NEBranch Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Could've went into hiding. Nice to stay classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 56 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: 18 pages for a 6th round punter … amazing Shocked it’s not much higher.. 23 pages of people crying over a 3rd round linebacker is pretty impressive 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: BU = Backup That's why they are BACKUPS. They don't get to practice all day, every day, with the LS and the PK. Count on this, if Arazia can't learn to hold to a satisfactory degree, they will use another PS player, or he will be gone. You don't mess with the FG game on this team. IMO of course Think about this, as bad as Bojo was at holding, he was always the holder. NEVER the backup QB, for the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dean said: That's why they are BACKUPS. They don't get to practice all day, every day, with the LS and the PK. Count on this, if Arazia can't learn to hold to a satisfactory degree, they will use another PS player, or he will be gone. You don't mess with the FG game on this team. IMO of course Think about this, as bad as Bojo was at holding, he was always the holder. NEVER the backup QB, for the Bills. Haack is gone. Arazia will make the team. he either holds or he doesn’t. Just that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said: Great pic. Hopefully he doesn’t see the field much but could be generational punter. (Hopefully). You'll be seeing him multiple times each game holding for PAT's. Laces out please Matt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 This pick is questionable. Look at the schools he went up against: Hawaii, Air Force? No Big 12 or SEC competition. Not promising. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: This pick is questionable. Look at the schools he went up against: Hawaii, Air Force? No Big 12 or SEC competition. Not promising. OTH... As a punter, your punts are mostly against the field, more so than the other teams players. I'm thinking SIXTH round is a real value here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Can he become... The Laces Out God ? Will he still be be considered the Punt God if the Bills only punt 20 times ? Stay tuned. Man, I can talk punter all day...and holder, any time, any place. This **** is riveting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 If this dude gets cut before the start of the year I can't wait to see this place lol... I thought people suggesting a mid round pick for a punter on a team like this were just silly. But end of draft, 6th round, sign me up. Excellent pick. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Haack is gone. Arazia will make the team. he either holds or he doesn’t. Just that easy. I'd be shocked if he didn't make the team. But don't expect a QB to be holding for this team. And remember, there are more available punters than Haack and Arazia. Just saying. And the Bills have already ditched a better punter than they kept. One of the reasons was likely his inability to be consistent with his holds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 3 hours ago, syhuang said: to be fair, the first one was a partial block and the ball still travelled 27 yards (forward) Haack had several of his punts against the Jets partially blocked by nitrogen molecules. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Haack had several of his punts against the Jets partially blocked by nitrogen molecules. I've never heard boos at the stadium as loud as when he shanked his third punt. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Could this pick actually encourage the Bills to punt on 3rd down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Could this pick actually encourage the Bills to punt on 3rd down? I would say to intentionally take safeties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Could this pick actually encourage the Bills to punt on 3rd down? No, this pick was for the training camp crowds. I remember the “ooooooh” and “ahhhh” when Brian Moorman would do punt drills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: No, this pick was for the training camp crowds. I remember the “ooooooh” and “ahhhh” when Brian Moorman would do punt drills. You just got me excited for camp. Missed it (being in Rochester) the past 2 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: You just got me excited for camp. Missed it (being in Rochester) the past 2 years. We are about to get a punt vs pass competition in TC 🤤 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, The Dean said: I'd be shocked if he didn't make the team. But don't expect a QB to be holding for this team. And remember, there are more available punters than Haack and Arazia. Just saying. And the Bills have already ditched a better punter than they kept. One of the reasons was likely his inability to be consistent with his holds. Agree. A bunch of people on here have been “disagreeing” with my statements that Araiza is going to have to be a good holder to win the job. I don’t understand what is so controversial about that. As you said, they let Bojo walk for a worse punter/better holder. Then GB just did the same thing with Bojo. I am hoping Araiza is fine as a holder, and this won’t be an issue. But he is going to have to do it, and not mess Bass up, or else he won’t be making the team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Agree. A bunch of people on here have