Are there any NFL teams with a #1 QB worse than Baker Mayfield?

[ExiledInIllinois]

39 minutes ago, cba fan said:

No lol. This is patently not true. Obviously you have never been to Mets games or Queens county. Jeesh. 

Look it up... 

 

Plurality not majority

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

I don’t disagree that we’ve seen Baker perform at a higher level to date.  If you only look to stats to back your point, than yes, the choice is Baker.  
 

But when looking at the QB position, you have to look at overall potential.  After 4 years, Baler has shown marginal growth.  He’s small and got broken.  Now he’s crying that the browns set him up to lose on purpose.  Meanwhile, nobody is standing up for him.  No one wants him to come in and lead their team.  Nfl players are vocal on social media.  Literal crickets regarding Baker.  That means something. 
 

Wilson has better physical tools and isn’t a stooge.  I think we saw the best version of Baker in 2020.  If I had to choose, I’d take the higher ceiling and potential of Wilson over the highly combustible higher floor of Baker. 

 

I bolded the biggest problem with Mayfield that I see.   Essentially, he made the same mistakes in 2021 that he was making in 2019 and 2020.  Cleveland didn't decide to move on from Mayfield because his physical play suffered from his injury but he was still making the same kind of stupid decisions as a fourth year QB he was making as a sophomore.  I'm not sure that he's put in enough time/effort into understanding the mental nuances of playing QB in the NFL.  He obviously doesn't learn from his mistakes because he keeps making the same ones again and again. 

 

Mayfield also doesn't take responsibility for his own mistakes but blames others, which is simply unacceptable in an NFL QB.   He's done it repeatedly, and it's likely why he's doesn't get support from his teammates.  IOW, he not only has progressed enough to become a top QB, he doesn't seem to have the personality to be one, either.

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2022 by SoTier

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

A healthy Baker?  Dolphins, Pats, Jets, Texans, Seahawks, Falcons, Lions, Bears, Eagles, Redskins, Panthers, Steelers, Saints

 

Worth the baggage and the money - Progressive.

 

Baker Mayfield is not better than Jared Goff.

[Luka]

It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with what Cleveland expects to get in return for him. Getting Watson was literally the dumbest move you could make as a front office. There is now way to predict how long he could end up suspended for. It could be games. It could be seasons. Hell, it could be indefinitely. So the Browns have to approach trade offers as they are trading their starting QB. Because they are, most likely. 

[cba fan]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Look it up... 

 

Plurality not majority

OMG Mets fans make up 90%+ of fans at Mets home games. That's a majority not a plurality. You are funny guy......carry on....😁

Edited May 8, 2022 by cba fan

[ExiledInIllinois]

18 minutes ago, cba fan said:

OMG Mets fans make up 90%+ of fans at Mets home games. That's a majority not a plurality. You are funny guy......carry on....😁

I am talking about any county.  COUNTY.   All the residents.  For example... Bills fans are the majority in Erie County. 

 

For the Jets, Mets, and Nets... They don't hold a majority of fans in any county in America,  even their home county (Mets Queens/NYC)... 

 

Yes, plurality,  but not majority. 

 

Jeesh... Don't get so offended!

 

 

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/4/25/5652302/fans-without-borders

Edited May 8, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[billybrew1]

I think the thing with Baker is that you have to build a fantastic team around him on both sides of the ball and then you have to have a specific offense. …. If you’re a good enough GM and can build a team good a guy like Josh Allen can still go to your stadium and whip your butt.

Baker is a very limited QB, imho….

[cba fan]

27 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I am talking about any county.  COUNTY.   All the residents.  For example... Bills fans are the majority in Erie County. 

 

For the Jets, Mets, and Nets... They don't hold a majority of fans in any county in America,  even their home county (Mets Queens/NYC)... 

 

Yes, plurality,  but not majority. 

 

Jeesh... Don't get so offended!

 

 

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/4/25/5652302/fans-without-borders

I am talking about the county too. Queens is its own county by the way. Here is map. I am not arguing, just pointing out how absurdly wrong you are on the Mets. Giants and Dodgers fans both hated Yankees so very few switched to Yankees. 

mets 2.odt

Edited May 8, 2022 by cba fan

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, cba fan said:

I am talking about the county too. Queens is its own county by the way. Here is map. I am not arguing, just pointing out how absurdly wrong you are on the Mets. Giants and Dodger fans both hated Mets so very few switched to Yankees. 

mets 2.odtUnavailable

I am too.  😆...  Even in Queens County.

