The 2nd Wave of Free Agency Starts Today at 4PM

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

After 4PM today May 2nd, signing free agents will no longer count against the compensatory draft pick formula. This date used to be June 2nd, but it's been moved up this year.

 

While the Bills have very little cap space (we still don't know exactly how much cap our rookies will take up), Beane always knows how to make room using extensions (Poyer?) and restructures (maybe Dawkins)

 

Who do you think the Bills might add post-draft?

 

 

 

 

 

likewise, at this point next year’s comp picks can be very accurately projected

[Rocky Landing]

With the loss of Mongo, we really don’t have a backup center, do we? I’m not aware of any of our other IOL FA signings having that position flex. I know Boettger has snapped in practice, but beyond that, it would seem to be a pressing need, no?

[djp14150]

From a camp roster standpoint of depth they add  a TE, K, a QB, a DB/S

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, wppete said:

Who is out there we would be interested in?

 

any decent CBs or OL?

Bring back Klein and Daryl Williams on the cheap if possible. 

With Beane mentioning that Bernard was a replacement for Klein I'm sure that ship has sailed. 

[BillsFanForever19]

10 hours ago, wppete said:

Who is out there we would be interested in?

 

any decent CBs or OL?

Bring back Klein and Daryl Williams on the cheap if possible. 

 

I think if Klein on a cheaper deal were in their plans, they'd have renegotiated his deal instead of cutting him. I don't see Klein as being the type of player who would balk at it and ask to be released, thinking another team would give him a better offer.

 

I think the same applies to Daryl Williams. It doesn't seem in Beane's makeup to straight up release someone instead of renegotiate and then re-sign them at a later date.

 

And although I could see Williams wanting to test his market a lot more than I could see Klein, we've already replaced him as a Starter with Rodger Saffold and retaining Ryan Bates and replaced his possible role as top reserve Swing Tackle/Guard in David Quessenberry.

Edited May 3, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Simon Says]

9 hours ago, SoMAn said:

Can't figure out why anyone thinks Quessenberry is an upgrade from the guards we've had the past couple of years. Looking at his history, looks like a journeyman who was average at best.  I'm going to guess Beane finds some better IOL after 4pm.

Like who? Williams?

[BillsFanForever19]

9 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Yeah, not sure what happens with Jerry, but my heart wants him to possibly win a SB here. However, they might be ready to let the younger guys take over. 

 

I don't see it. He'd have to take literal pennies on the dollar and way less snaps and take a backseat in the leadership role to Von Miller. I think they envision Von in and Jerry out as a changing of the guard.

[TOboy]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

With the loss of Mongo, we really don’t have a backup center, do we? I’m not aware of any of our other IOL FA signings having that position flex. I know Boettger has snapped in practice, but beyond that, it would seem to be a pressing need, no?

Bates filled in at C a couple years back and I believe can play anywhere on the line. They’d probably slide him over and bring Ike or Cody in at RG (or even Quisenberry).

[freddyjj]

18 minutes ago, TOboy said:

Bates filled in at C a couple years back and I believe can play anywhere on the line. They’d probably slide him over and bring Ike or Cody in at RG (or even Quisenberry).

@Rocky LandingMancz played C for Houston for an entire season In 2016 too

Edited May 3, 2022 by freddyjj

[Greatdane21]

Carlson te was the Browns best special teams player till injured a willing blocker and smart .

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

@Rocky LandingMancz played C for Houston for an entire season In 2016 too

This I did not know. thanks.

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, Billl said:

What kind of extension would you be willing to offer Poyer?  He’ll be 32 when his current contract is up so that’s likely a limiting factor.  I think Beane is going to be looking to push for a serious youth movement after this season, particularly on defense.  Between Poyer, Hyde, Lawson, Miller, and Phillips, they’ve got a lot of older players playing a ton of snaps.

 

The bolded portion of your post must be omitted outright. While Hyde, Poyer, and Miller WILL play a lot, there is NO evidence, suggestion, or even anticipation that Lawson and Phillips will see more than bottom-of-the-rotation/situational snaps. That is, IF they both make the 53 man roster. 