been “disagreeing” with my statements that Araiza is going to have to be a good holder to win the job. I don’t understand what is so controversial about that. As you said, they let Bojo walk for a worse punter/better holder. Then GB just did the same thing with Bojo. I am hoping Araiza is fine as a holder, and this won’t be an issue. But he is going to have to do it, and not mess Bass up, or else he won’t be making the team. I’m sure he’s been working on it, but Haack will need to flat out beat him for Matty Punt to not make this roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Agree. A bunch of people on here have been “disagreeing” with my statements that Araiza is going to have to be a good holder to win the job. I don’t understand what is so controversial about that. As you said, they let Bojo walk for a worse punter/better holder. Then GB just did the same thing with Bojo. I am hoping Araiza is fine as a holder, and this won’t be an issue. But he is going to have to do it, and not mess Bass up, or else he won’t be making the team. I agree, for the most part. But I won't go so far as to say he'll be cut if he isn't a good holder. For one reason, they kept Bojo for a time despite the fact he wasn't good at holding. And he was inconsistent as a punter. Eventually he was let go. So, perhaps unless he totally sucks, I'm guessing the new Matt gets the job. Both jobs, I should say. But what if he is horrendous at it? I do not expect this. He seems very eager to learn and excel. This is just a little thought exercise. What would they do? I'm thinking, if he really shows his stuff punting this offseason, he's making the team. So maybe they get creative with the holder. I doubt it. But if they do, I highly doubt it will be a QB. And if if he can't figure it out, and isn't killing it with the punting, then what? Edited May 1, 2022 by The Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: This pick is questionable. Look at the schools he went up against: Hawaii, Air Force? No Big 12 or SEC competition. Not promising. No doubt!! The air over there is super weak 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, boater said: OTH... As a punter, your punts are mostly against the field, more so than the other teams players. I'm thinking SIXTH round is a real value here. I think he was joking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Dean said: But what if he is horrendous at it? I do not expect this. He seems very eager to learn and excel. This is just a little thought exercise. What would they do? Don't discount the fact that he can placekick, even if he is a terrible holder. That's worth something if anything were to happen to Bass. If the dude is bombing punts 60+ yards on a consistent basis in adverse conditions, you can't cut him even if he's a terrible holder. He's gonna be on the roster in that scenario - Bojo was an average punter and a terrible holder and that's why he was cut loose. I feel like there are options for holder. Anyone that can handle the ball well would be a candidate to hold on kicks. WRs, CBs, even RBs would be candidates to hold in addition to Keenum if for whatever reason, Araiza can't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Just now, sullim4 said: Don't discount the fact that he can placekick, even if he is a terrible holder. That's worth something if anything were to happen to Bass. If the dude is bombing punts 60+ yards on a consistent basis in adverse conditions, you can't cut him even if he's a terrible holder. He's gonna be on the roster in that scenario - Bojo was an average punter and a terrible holder and that's why he was cut loose. I feel like there are options for holder. Anyone that can handle the ball well would be a candidate to hold on kicks. WRs, CBs, even RBs would be candidates to hold in addition to Keenum if for whatever reason, Araiza can't do it. You are missing the point. Holding is actually a skill and the entire process needs to go the same way every time. So, the long snapper, kicker, punter, etc, work together as a unit. You simply don't have non ST players holding anymore. The job is too important. And I expect, nuanced. Yes, "anyone can hold" but can they do it the same way, every time? With the timing, laces out, etc? I'm shocked by the disrespect these positions get from some here. ST is very important. And there are skills and teamwork that involve practice. And constant improvement. So, maybe teach a deep roster WR/RB to hold? Sure he might be able to get the necessary reps. But they you have one extra ST player on your active roster who normally would be a healthy inactive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, The Dean said: I agree, for the most part. But I won't go so far as to say he'll be cut if he isn't a good holder. For one reason, they kept Bojo for a time despite the fact he wasn't good at holding. And he was inconsistent as a punter. Eventually he was let go. So, perhaps unless he totally sucks, I'm guessing the new Matt gets the job. Both jobs, I should say. But what if he is horrendous at it? I do not expect this. He seems very eager to learn and excel. This is just a little thought exercise. What would they do? I'm thinking, if he really shows his stuff punting this offseason, he's making the team. So maybe they get creative with the holder. I doubt it. But if they do, I highly doubt it will be a QB. And if if he can't figure it out, and isn't killing it with the punting, then what? if he is shaky as a holder, the Bills will be really stuck. They can’t sign Araiza to the PS, as he will Be poached. They can’t sign two active punters to the roster. And they can’t afford to roll the dice in a SB year on someone who may mess up Bass as a bad holder. I think they learned from their mistake with Bojo, who screwed up Bass constantly and almost ended Mason Crosby’s career last year. Given how little the team punts, i suspect they would go with Haack if Araiza is a shaky holder, and pray Haack improves as a punter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Does anyone think Araiza, as a PK in addition to punter, would have additional insight/rapport into what a kicker would want from a holder? