Breaking: Von Miller to bills, 6 year , 120 million

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

Love it.  Miller makes our D-line and entire defense that much better.  Fantastic addition to the locker room too.  I wanted him when he came out of college, and I feel like it's kind of come full circle by getting him here as he closes out a HOF career.

 

We don't need Von Miller to make the playoffs.  We're already a playoff team, and we'd get back to the postseason with or without him.  We didn't sign Von Miller to win the division.  We would probably win the division next year regardless.  We signed Miller for one reason and one reason only -- to win a super bowl.  And he signed with us because in his judgement Buffalo has a better chance of winning the super bowl than the team that just won the super bowl.

 

Not sure how a person could be unhappy with that.

We paid too much.

 

He wears glasses.

 

Why doesn't he spell his name Vaughn?

 

Can he play in snow?

 

Did his girlfriend ever give back the engagement ring?  Oh, that was the other guy.

 

I hear he eats his wings with ranch dressing.

 

I don't know why I'd be unhappy with it, either. 

 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Miller cost $17.5 million per; Hughes plus Addison = $17.6 in 2021; we get YOUNGER and better!  Miller much > Hughes+Addison

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

I wonder if there’s any significance to the number 40. He wore 58 all those years in Denver, 40 with the Rams, and is now asking for 40 again in Buffalo. Where are my sleuths?

 

Who wears #58 on the Bills? 

 

Who wears #40 on the Bills?  🦗

 

Investigation over, complete

[Draconator]

7 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

so i dont do much on twitter(3 followers) but i have an account just to scroll and view quick reporting.... my god, the amount of people that dont understand how current NFL contracts work is alarming.

You could also read TBD

[MrEpsYtown]

10 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

Remember when no one wanted to draft Von Miller cause he reminded people of Aaron Maybin...

 

That was a hot take! But I can't judge. I wanted Blaine Gabbert that year. 🤮

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Who wears #58 on the Bills? 

 

Who wears #40 on the Bills?  🦗

 

Investigation over, complete

 

I wonder if Milano will switch to his college number 28? Wasn't there some rule that you had to buy back unsold jerseys up until this year? Like will we see a bunch of number changes this off season? 

[stevewin]

17 minutes ago, teef said:

the war cry for pats fans is definitely 6 years...120 million!  he'll be so old!

For the next 6 years I'll be smiling 120 million times at the Patriots'*** ceiling of mediocrity

[PatsFanNH]

11 hours ago, daz28 said:

Even at 35, he's not going to be the 60th worst DE in the game.  He'll just be a somewhat overpaid one.  It's not like he'll be so bad we'd have to cut him, and crush our cap doing so. 

At 35 no one knows what he will be like. He could be (as one talking head loves to say) falling off a cliff then, or maybe just gets banged up and takes him a lot longer to recover. That’s why I said POSSIBLY for the third year, he also could be fine! I think for the Bills and where the team is it was a SMART signing.. I just don’t know if it gets you over the hump.. 

[nucci]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3a913419-bb7d-48b1-acf4-fbe355a1839e

[wnyguy]

Wow, and I didn't even know Von Miller played for Carolina.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

That was a hot take! But I can't judge. I wanted Blaine Gabbert that year. 🤮

 

I wonder if Milano will switch to his college number 28? Wasn't there some rule that you had to buy back unsold jerseys up until this year? Like will we see a bunch of number changes this off season? 

 

Von Miller already asked on Insta if 40 was available.

 

I think if a backup or PS player has the number you want, it's considered OK to ask, but kind of "bad locker room manners" to ask for the number of an established starter (especially one who is a playmaker on your side of the ball).

 

So if, say, Reggie Gilliam were #58, Von would be "hey, would you let me have that number?" 

Asking for the number of a guy who was one of the leading tacklers and in fact led the team in TFL last year is probably not the way you want to enter the room.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Bandito said:

This is true. But also you are scared for your Patsies. Enjoy!