 

I agree that extending Poyer seems unwise, especially with Hyde already being re-upped for the next two seasons (with no cheap "out" after this year). That is, unless the Bills are willing to stomach both being on big deals for the next two seasons and THEN moving on without Hyde while keeping a re-signed Poyer. But I don't see that. I think Hyde makes more sense as the S they keep until he's demonstrably old. I see Poyer walking in free agency after 2022. Hopefully he plays out his deal so that can happen. 

[John from Riverside]

I’m wondering what the deal is with the bills and Darrell Williams they liked him enough when they brought him in to give him a second contract and we thought we were getting a great player now he’s sitting out there doing nothing why not bring him back on the vet minimum deal to back up at tack on guard

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m wondering what the deal is with the bills and Darrell Williams they liked him enough when they brought him in to give him a second contract and we thought we were getting a great player now he’s sitting out there doing nothing why not bring him back on the vet minimum deal to back up at tack on guard

It's because we have a new OC in Dorsey and OLine Coach in Kromer who want to utilize a zone blocking scheme.  This places a premium on your Online being athletic and nimble.

 

The lowest RAS score of the Bills projected starters is 7.54 which is Dion's rating. Williams was a 2.54 RAS coming out of college. The following explains RAS  https://ras.football/2019/12/27/daryl-williams-ras/

 

Additionally , it now is apparent that Dorsey wants to use RBs in the screen passing game as an extension of the run game.  Another thing Williams could not block up given his lack of athleticism. 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2022 by freddyjj

[MAJBobby]

14 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

With the loss of Mongo, we really don’t have a backup center, do we? I’m not aware of any of our other IOL FA signings having that position flex. I know Boettger has snapped in practice, but beyond that, it would seem to be a pressing need, no?

Boettger snaps (though doubt he is back likely on PUP), Mancz (Played Center in MIA last year) and Bates also snap.  

[Billl]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

The bolded portion of your post must be omitted outright. While Hyde, Poyer, and Miller WILL play a lot, there is NO evidence, suggestion, or even anticipation that Lawson and Phillips will see more than bottom-of-the-rotation/situational snaps. That is, IF they both make the 53 man roster. 

 

I agree that extending Poyer seems unwise, especially with Hyde already being re-upped for the next two seasons (with no cheap "out" after this year). That is, unless the Bills are willing to stomach both being on big deals for the next two seasons and THEN moving on without Hyde while keeping a re-signed Poyer. But I don't see that. I think Hyde makes more sense as the S they keep until he's demonstrably old. I see Poyer walking in free agency after 2022. Hopefully he plays out his deal so that can happen. 

Somebody’s got to get those snaps.  Elam is going to start from day 1, but I’m not sure there’s another defensive player in the class I expect to get a lot of run this year.  Rousseau is the only rookie last year who played last year, and even he was on the field just under half the time.  Let’s assume he and Basham increase their snaps from 750 to 1100.  That’s the equivalent of one full time player, but it likely comes at the expense of snaps from Epenesa, and he’s the only defensive player besides Dane Jackson from the 2020 draft who sees the field basically at all.

 

That’s 3 years of draft picks where you can reasonably expect to get around 2,500 snaps from combined this season (roughly 13% of the total).  That’s a crazy low number.  It’s understandable in the context of this being the perfect time to go all in for a ring, but if I’m doing the math then so is Beane.  If you’re not playing your draft picks, and the FAs you’re bringing in are all third contract guys, you’d better have a plan to tear it down and get younger soon.

 

The key players on defense who are still young are Edmunds, Elam, and Rousseau.  White and Milano seem young, but Milano will be 28 in July, and White will turn 28 during the season.  The Chiefs were in this position a year ago and just watched Frank Clark, Bashaud Breeland, Daniel Sorensen, Anthony Hitchens, and Tyrann Matthieu all fall of a cliff when they turned 28.  They’re all gone other than Clark who will be turning 29 in July.  Other than that, the oldest starter is Chris Jones who is the exact same age as Milano.

 

That’s a long winded way of saying that Beane is going to do some serious roster churn on defense next offseason.  I have no doubt he’ll do it well, as he’s one of the absolute best in the business at forming and executing a plan.  I just don’t see extending a 30+ year old Safety as being part of that plan.