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) Never watched this guy. I saw the silly punts at his workouts. But what about hang time, ball placement, and holding ability? They may have a punting-from-own-endzone specialist. Cool nickname though. Edited May 1, 2022 by Airseven 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Bills don't need a punter! We don't punt!! Ask New England!!!!!!😋 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Airseven said: Never watched this guy. I saw the silly punts at his workouts. But what about hang time, ball placement, and holding ability? They may have a punting-from-own-endzone specialist. Cool nickname though. Might be beanes way of forcing McDermott to go for it on 4th down much more often near mid field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Araiza is not the first kicker/punter to come out of college. There have been a bunch of guys in the past who did both in college and had to learn how to hold in the pros. He is a great athlete with bigger hands than Kenny Pickett. I am sure he needs work, but this has been done before, and if he puts the work in, I am sure he will be fine. It’s significant, but the challenge is being overblown. In fact, because he was a placekicker, he may have an even better understanding of what Bass wants him to do holding wise. He is going to be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 This thread is becoming comedy gold lol. Can’t wIt to revisit it in a year or two 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Just have Case Keenum hold and bring out Punt God every 3 games to nuke a team into submission. Am I missing some rule that the punter needs to hold kicks? Have the feisty vet back-up QB do it like it's 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 I was never for drafting a punter before the 6th, unless we had a very poor offense. Love this pick here, but I would have screamed this was crap if this was a 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Nelius said: Just have Case Keenum hold and bring out Punt God every 3 games to nuke a team into submission. Am I missing some rule that the punter needs to hold kicks? Have the feisty vet back-up QB do it like it's 1991. As stated by NFL coaches You just don't have time for the backup quarterback to be practicing holding all day The punter and kickers work together.. they're together all day and can work on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, The Dean said: You are missing the point. Holding is actually a skill and the entire process needs to go the same way every time. So, the long snapper, kicker, punter, etc, work together as a unit. You simply don't have non ST players holding anymore. The job is too important. And I expect, nuanced. Yes, "anyone can hold" but can they do it the same way, every time? With the timing, laces out, etc? I'm shocked by the disrespect these positions get from some here. ST is very important. And there are skills and teamwork that involve practice. And constant improvement. So, maybe teach a deep roster WR/RB to hold? Sure he might be able to get the necessary reps. But they you have one extra ST player on your active roster who normally would be a healthy inactive. Right. CBA practice time restrictions have essentially forced the shift from backup QBs to Ps being the holders. The holder has to be available to practice with the ST unit. The only two positions who field snaps as a necessary function of their jobs are QB and P. Nowadays, STs batteries (LS and P or holder + K) practice separately while the O and D work (with some full team STs segments sprinkled in, of course). Just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8billsfan Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 This guys leg is ridiculous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: As stated by NFL coaches You just don't have time for the backup quarterback to be practicing holding all day The punter and kickers work together.. they're together all day and can work on it You beat me to it by 2 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Pat Mcafee was drafted to be a punter and never punted or held. It work out. Ariza seems like a natural kicker. If he wants to play in the NFL he will figure out how to hold. Pretty athletic guy so this could open up some special team trickeracion too. Haack needed to be replaced. Ariza is an interesting option. Hopefully, he turns out like Bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: You beat me to it by 2 minutes. I'm always 2 minutes early Ask my girl 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Can’t believe we wasted a draft pick on a guy who isn’t even gonna play against the patriots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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