2022 WR List…who do you like?

[whorlnut]

4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think that Dotson would be a fine pick, but he is probably only going to play out of the slot in the NFL with his smaller stature.  

He might, but I’m not so sure. Even if that’s true, it might not be a bad idea since crowder is on a one year deal and McKenzie is basically on a one year deal too. 

[Motorin']

10 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

 

I like Dotson too and apparently the Bills spent lots of time with him at the combine. Wouldn't surprise me if he's the guy at 25. I'd rather Treylon Burks there but Bills haven't had any contact with him, I think he'd be scary in the Bills offense.

 

Alec Pierce looks like he'll be a good value if they wait on WR.

 

Danny Gray also seems undervalued, love the speed and it shows up on tape unlike some of these other guys in the 4.3s.

 

I also like Mike Woods II very late but would rather they draft a guy earlier, hard to see a late round WR making this roster when guys like Hodgins can't make it.

 

Part of me wants them to take 2 wr's, one early and one late. Focus early on a guy who could eventually be a 1a/1b wr as Diggs rounds 30. And then take a flyer on a speed demon, possible with return skills. 

 

Velus Jones might be the best returner in the draft. And Tyquan Thornton just leaves people in a cloud of dust. I like Danny Gray in that group too. He reminds me a bit of a younger Manny Sands,  sans the big drops...

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Velus Jones 4.31 6’ 204

 

I know nothing about this guy but if those are his measurables and speed I think he is worth a flyer. Guy is built solidly and instantly one of the fastest players in the league. But can he play?

[RyanC883]

13 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

If Olave or Wilson or Williams are there in the 1st you take them (doubtful) if not, take BPA in rd 1 (hopefully a cb) and take Pickens or Austin in rd 2 (pickens prob won’t be there). I also really like Kyle Phillips (UCLA) as a 4th rd pick. He looks like a faster Cole Beasley to me

I don’t think so. Not enough production at North Dakota state, though they are the Bisons

 

Watson is on Jeremiah's top 50, I think in the top 25.  But he has issues with drops according to PFF.  We may be able to trade-up in Rd. 2 and grab him.  That's what I'd do.  BPA Rd. 1 (my pref from what looks available is Zion Williamson or Lindenblum, or one of the WA CBs), and then trade up for WR in Rd. 2 (unless one of the day-one stud WR falls to 25, I like Dotson)

Dotson is my fav in Rd. 1 of the ones that may be available.  

 

I'd pass on the Alabama guy due to only one year (albeit amazing) college production.  

 

Dotson catches the ball anywhere near him and has RAC ability.  Can play outside or inside.   Seems like the type of player we could move around for a mismatch.  

Edited March 31, 2022 by RyanC883

[Lofton80]

I really like the attached analysis. Seems Burks is the guy to grab if he is available. Burks accomplished a lot in the best conference with so/so quarterbacks. The comments on the other wrs are pretty good. 

 

 

 

 

Bucs Briefing: 2022 NFL Draft WR Rankings & Grades (pewterreport.com)

 

https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-briefing-2022-nfl-draft-wr-rankings-grades/

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Lofton80

[CapeBreton]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Part of me wants them to take 2 wr's, one early and one late. Focus early on a guy who could eventually be a 1a/1b wr as Diggs rounds 30. And then take a flyer on a speed demon, possible with return skills. 

 

Velus Jones might be the best returner in the draft. And Tyquan Thornton just leaves people in a cloud of dust. I like Danny Gray in that group too. He reminds me a bit of a younger Manny Sands,  sans the big drops...

 

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Velus Jones 4.31 6’ 204

 

I know nothing about this guy but if those are his measurables and speed I think he is worth a flyer. Guy is built solidly and instantly one of the fastest players in the league. But can he play?

 

Velus Jones is an interesting prospect, he'll be 25 in May so might be the oldest player that gets drafted. I'd love him as a return guy, we have to do something there and should be able to get him later in the draft (could drop because of his age is what I've heard).