 

[GolfandBills]

Only have about 5 million left after they sign draft picks so I wouldn’t expect more than a handful of vet minimum deals 

[clayboy54]

11 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Only have about 5 million left after they sign draft picks so I wouldn’t expect more than a handful of vet minimum deals 

The cap is in the eyes of the beholder. There are plenty of ways to kick money down the road for someone that is a difference-maker. Camp fodder is not in the top 51, so that doesn't even count.

[MrEpsYtown]

Can we sticky this to become the second wave free agency thread? or make one as a palace for rumors and reports of who is getting released? 

[Starr Almighty]

18 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

AJ signed with AZ.  I need you on the W Fuller bandwagon - 4.32 speed at Sanders prices.

I like those numbers. But wouldn't that Sanders price be steep for someone who plays 1 to 8 quarters a season 🤣 he's made out of wet toilet paper

[Jerboski]

Fuller 

Darryl Williams 

jerry 

IOL

 

some guys/position I would loook at 

[junior]

40 minutes ago, Billl said:

Somebody’s got to get those snaps.  Elam is going to start from day 1, but I’m not sure there’s another defensive player in the class I expect to get a lot of run this year.  Rousseau is the only rookie last year who played last year, and even he was on the field just under half the time.  Let’s assume he and Basham increase their snaps from 750 to 1100.  That’s the equivalent of one full time player, but it likely comes at the expense of snaps from Epenesa, and he’s the only defensive player besides Dane Jackson from the 2020 draft who sees the field basically at all.

 

That’s 3 years of draft picks where you can reasonably expect to get around 2,500 snaps from combined this season (roughly 13% of the total).  That’s a crazy low number.  It’s understandable in the context of this being the perfect time to go all in for a ring, but if I’m doing the math then so is Beane.  If you’re not playing your draft picks, and the FAs you’re bringing in are all third contract guys, you’d better have a plan to tear it down and get younger soon.

 

The key players on defense who are still young are Edmunds, Elam, and Rousseau.  White and Milano seem young, but Milano will be 28 in July, and White will turn 28 during the season.  The Chiefs were in this position a year ago and just watched Frank Clark, Bashaud Breeland, Daniel Sorensen, Anthony Hitchens, and Tyrann Matthieu all fall of a cliff when they turned 28.  They’re all gone other than Clark who will be turning 29 in July.  Other than that, the oldest starter is Chris Jones who is the exact same age as Milano.

 

That’s a long winded way of saying that Beane is going to do some serious roster churn on defense next offseason.  I have no doubt he’ll do it well, as he’s one of the absolute best in the business at forming and executing a plan.  I just don’t see extending a 30+ year old Safety as being part of that plan.

 

 

No Oliver?

[Einstein's Dog]

18 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I like those numbers. But wouldn't that Sanders price be steep for someone who plays 1 to 8 quarters a season 🤣 he's made out of wet toilet paper

Yes, after further review, Sanders prices may be too much.  And I don't know about Fuller being a process kind of guy, his injury/not playing history kind of makes it look like he isn't.

 

I think another outside WR would be nice though.  

[Billl]

15 minutes ago, junior said:

 

No Oliver?

Should have included him for sure.  He plays a little over half the snaps as well.

[machine gun kelly]

23 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Nobody. I think we are all set at this point. 

I agree Mr. Miyagi.  I don’t know if we will maybe make a run at the 30+ market, but they cost a lot even at the minimum.  
 

I think we travel through camp, and if we have a key piece injured, then maybe they do a 180.  It is a hard cap, and although they can convert more signing bonuses from salary,  I think Beane already went pretty far.  We had a very good draft with good value.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

It does feel like we're still thin at OL. Probably CB too. But OL worries me more, I do wish we could have done more there. 

[ndirish1978]

On 5/3/2022 at 11:52 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

It does feel like we're still thin at OL. Probably CB too. But OL worries me more, I do wish we could have done more there. 