Nah! I enjoy seeing good football. I am hoping resigning McCourty means they draft a couple good corners early like Booth and Coby… and have them learn under fire. It was o virus they needed to rip the D apart after 2 straight games without a Bills punt lol

[Stank_Nasty]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

At 35 no one knows what he will be like. He could be (as one talking head loves to say) falling off a cliff then, or maybe just gets banged up and takes him a lot longer to recover. That’s why I said POSSIBLY for the third year, he also could be fine! I think for the Bills and where the team is it was a SMART signing.. I just don’t know if it gets you over the hump.. 

The bills were already over the hump and it took a flukey turn of events to change that. This was a superbowl team before this signing.

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

The bills were already over the hump and it took a flukey turn of events to change that. This was a superbowl team before this signing.

A fluke? Neither team had a D that game. It was horrible… wasn’t flukey but it was terrible D.. you could say Tre White back there it doesn’t happen or Miller gets to Mahomes next year would change that!! But definitely not flukey, just like my Pats stunk it up on D against the bills (in a much more amazing way lol) the bills D showed no fortitude against the Chiefs.

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

It’s always darkest once the dusk settles.

 

So by inference, Miller will make the players on the Bills DL better, right? If he’s being overpaid by giving him the money that used to go to Hughes and Addison, that’s still a subjective opinion that’s going to be governed by results. I don’t think you can make that claim based on the comps in this FA period. If 3/52 is the going rate for Chandler then it’s the going rate for a guy like Von too.

 

Running an argument one way but not the other diminishes the point. Sort of like mixing metaphors. It bottles the mind.

I fully understand your point. Let me try to unbottle your mind. I  overreacted to the signing. I just saw headlines of 6 years 120 mil without knowing the details. My mistake. Several here have justly made that point. Some nice and professional others not so much. 

 

As I've stated I don't hate the signing. My eyeball test as stated before doesn't see Miller as elite but 2021 statistics show that he is. So it's probably safer to say my eyes aren't seeing things accurately. However, stats can be deceiving.

 

It remains to be seen how good he will be as a Bill. 

 

Hope that helps 

Edited March 17, 2022 by newcam2012

[BMWR100RT]

F5

[Stank_Nasty]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

A fluke? Neither team had a D that game. It was horrible… wasn’t flukey but it was terrible D.. you could say Tre White back there it doesn’t happen or Miller gets to Mahomes next year would change that!! But definitely not flukey, just like my Pats stunk it up on D against the bills (in a much more amazing way lol) the bills D showed no fortitude against the Chiefs.

bro... it was the first time in over 15 years a team took the lead with 13 seconds or less and lost that game. and i'd bet LARGE money that mahomes never pulls something like that off again... so stop it. you're wrong.

 

you could even blame it on horrible situational football from our coaches. but the bills ROSTER was superbowl caliber and showed it. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[SWATeam]

So this cements that we play the opening game, right?

[stuvian]

so I guess this means we're kinda sorta like in win now mode?!

[Motor26]

6 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

So this cements that we play the opening game, right?

I bet that game goes to the cowgirls.

[nbbillsfan]

I’m sorry if this has been answered…

 

I see the contrast is essentially 3 yrs $53 million. Chandler jones got 3 yrs $52.5 million. Which contracts structure is more team friendly and hoe does Vons extra years work?

[nucci]

20 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I fully understand your point. Let me try to unbottle your mind. I  overreacted to the signing. I just saw headlines of 6 years 20 mil without knowing the details. My mistake. Several here have pointed justly made that point. Some nice and professional others not so much. 

 

As I've stated I don't hate the signing. My eyeball test as stated before doesn't see Miller as elite but 2021 statistics show that he is. So it's probably safer to say my eyes aren't seeing things accurately. However, stats can be deceiving.

 

It remains to be seen how good he will be as a Bill. 

 

Hope that helps 

obviously, since the season hasn't started. Don't worry about stats. 