[Allen2Moulds]

If we go WR in the 1st or 2nd round, I fully expect us to put a big emphasis on speed 1st, and size second. I don't believe Beane will get a blazing small guy in the 1st. No one under 6ft in my opinion. 

 

That's why I'm thinking 

Watson

Pierce

Williams

Pickens

 

Williams is the least likely because of where he's projected to go, and his injury.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Allen2Moulds

[Einstein's Dog]

29 minutes ago, Lofton80 said:

I really like the attached analysis. Seems Burks is the guy to grab if he is available. Burks accomplished a lot in the best conference with so/so quarterbacks. The comments on the other wrs are pretty good. 

 

 

 

 

Bucs Briefing: 2022 NFL Draft WR Rankings & Grades (pewterreport.com)

 

https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-briefing-2022-nfl-draft-wr-rankings-grades/

 

That guy is a tough marker.  And his rounds seem out of touch.  If a WR is a good starter, that is not round 2 in my book - or in real life.  It may be hard to get any of his top 5 - Burks/Wilson/Olave/London/Williams at the Bills pick at 25.

 

I would feel great if the Bills were able to get any of those 5, and I also include G Pickens (though the author didn't like him as much).  For me the hard decisions come if those WRs are all off the board - which happened in the TSW mock draft.

[Motor26]

I want Burks but I have a feeling the Bills don’t.

[TheBrownBear]

9 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

I want Burks but I have a feeling the Bills don’t.

There's other guys with more speed and agility that make you say "wow", but there's something about the combination of Burks' strength, hands, deceptive speed and highpoint ability that screams AJ Brown or Eric Moulds to me.  I feel like we haven't had a real big physical receiver in forever.  The guy just looks like a football player to me and he's the one I want if we go the receiver route in round 1.

[Allen2Moulds]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

There's other guys with more speed and agility that make you say "wow", but there's something about the combination of Burks' strength, hands, deceptive speed and highpoint ability that screams AJ Brown or Eric Moulds to me.  I feel like we haven't had a real big physical receiver in forever.  The guy just looks like a football player to me and he's the one I want if we go the receiver route in round 1.

Except that Moulds was a big, fast, physical freak.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

14 hours ago, whorlnut said:

I really want Dotson. His hands are unbelievable. Runs good routes. Has good speed. He honestly reminds me of Diggs.

Dotson is the safest pick, the kid is an absolute stud. 

[OldTimer1960]

37 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

That guy is a tough marker.  And his rounds seem out of touch.  If a WR is a good starter, that is not round 2 in my book - or in real life.  It may be hard to get any of his top 5 - Burks/Wilson/Olave/London/Williams at the Bills pick at 25.

 

I would feel great if the Bills were able to get any of those 5, and I also include G Pickens (though the author didn't like him as much).  For me the hard decisions come if those WRs are all off the board - which happened in the TSW mock draft.

Diggs was, I believe, a 5th rounder and Cooper Kupp was 3rd round.  Lots of good starting WR have come beyond to me 1.  Doesn’t mean to stay away from ok WR in round 1, but very good receivers have been found after round round as well.

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

Except that Moulds was a big, fast, physical freak.

Exactly. One of the reasons why I prefer Watson or Pierce over the others.

Edited March 31, 2022 by LyndonvilleBill

[mannc]

Just now, LyndonvilleBill said:

Yup. One of the reasons why I prefer Watson or Pierce over the others.

Both would be great for the Bills and both probably available at 25.

[Playoffs?]

14 hours ago, Process said:

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a ton of WRs go by early second. Way too many teams need one. 

Yep.  Also with the WR market blowing up, teams will be reaching early to get starting WRs that will be on the roster with rookie contracts. 

[Einstein's Dog]

31 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Diggs was, I believe, a 5th rounder and Cooper Kupp was 3rd round.  Lots of good starting WR have come beyond to me 1.  Doesn’t mean to stay away from ok WR in round 1, but very good receivers have been found after round round as well.