 

We replaced our UDFA CB2 with a Rd1 pick and haven't lost anyone besides Levi. Dane played significant snaps last year and is solid. We have like 3 other CBs that have been in the system for at least a year, who else do you want to pick up, because they aren't starting. You're not going to take on Bradberry's rather large cap hit at this point to be a backup or a 6 week starter and then sit him. Are you implying you want Elam to sit?

Edited May 5, 2022 by ndirish1978

[RyanC883]

23 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Honestly, I would have tried to trade Poyer during the draft (maybe Beane did) instead of giving him a big extension. I'm just not sure whether Jaquan Johnson or Damar Hamlin are ready to fill Poyer's role. We can't extend everyone because that's how you get into cap hell in a few years.

 

safety and IOL have to be high on next years FA/Draft list.  

[947]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

safety and IOL have to be high on next years FA/Draft list.  

Add ILB to that, possibly the most important of the 3, given our Defense.

[FilthyBeast]

4 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

It does feel like we're still thin at OL. Probably CB too. But OL worries me more, I do wish we could have done more there. 

 

It would be big mistake for Beane to not bring in another veteran IOL and DB between now and the start of the season.

 

Not necessarily looking for flashy names but some sort of proven commodity that can step in should the injury bug hit hard.

[freddyjj]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

It would be big mistake for Beane to not bring in another veteran IOL

I am not sure we need to do this as Mancz and Queensbury are viable veteran backups (proven) inside.  And Cody Ford and Boettger are stlll here albeit Boettger is hurt.  

[FilthyBeast]

8 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

I am not sure we need to do this as Mancz and Queensbury are viable veteran backups (proven) inside.  And Cody Ford and Boettger are stlll here albeit Boettger is hurt.  

 

boettger will likely be on PUP/IR most of the year and I don't think Kromer is going to fix Ford and make him look even serviceable at this point. He simply looks like a bust that we likely move on from this summer.

 

Obviously still a lot of time to address the situation, even into the regular season/trade deadline but we somewhat lucked out last year when Boettger/Bates performed well above expectations and stabilized the line towards the end of the year.

[freddyjj]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

boettger will likely be on PUP/IR most of the year and I don't think Kromer is going to fix Ford and make him look even serviceable at this point. He simply looks like a bust that we likely move on from this summer.

 

Obviously still a lot of time to address the situation, even into the regular season/trade deadline but we somewhat lucked out last year when Boettger/Bates performed well above expectations and stabilized the line towards the end of the year.

gotcha on the 2  Bills IOL holdovers.  Quessenberry has 32 NFL starts to his credit and Mancz has 23 so even if Ford and Boettger are gone or hurt, think IOL will be okay

[947]

I 'm doubtful Boettger will ever play for us again. He is coming back from the worst football injury possible that 0% ever fully recover their prior form, and was far from a roster lock even before that.

[Orlando Tim]

I would love us to bring in one more CB with some experience, unless we are sold that Elam and Jackson are ready to play primetime come week one. Besides that I would like to hold money until the season so we can have wiggle room if needed.

[MrEpsYtown]

So idea…Cody Ford for Shane Lemieux? Who says no? Both are on expiring contracts. Ford gets to go to be with his buddy Bobby Johnson. Lemieux has had ups and downs and coming off an injury. Pretty similar RAS, but both could use a change of scenery. Ford can technically play T, Lemieux is an interior only guy. 
 

 

 

[Dr. Who]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Does this account for the fact that both have been mediocre to bad when they’ve gotten those starts??? 
 

I mean… Qussenberry is a nice story, but he allowed the most sacks of any Tackle last season…. Still wondering why they thought he was good depth to bring in for a pass centric team.

To a team that repeatedly signs Bobby Hart . . . everyone looks like an upgrade.

[Rockinon]

Kromer has a history of turning mediocre linemen into a quality unit. Maybe he is a miracle worker.

[Brand J]

Didn’t realize Cody’s 3 cone and shuttle were so horrendous. It’s surprising he was mocked in the 1st round to some teams.

[GreggTX]

If we could resign D Williams, that would help a lot. He's pretty average, but substantially better than any other G on the roster besides Saffold. I'm not sold on Brown by a long shot, but I do think he has potential. The question is, how soon will Brown start playing at starter level. Hopefully that will happen this Summer.