 

[Albany,n.y.]

4 hours ago, wjag said:

The demise of Baker Mayfield is stunning.  From Heisman Trophy winning number 1 draft pick to on his way to NFL exile is breathtaking.   The Browns have done him and the NFL dirty and continue to dirty him.  The entire NFL is pissed at the Browns for fully guaranteeing a contract to a deviant.  They are going to let them burn.  It would not surprise me in the least to see Baker hold a roster spot all season on the Browns the way Deshaun did in Houston.  The Browns are going to eat 18.5M for their actions.  Have we ever seen such a dramatic fall from grace as Mayfield in such a short amount of time?

I've seen worse. #1 overall picks who never amounted to anything.  Heisman winners who never played a down in the NFL-Charlie Ward chose the NBA over the NFL.  Other Heisman winners were busts &/or late round career backups.  

 

The Browns did not do Mayfield dirty.  They wanted to upgrade from him. Responsible teams upgrade positions.  If Watson gets suspended, all Mayfield has to do is grow up & look at what Drew Brees did.  Brees' replacement was drafted by the Chargers and Brees sucked it up & played lights out for 2 seasons and then left for NO and had a HOF career.  A Watson suspension would be a great opportunity if Mayfield understood the opportunity that he still might have.  Instead he's whining about wanting to be on another team instead of looking to prove his value in Cleveland like Brees did in San Diego.  His best chance to light it up is in an offense he already knows because if he doesn't go to a new team soon, he'll be behind the learning curve of the other QBs on the new team.   

 

   

[cba fan]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

I am too.  😆...  Even in Queens County.

 

you are wrong. Mets are large majority in Queens.

[ExiledInIllinois]

7 minutes ago, cba fan said:

you are wrong. Mets are large majority in Queens.

Nope.

 

 

Read the bottom part.  Same with Jets.  There are no counties where fans like the Mets as a majority. Not even Queens.  😆 

It says:

 

*There are no US counties where a plurality of fans like the NYMets, Toronto Blue Jays, or Oakland Athletics.

 

😏

Edited May 8, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[cba fan]

mets 2.odt yep 🙄🙄😁

Edited May 8, 2022 by cba fan

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, cba fan said:

mets 2.odt 29.04 kB · 1 download

FakeNews! 😆 

[cba fan]

5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

FakeNews! 😆 

did you know there are no Cubs fans in the US? 😁😁😁

[ExiledInIllinois]

There is no way in hell your map is accurate!  NYC is Yankee and Giant land!

1 minute ago, cba fan said:

did you know there are no Cubs fans in the US? 😁😁😁

😆... My dream! I am on SouthSide, my allegiance is to the Sox. 😏 

[Thurman#1]

It's not the player that teams are considering bringing aboard.

 

It's the player but also the contract, the social media, the changes in the locker room. The whole package.

 

If it were only the player he'd be on a roster by now.

[auburnbillsbacker]

Jets, Patriots, Dolphins, Steelers, Colts, Jaguars, Commanders, Eagles, Lions, Seahawks, 49ers, Giants all have QBs worse than Baker. 

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

The Browns aren't trading him - I read it's possible that Watson gets a TWO YEAR suspension.  I think that depends on the Civil cases but it's obviously all speculation.  

 

I can see this pathetic franchise holding Baker because of Watson potentially missing at least most or all of this season.

 

Turning to Baker and asking him to play for them .....lots of possibilities on the table.  

 

 

If he was getting traded it would have happened by now.  

 

They aren't sure the deal with Watson.  

 

 

 

 

As reported in the story, the reason he wasn't traded was that Carolina wouldn't pay a big chunk of Baker's salary, and Cleveland wouldn't pay a big chunk of it to see him play in Carolina.

 

They'd like to trade him. The contract makes it very difficult.

[NeverOutNick]

I’m still a baker believer. He was injured last year and thrives when counted out. If I were Philly I’d trade Hurts straight up for Mayfield and end any QB controversy upfront. Then Philly wins the division 💥 

[Nextmanup]

Short answer: Yes.

 

 

[ALLEN1QB]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

if you had to choose between Wilson and Baker, you’d choose Baker?

