we'd made that FG earlier. Instead of having to throw the low percentage deep ball to Beasley that was intercepted, there was plenty of time to march slowly down the field. There's an extremely good argument that lost field goal lost the game for us. It wasn't the only thing that lost the game, but if we'd made it, we'd have been in it with a real chance at the end.

 

Was that one of the ones he missed because of the holder?

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Ease up dude…not saying it is the biggest hole. Do you really want just another thread on CB’s, Interior linemen or Edmunds? Thought this was an interesting conversation. If you’re not interested - just keep scrolling…

Actually that was sincere lol how fn refreshing right 😆😆

Went from. Wow we oddly hsve 3 awesome rbs and JAGs at every other spot to... holder problems lol we made it guys

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Was thinking about maybe the opportunity is there, to use one of our other special teamers: Kumerow, Stevenson, or Taiwan could take on the PK holder duties. 
I recall that Tasker used to hold at for at least a couple years? And Frank Reich did it too?

was just thinking if that is such a concern for “Punt God” , there should be other options…

 Does anyone on here know if anyone else on the roster have previous experience as a holder? I know some of you follow college football too…

 

12 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

Maybe Matt Barkley?

 

 

This again!!  I'd suggest you Google why don't other players besides the punter hold anymore for field goals and read just a couple of the dozen articles you'll find on the subject.  I'ts not 1990 anymore, rules have changed WRT practice time etc.

 

Yeah Matt Barkley hold, another great idea, then we can have 3 QB's on the 46 man active roster on Sundays just to hold.

[NoSaint]

12 hours ago, Offside Number 76 said:

 

I'm a big fan of using the backup QB to hold for kicks.  It opens up all sorts of possibilities.

like not being able to run your backup offense or defense through an effective practice 

[without a drought]

Someone should just tell Tyler to stop being so damn picky.

[BringBackFlutie]

I really have to be more empathetic and sensitive to the fact that not all people read this forum every day. 

 

....but it still iritates me that the same "new" ideas pop up like once a week.

[RyanC883]

who held at San Diego State?  

[Chandler#81]

14 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Bring back Bobby Chandler!

 

8 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Where’s @Chandler#81? He supports this idea.

I have a call into the Big Guy upstairs as I type. Not really holding out much hope. Bobby’s been Jesus’ holder since he arrived back in the 80’s 😇

[unbillievable]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

who held at San Diego State?  

 

#13 Jack Browning, the co-starting Kicker/Punter.

 

 

[dwight in philly]

7 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

 

This again!!  I'd suggest you Google why don't other players besides the punter hold anymore for field goals and read just a couple of the dozen articles you'll find on the subject.  I'ts not 1990 anymore, rules have changed WRT practice time etc.

 

Yeah Matt Barkley hold, another great idea, then we can have 3 QB's on the 46 man active roster on Sundays just to hold.

As for Barkley holding, it was just a thought , relax.. 

[3rdnlng]

10 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

who held at San Diego State?  

The entire offensive line. 

[Gugny]

On 5/9/2022 at 8:51 AM, GunnerBill said:

This has been done to death.

 

You're goddamn right, it has.  MY GOD.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

40 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

The entire offensive line. 

[Dan Darragh]

On 5/9/2022 at 5:09 PM, Dan Darragh said:

Bring back Bobby Chandler!

Perhaps the high point of Chandler's career: The Bare Facts Are He's A Star

[K-9]

On 5/9/2022 at 9:46 AM, Your Brown Eye said:

If they are going to carry 3 QB's then Matt Barkley can do it. He won't see the field as QB3, so get some use out of him. He knows the system, seems smart enough to pick up any new nuisances of the offense relatively quickly where he can also practice holding and placement of FG's.

If Barkley makes the team at all, it will be as a practice squad player who won’t dress and be available on Sundays.

[stinky finger]

On 5/9/2022 at 11:01 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

32 out of 32 teams do it this way for a reason

How is it that I’m right and everyone else is wrong?

[mrags]

On 5/9/2022 at 9:46 AM, Your Brown Eye said:

If they are going to carry 3 QB's then Matt Barkley can do it. He won't see the field as QB3, so get some use out of him. He knows the system, seems smart enough to pick up any new nuisances of the offense relatively quickly where he can also practice holding and placement of FG's.