Of course, there are good players taken at any round.  But the earlier you take a player/position, the better the odds are the player will be good.

 

I'm hoping the Bills take a WR in round 1.  That a WR will be the BPA at a premium position of need.  And for that to happen it needs to be in the top tier of their board.  For me, the top tier are the top 6 that were taken in the TSW draft.  And that scenario is one that I don't like because all the top WRs seemed gone and then I wouldn't blame the FO for going with a CB, just like what happened in the TSW draft.

 

If things did happen like in the TSW draft where the top 6 WRs are gone and the BPA looks to be a CB, then there seems more pressure on round 2 for a WR.  Hoping a Watson/Dotson or Moore are available.

[LyndonvilleBill]

52 minutes ago, mannc said:

Both would be great for the Bills and both probably available at 25.

I wouldn't take them at 25. I'm thinking more of a small trade down in the 1st to pick up a late 3rd and then use 57 and the extra 3rd to move up in the 2nd.

[Magnum Force]

17 hours ago, Motorin' said:

You forgot the fastest wr in the draft. At 6' 2" 181lbs he ran a 4.28 40 at the combine (faster than Tyreek Hill).

 

 

Same build and size as Jameson Williams.

[dbfla10]

Sleeper pick as a slot, Travell Harris Washington St. Will contribute on specials teams as well.... Late round but more likely UDFA.

 

Work ethic route running are plus plus

[H2o]

5 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Velus Jones 4.31 6’ 204

 

I know nothing about this guy but if those are his measurables and speed I think he is worth a flyer. Guy is built solidly and instantly one of the fastest players in the league. But can he play?

I like Velus for his return ability if nothing else. He averaged over 27 yards per KO return this year and over 15 per PR. 

[KOKBILLS]

18 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

Here’ are 15 Wide Receivers and I tried to put them in general categories.  You can decide how they would fit in to our current lineup.  I just generalized the categories so they aren’t totally accurate.

 

Average Size, Good Route Runners with good to great speed
Garrett Wilson 4.38 6’ 183
Chris Olave 4.39 6’ 187
Jahan Dotson 4.43 5’11” 178
Jalen Tolbert 4.49 6’1” 194
John Metchie 4.51 6’0” 191
Skyy Moore 4.41 5’10” 196

 

Bigger, more physical with so so speed
Drake London 4.53 6’4” 219
Traylon Burks 4.55 6’2” 225

 

Taller, Lankier with good to great speed
Jameson Williams 4.48 6’2” 179
Christian Watson 4.36 6’4” 208
George Pickens 4.47 6’3” 195 
Alex Pierce 4.41 6’3” 211

 

Great speed
Calvin Austin 4.34 5’7”” 173
Velus Jones 4.31 6’ 204
Danny Gray 4.33 6’ 186

My preferences - 

 

Average Size, Good Route Runners with good to great speed
Garrett Wilson 4.38 6’ 183
Chris Olave 4.39 6’ 187
 

Taller, Lankier with good to great speed
Jameson Williams 4.48 6’2” 179
Christian Watson 4.36 6’4” 208
George Pickens 4.47 6’3” 195 - Not sure he's a McBeane kind-of-guy though
 

Great speed
Calvin Austin 4.34 5’7”” 173
 

[Magnum Force]

18 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

My preferences - 

 

Average Size, Good Route Runners with good to great speed
Garrett Wilson 4.38 6’ 183
Chris Olave 4.39 6’ 187
 

Taller, Lankier with good to great speed
Jameson Williams 4.48 6’2” 179
Christian Watson 4.36 6’4” 208
George Pickens 4.47 6’3” 195 - Not sure he's a McBeane kind-of-guy though
 

Great speed
Calvin Austin 4.34 5’7”” 173
 

I think Wilson. Olave and Williams are off the board by pick 25.   Round 2 or 3 might be a better Rd to go WR depending on who is there and how the draft unfolds.  Good draft for WRs regardless. 