100 out of 100 times!! Not even close

[Bferra13]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

You don’t think Mayfield is better than Zach Wilson??

 

come on

I'd choose they both suck and their respective  teams are spinning their wheels in the mud. But at least Zack Wilson still has potential. Mayfield blows and only ever had any modicum of success due to the coaches run heavy offense and super talent at the rb position.

[Thurman#1]

29 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

I'd choose they both suck and their respective  teams are spinning their wheels in the mud. But at least Zack Wilson still has potential. Mayfield blows and only ever had any modicum of success due to the coaches run heavy offense and super talent at the rb position.

 

 

Nah. Baker doesn't "blow." He's just not a top ten guy and hasn't showed he can get to that level of play consistently.

 

For this year only I'd pick Baker. For the rest of their careers, Wilson.

37 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

100 out of 100 times!! Not even close

 

 

That's a bit wacky, IMO.

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

If I was Mayfield's agent I would ask for a clean release. Future and guaranteed money dropped.

If not released Mayfield will hold out and sit (will not play).

 

Sitting out is exactly what Browns want. Every game he does not play he does not play. 

More likely he will play and have an injury which doctor days he needs time to recover from.

He gets paid and a clean bill of health in January.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Bferra13 said:

I'd choose they both suck and their respective  teams are spinning their wheels in the mud. But at least Zack Wilson still has potential. Mayfield blows and only ever had any modicum of success due to the coaches run heavy offense and super talent at the rb position.

Baker still has much more potential than Zach Wilson LOL 

 

People think Baker is small and Zack Wilson is skinnier , doesn't process the game as well and isn't as accurate 

 

It doesn't mean Baker's a superstar... But Wilson sucks

Edited May 8, 2022 by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said:

100 out of 100 times!! Not even close

[BillsFanForever19]

Sure. But are any of these teams taking on a 1 year 19 million dollar contract and giving up a Draft Pick to do it? No. And of these teams that could use him, there are surely some who are looking at Drafting their next hopeful Franchise QB next season. And having an upgrade at QB who will win them more games this season would only hurt that. So it's quite the pickle he finds himself in.

[Nelius]

Yes. Is Baker better than Jordan Love? Probably, but feels like you also could ask the same question for Love as well. I'm surprised both of them didn't get moved. Maybe QB hoarding is becoming more of a thing.

 

I wonder which team will be the next sucker to take on Nick Foles, you know it's coming.

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

6 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I bolded the biggest problem with Mayfield that I see.   Essentially, he made the same mistakes in 2021 that he was making in 2019 and 2020.  Cleveland didn't decide to move on from Mayfield because his physical play suffered from his injury but he was still making the same kind of stupid decisions as a fourth year QB he was making as a sophomore.  I'm not sure that he's put in enough time/effort into understanding the mental nuances of playing QB in the NFL.  He obviously doesn't learn from his mistakes because he keeps making the same ones again and again. 

 

Mayfield also doesn't take responsibility for his own mistakes but blames others, which is simply unacceptable in an NFL QB.   He's done it repeatedly, and it's likely why he's doesn't get support from his teammates.  IOW, he not only has progressed enough to become a top QB, he doesn't seem to have the personality to be one, either.

 

 

 

 

Mayfield is the anti-process. His outward competitive fire appears to emanate from a defensive mindset, in that he's so conditioned to proving doubters wrong due to less-than-ideal tangibles and apparently also less-than-ideal INtangibles. There must be reasons why no one who works with him (coaches and WRs most notably) seems to want to continue working with him. 

 

Publicly (and statistically) he presents a fixed mindset, which often manifests as pride, arrogance, and/or defensiveness. When I was an educator of underprepared and underrepresented college students I oftentimes encountered much defensive hostility the moment I tried to identify and address their specific skillset weaknesses. Insecurity can really limit metacognition.

 

Mayfield likely entered the league as a nearly finished product. High floor, but low ceiling. Improvement requires a modicum of humility and self-awareness. The ability to acknowledge shortcomings which one can then work to overcome. Mayfield might be too conditioned to defending his CURRENT ability to actually admit flaws explicitly enough to address them in a meaningful way. 

[billsherd]

Many

[CSBill]

15 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

A healthy Baker?  Dolphins, Pats, Jets, Texans, Seahawks, Falcons, Lions, Bears, Eagles, Redskins, Panthers, Steelers, Saints

 

Worth the baggage and the money - Progressive.