Also, don’t they get an extra game day roster spot for a 3rd QB?

[bigK14094]

On 5/9/2022 at 11:07 AM, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

 

No one has experience because with the new practice rules - everyone uses the punter.

 

There is not enough practice time for any position players to hold.  FG, Punt, Long Snapping - all get practiced and worked on at the same time as the rest of the team is practicing.

 

When guys like Tasker or Reich held - lots of back up QBs held - because they had unlimited practice time so they could stay after and hold.

 

It will be just like every other team and the punter will hold. One of the backups will get a chance to hold in case of injury, but other than that it will be the punter.

 

 

Isn't AJ Epennessa the back up long snapper?

[Rochesterfan]

5 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Isn't AJ Epennessa the back up long snapper?

 

I don’t know if it is AJ, but they will have a regular roster player that will practice a couple of times a season and a few more than that during training camp/ pre-season in case of injury to the primary.  
 

So typically the Back-up QB will practice holding a few - the punter will practice FG kicks, the kicker will practice punts, other lineman will practice snapping, etc.

 

That is all done within the confines of practice as they work special teams, but you are talking about practicing it maybe a handful of times in the season - versus thousands of times for the starters.

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 5/11/2022 at 9:35 AM, mrags said:

Also, don’t they get an extra game day roster spot for a 3rd QB?

 

NO!

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

If our biggest weakness is the holder, I think we'll do alright this season.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

NO!

Yes!

[The Dean]

19 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yes!

 

Well, no. He right of course.

 

Plus when there was a roster spot for an emergency QB it was only to play QB, if I'm not mistaken. You couldn't let the guy play another position. And one of the other QBs had to be out for the rest of the game, I believe.

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Well, no. He right of course.

 

Plus when there was a roster spot for an emergency QB it was only to play QB, if I'm not mistaken. You couldn't let the guy play another position. And one of the other QBs had to be out for the rest of the game, I believe.

Thank you for more of an explanation than “NO!”  And because of this I started to look it up myself which didn’t take long. But honestly I thought the 3rd QB rule still applied and was more strict than I thought it was. Thank you for somewhat of an explanation. 
 

https://www.sportscasting.com/why-the-nfl-abolished-the-third-quarterback-rule/

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 hours ago, mrags said:

Yes!

 

10 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

Well, no. He right of course.

 

Plus when there was a roster spot for an emergency QB it was only to play QB, if I'm not mistaken. You couldn't let the guy play another position. And one of the other QBs had to be out for the rest of the game, I believe.

 

10 hours ago, mrags said:

Thank you for more of an explanation than “NO!”  And because of this I started to look it up myself which didn’t take long. But honestly I thought the 3rd QB rule still applied and was more strict than I thought it was. Thank you for somewhat of an explanation. 
 

https://www.sportscasting.com/why-the-nfl-abolished-the-third-quarterback-rule/

 

So the reason I just simply said "No" was because Rags I assumed you were being sarcastic.  I figured someone who posted as much as you do and seem to know what's going on knew that rule was long gone (You're probably going to catch alot of flack for this )

 

Below is a link to an article "5 Reasons QB's don't hold"  One time I had found another link think it was like "the 10 reasons....." That article added that way back likely prior to the Emergency QB Rule in 1991 rosters were larger and teams routinely dressed 3 QB's so then they did hold much more.  Maybe Frank Reich started as a 3rd string QB and that's how he got into holding even though he was he 2nd string QB in Buffalo?

 

Also was stated elsewhere that punters generally last more seasons on a roster than the 3rd string or even 2nd string QB.  Couple articles I've read state Barkley will likely be cut, then moved to PS so why invest time in a guy who at best may not last more than one season.

 

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Reasons-Punters-Hold-for-Field-Goals

 

 

Emergency QB Rule (1991 to 2010)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_quarterback_rule

[mrags]

6 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

 

So the reason I just simply said "No" was because Rags I assumed you were being sarcastic.  I figured someone who posted as much as you do and seem to know what's going on knew that rule was long gone (You're probably going to catch alot of flack for this )

 

Below is a link to an article "5 Reasons QB's don't hold"  One time I had found another link think it was like "the 10 reasons....." That article added that way back likely prior to the Emergency QB Rule in 1991 rosters were larger and teams routinely dressed 3 QB's so then they did hold much more.  Maybe Frank Reich started as a 3rd string QB and that's how he got into holding even though he was he 2nd string QB in Buffalo?