[KOKBILLS]

4 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

I think Wilson. Olave and Williams are off the board by pick 25.   Round 2 or 3 might be a better Rd to go WR depending on who is there and how the draft unfolds.  Good draft for WRs regardless. 

 

It is for sure...I'm a REAL big Pickens fan...He's a big time upside guy IMHO...He could also develop into a very good blocking WR to boot...I think if he goes out of the 1st he's a bargain...

[Just Joshin']

Seems like production would be a factor to add. 

[smuvtalker]

23 hours ago, NewEra said:

Dodson really does make a lot of sense if we can sign a vet corner. Speed with tremendous hands.  Josh’s passes aren’t like the others. Gotta have guys with glue for mitts 

Super understated point, Josh throws some serious heat and nothing at all wrong with having oversized mitts to reel them lasers in.  In watching Watsons tape I also noted how naturally catches the majority of passes with his hands, love how he brings the ball in.  In all honesty I would be thrilled if we took him at 25 and don't think it'd be a reach at all.   I literally salivated watching his YouTube video.  IMO he'd look damn good in a Bills uni...

[BillsFanForever19]

Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Chris Olave, Christian Watson, Skyy Moore, Alec Pierce, Velus Jones, and Tyquan Thornton.

 

4.41 is my cut off as both Beane and McDermott has been preaching needing speed. One of those guys needs to be a Buffalo Bill, even if it's just Jones or Thornton late.

 

Idk enough about Danny Gray to add him to the list. I'd make an exception for Jameson Williams though bc I think he's a next level WR.

[Thurman#1]

On 3/31/2022 at 10:20 AM, RunJoshRun said:

 

 

The BOARD MODERATORS HAVE TOLD MANY POSTERS OVER AND OVER AGAIN that this is "worn out thread".  They've deleted them all.  Why not this one???  The draft is just too far away and who knows what free agency may bring???  Stick to the process mods!

 

 

This had thought behind it. The ones that were shut down were mostly someone having a vagrant thought shoot through his mind and expressing it, generally a thought that had been expressed before many times, often nothing more than one or two sentences along the lines of "I like this" or "we should do that."

 

This thread is a ton more thoughtful and has, as Hap has said several times, more substrate for discussion, than many of those other, far poorer threads.

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Dr. Who]

I want Olave or Williams in the first. I would trade up a bit to get them. If it's cb in the first, I am trading up in the second to get George Pickens.

[Magnum Force]

I just wonder how drafting a 1st Round WR would effect Stefon Diggs with the current state of affairs.  

[pennstate10]

On 3/30/2022 at 9:22 PM, whorlnut said:

I really want Dotson. His hands are unbelievable. Runs good routes. Has good speed. He honestly reminds me of Diggs.

Big PSU fan so of course I’m biased 

 

the thing that sets Dotson apart from all the guys is his truly exceptional ball skills. The guy never drops a ball, and makes unbelievable catches.  OBJ like one handers for TD. Plus he runs precision routes, exceptionally smooth. Hope Bills take him if he’s there at 25. 

[Turbo44]

2 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Big PSU fan so of course I’m biased 

 

the thing that sets Dotson apart from all the guys is his truly exceptional ball skills. The guy never drops a ball, and makes unbelievable catches.  OBJ like one handers for TD. Plus he runs precision routes, exceptionally smooth. Hope Bills take him if he’s there at 25. 

I've been researching and am really warming up to Christian Watson AND at 25!!  6'3" 208 with 4.36 speed.  He doesn't have the stats in college, but ND St was a running team.  He has the 2nd best athletic score of any WR since 1987 and can't teach that.  Sounds a lot like a certain QB that we drafted 4 years ago.  

[Magnum Force]

12 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

I've been researching and am really warming up to Christian Watson AND at 25!!  6'3" 208 with 4.36 speed.  He doesn't have the stats in college, but ND St was a running team.  He has the 2nd best athletic score of any WR since 1987 and can't teach that.  Sounds a lot like a certain QB that we drafted 4 years ago.  