 

Yeah, everyone of them. I'm not Baker fan, but when not hurt he would be an upgrade on all these teams right now.

[Billy Claude]

15 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

A healthy Baker?  Dolphins, Pats, Jets, Texans, Seahawks, Falcons, Lions, Bears, Eagles, Redskins, Panthers, Steelers, Saints

 

Worth the baggage and the money - Progressive.

 

I would add the Giants also.

 

 

[TBBills]

Most of the teams that have a QB worse than Baker don't want him, they would rather have a chance at drafting a QB in the next draft. Why have Baker come to your team just so you can get a worse draft pick? Baker is like the next Fitz, he wont get you anywhere but will get you draft picks that are mid level and might end up taking you out of position for the QB you want.

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I've seen worse. #1 overall picks who never amounted to anything.  Heisman winners who never played a down in the NFL-Charlie Ward chose the NBA over the NFL.  Other Heisman winners were busts &/or late round career backups.  

 

The Browns did not do Mayfield dirty.  They wanted to upgrade from him. Responsible teams upgrade positions.  If Watson gets suspended, all Mayfield has to do is grow up & look at what Drew Brees did.  Brees' replacement was drafted by the Chargers and Brees sucked it up & played lights out for 2 seasons and then left for NO and had a HOF career.  A Watson suspension would be a great opportunity if Mayfield understood the opportunity that he still might have.  Instead he's whining about wanting to be on another team instead of looking to prove his value in Cleveland like Brees did in San Diego.  His best chance to light it up is in an offense he already knows because if he doesn't go to a new team soon, he'll be behind the learning curve of the other QBs on the new team.   

 

   

 

Brees is an excellent example, especially because he shares some physical limitations with Mayfield, primarily height and arm strength. 

 

9 hours ago, cba fan said:

you are wrong. Mets are large majority in Queens.

 

I think that the Yankees are the favorite baseball team of the majority baseball fans in every county in New York State from Queens to Erie.

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

The a really qb talent in the league has gone up a lot recently. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

I'd choose they both suck and their respective  teams are spinning their wheels in the mud. But at least Zack Wilson still has potential. Mayfield blows and only ever had any modicum of success due to the coaches run heavy offense and super talent at the rb position.

 

lol

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 hours ago, tomur67 said:

I would think some team would want him.  He's still young.  You know he's got the talent.  If your team needs a good starting QB can you afford to wait until he's released? Are there hidden problems with Baker that we don't know about?

have you been living in a 📦 

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Very interesting perspective. Mayfield is plan B for Cleveland, depending on what the NFL does with Watson. As plan B, Baker is near the top.

 

If I was Mayfield's agent I would ask for a clean release. Future and guaranteed money dropped.

If not released Mayfield will hold out and sit (will not play).

 

Baker Mayfield has 4 accrued seasons, so he would be a Free Agent (no waivers).

 

At this point being a FA is Mayfield's best course. He could negotiate with any team he wants to play with. He could chose to fight for a starting spot or go the Trubisky route, make a few million, and be a backup while he reorganizes his brand and attitude.

 

 

 

What if Mayfield and his agent asked for a clean release? 0 future and guaranteed money?

With 4 accrued seasons he would be a FA.

Sure.  But do you see Mayfield and his agent giving up $18.86M?  They could negotiate something else though.  For example, they offer to take, say, $10M to get released.  Then he could immediately sign with another team.

 

The real wildcard here is how Baker reacts when he has to come in as an afterthought to the team and accept relegation to things like running the scout team.  I honestly don’t know if his ego can take that.  His motivation to get a deal done will be high.  Or maybe he reacts emotionally and does something - like no showing to training camp or refusing to participate in practice once he’s there - that voids his guarantees.

 

In any event, it costs the Browns nothing but a roster spot to keep him around and they might just get something for him and some cap relief by doing so for awhile. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Most of the teams that have a QB worse than Baker don't want him, they would rather have a chance at drafting a QB in the next draft. Why have Baker come to your team just so you can get a worse draft pick? Baker is like the next Fitz, he wont get you anywhere but will get you draft picks that are mid level and might end up taking you out of position for the QB you want.

Exactly.  Like Ryan Tannehill.