 

Also was stated elsewhere that punters generally last more seasons on a roster than the 3rd string or even 2nd string QB.  Couple articles I've read state Barkley will likely be cut, then moved to PS so why invest time in a guy who at best may not last more than one season.

 

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Reasons-Punters-Hold-for-Field-Goals

 

 

Emergency QB Rule (1991 to 2010)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_quarterback_rule

It’s great you gave me benefit of the doubt that I know what’s going on. My wife would disagree with you 100%. 
 

yeah I wasn’t sure of the rule. Thought something changed recently. Honestly, based on the article I linked it states it’s been done a while which I’m sure is similar to the one you linked as well. I swear something more recent was put in place. I obviously don’t follow up as closely to changes like this. Nor do I really care that much. End of the day Araiza will win the job. Will be just fine. 

[machine gun kelly]

On 5/9/2022 at 9:42 AM, Offside Number 76 said:

 

I'm a big fan of using the backup QB to hold for kicks.  It opens up all sorts of possibilities.

I agree.  Barkley is a good option.  He’s going to be the third QB on the depth chart, and would have time to practice enough to do it, but there is one problem.  That means we have three active QB’s on game day.  Does McD want to do that or have Areiza just practice nonstop to get him ready.  As much as I love the idea of fake kicks as an option to throw a quick out route on 4th and 4 to a backup WR, but I just don’t see them activating all three.  Keenum will be the main backup as they trade for him for a reason.

[Simon Says]

On 5/9/2022 at 9:38 AM, dwight in philly said:

Maybe Matt Barkley?

Barkley is destined to get cut,maybe re signed to practice squad

[TBBills]

Punt God is already the best holder on the team. He will probably go down as the best holder to ever play that position. They will make a FG holder HoF shrine for him next to his punting records.

Edited May 16, 2022 by TBBills

[without a drought]

Who's going to hold for punts?

[Putin]

Who needs extras points will just go for 2 !!! 

11 minutes ago, without a drought said:

Who's going to hold for punts?

Who said will be doing any punting this year ? 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 5/14/2022 at 5:56 PM, machine gun kelly said:

I agree.  Barkley is a good option.  He’s going to be the third QB on the depth chart, and would have time to practice enough to do it, but there is one problem.  That means we have three active QB’s on game day.  Does McD want to do that or have Areiza just practice nonstop to get him ready.  As much as I love the idea of fake kicks as an option to throw a quick out route on 4th and 4 to a backup WR, but I just don’t see them activating all three.  Keenum will be the main backup as they trade for him for a reason.

 

No way are they keeping 3 QB's for this on the active roster.  If it really came down to Araiza is terrible at holding, better chance they'd keep Haack for holding rather than start training someone else, or use someone else who's a core ST player.

[The Dean]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

No way are they keeping 3 QB's for this on the active roster.  If it really came down to Araiza is terrible at holding, better chance they'd keep Haack for holding rather than start training someone else, or use someone else who's a core ST player.

 

 

I think the only way Araiza doesn't stick is if he pulls a Gary Anderson in camp and pre season.  He'd better learn to hold and fast.

[Alphadawg7]

I have to say, I have never in my life ever seen people so fixated on something like FG Holding, or even a punter in general.

 

I mean reporters have also been ridiculously focused on a punter ten times more than any other player drafted.  It’s almost always one of the first things asked to McD and Beane.

 

LET IT GO PEOPLE.  There is literally nothing to worry about here, the over the top obsession about this is utterly insane.  He will be fine, and as someone already pointed out, with the supposed god of ball holding Haack, Bass accuracy was only better by one FG over the not so good Bojo.  
 

I was thrilled when we drafted the Punt God because Haack is terrible, but Geezus why is this guy the obsessive talk of the off-season?  He is gonna punt the ball the fewest times in the NFL playoffs this year as it is, and Bass is gonna be fine with him holding just like he was with the crappy Bojo.  
 

Elam, Cook, Shakir are the guys we should be really talking about.  The are very exciting additions to this team too and will have a chance to impact the season even more.  Not to mention our revamped interior DL and Von Miller.  
 

Obsess over them