Same here… good 1st round pick…Great 2nd round pick.  Same with Tariq Woolen at CB …he is raw but 6’4” 205 4.26 speed with 42” vertical jump.  

[aristocrat]

2 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

I just wonder how drafting a 1st Round WR would effect Stefon Diggs with the current state of affairs.  

 

Helps him get more open. Means we can pay him without having to pay free agents.  But we need to nail a couple other starters at other positions like db and o line so we can keep from paying huge salaries. 

Edited April 1, 2022 by aristocrat

[Turbo44]

5 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Same here… good 1st round pick…Great 2nd round pick.  Same with Tariq Woolen at CB …he is raw but 6’4” 205 4.26 speed with 42” vertical jump.  

 

we think alike - Maybe we trade out of the 1st (and grab an early 3rd) to a qb needy team and draft watson in the early 2nd.  Like Woolen too, raw but ridiculous athleticism.  Maybe we sign a veteran CB and draft Woolen with the acquired early 3rd.  With the 2nd rounder, take the best guy on your board (RB if Hall or the kid from Mich St drop).

[Magnum Force]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

Helps him get more open. Means we can pay him without having to pay free agents. 

Tyquan Thornton as a poster brought up is intriguing at 6’2” 181 with 4.28 speed…could see Kansas City looking at him also around Round 4

[HappyDays]

After spending the last few days evaluating the WR class I'm less excited about Chris Olave than most people. His ceiling projection is Stefon Diggs 2.0... That's great but we already have Stefon Diggs 1.0. If we're adding a WR in the 1st or 2nd I would want it to be a different skill set than what we already have. The WRs I see as 1st round talents that would add something new are Williams, Watson, Pierce, and Dotson. I would be happy with one of those WRs in the 1st round.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

After spending the last few days evaluating the WR class I'm less excited about Chris Olave than most people. His ceiling projection is Stefon Diggs 2.0... That's great but we already have Stefon Diggs 1.0. If we're adding a WR in the 1st or 2nd I would want it to be a different skill set than what we already have. The WRs I see as 1st round talents that would add something new are Williams, Watson, Pierce, and Dotson. I would be happy with one of those WRs in the 1st round.

 

Man we have very different tastes in wide receivers. 

14 hours ago, smuvtalker said:

Super understated point, Josh throws some serious heat and nothing at all wrong with having oversized mitts to reel them lasers in.  In watching Watsons tape I also noted how naturally catches the majority of passes with his hands, love how he brings the ball in.  In all honesty I would be thrilled if we took him at 25 and don't think it'd be a reach at all.   I literally salivated watching his YouTube video.  IMO he'd look damn good in a Bills uni...

 

I think it would be a reach. But it is a reach we should absolutely be willing to gamble on. 

[BigAl2526]

John Metchie has not worked out this spring, having been injured (ACL) in the SEC championship, but NFL Draft Buzz estimates him as running a 4.36.  They aslo think Jameson Williams is much faster - in the sub 4.3 range.  Jameson has run a 4.39 at Alabama.

 

Personally, I'm looking at 6' as the floor size wise.  I'd rather have 6'2."  Tyquan Thornton is certainly intriguing, but there is a reason he' likely to fall into day 3 of the draft.  If Buffalo does their due diligence and thinks the weaknesses in his game can be coached up, I'd be OK with drafting him in round 4 or 5, but don't expect him to be real productive as a rookie.

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Man we have very different tastes in wide receivers. 

 

I think it would be a reach. But it is a reach we should absolutely be willing to gamble on. 

Posted this in the Mock Drafts thread but haven't received any responses. May be better to post in a thread more people are interested in.

 

There is a lot of discussions regarding reaching, value and 5th year options. So my question is, At what point is considered a reach? Poor Value? Versus having the 5th year option?

 

For instance (just using a player, not saying right or wrong). You can use any top 5-10 pick of the 2nd round you like.

 

Kyler Gordon. Most project as a top of the 2nd rnd pick. Would it really be a bad choice/reach to take him at 25 and get the 5th year option if you are unable to find a trade back partner?