Look at how good he is

Edited March 17, 2022 by nucci

[Hapless Bills Fan]

So of course, the details of the contract aren't out except this:

 

 

It might be worth pointing out that Von Miller's last contract with the Broncos was 6 years, $117M with a signing bonus of $17M and $42M guaranteed at signing, $70M guaranteed overall.  He played out 5.5 years of it before being traded.

 

Obviously there's a lot of "Devil in the Details" of how this is structured.  Practically speaking, the reason teams shy away from huge signing bonuses is because that's guaranteed money whether the player kicks ass or "goes on vacation", but when the money is guaranteed either way, there's a lot of freedom in how the money gets moved around between salary and bonus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[harryS]

I like the signing but I also wish we had just traded for him.  Maybe the Bills and Rams would swap roles right now, with the Rams trying to go all-in again and signing MIller to a massive contract while the Bills celebrate a Lombardi.

[MrEpsYtown]

4 minutes ago, harryS said:

I like the signing but I also wish we had just traded for him.  Maybe the Bills and Rams would swap roles right now, with the Rams trying to go all-in again and signing MIller to a massive contract while the Bills celebrate a Lombardi.

 

I am happy we still have our picks. Watching the Bills play last season, I never got the sense that it was our year. Now, it is starting to feel like this team is being set up to take that next step. 

[aristocrat]

The great defensive ends have all managed to play well into their 30's. Bruce until he was 40, Reggie White until he was 37. More recent guys like Peppers til he was 37 and that's off the top of my head. No reason to think he can't be very effective for a few years of this deal.  He's been very healthy with only a handful of missed games in recent years. 

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Who wears #58 on the Bills? 

 

Who wears #40 on the Bills?  🦗

 

Investigation over, complete

That may be part of the reason. I got the full answer from his wiki page:

 

Quote

He wore No. 58 in honor of Pro Football Hall of Fame linebacker Derrick Thomas.
 

Miller chose to wear number 40 for the Rams, his number at Texas A&M, with the familial blessing of Rams legend Elroy Hirsch since his number 58 was taken by Justin Hollins.

 

[SCBills]

Just now, aristocrat said:

The great defensive ends have all managed to play well into their 30's. Bruce until he was 40, Reggie White until he was 37. More recent guys like Peppers til he was 37 and that's off the top of my head. No reason to think he can't be very effective for a few years of this deal.  He's been very healthy with only a handful of missed games in recent years. 

 

I think we, and Von, likely know this is a 3 year deal....but no reason to not think he won't play at a high level for these 3 years.   Especially with McDermott's philosophy of using a heavy DL rotation.  

 

If I'm Buffalo, I use him as sparingly as possible against meh teams, and then unleash him in big games and the playoffs.

[hondo in seattle]

I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing.   

 

Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo.  Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable.  

 

And then there's the opportunity cost.  What players will we pass up because  so much money is tied up in Von?   That's my worry.

 

But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details.  If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year....  maybe Von is almost worth his price.

 

 

 

 

[SWATeam]

Just now, aristocrat said:

The great defensive ends have all managed to play well into their 30's. Bruce until he was 40, Reggie White until he was 37. More recent guys like Peppers til he was 37 and that's off the top of my head. No reason to think he can't be very effective for a few years of this deal.  He's been very healthy with only a handful of missed games in recent years. 

I think effective older players is going to be a trend with advances made in such things as nutrition and sports medicine.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

I think effective older players is going to be a trend with advances made in such things as nutrition and sports medicine.

and practices are easier and most vets always get an extra day off during the week

[ALF]

$13.5M  cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing.   

 

Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo.  Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable.  

 

And then there's the opportunity cost.  What players will we pass up because  so much money is tied up in Von?   That's my worry.

 

But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details.  If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year....  maybe Von is almost worth his price.

 

 

 

 

Can't predict it but yeah there's going to be dead cap with this deal most likely in 2024 or 2025. There's ways to offset that dead cap. The easiest way will be converting Josh Allen base salary into bonus. It'll create all the cap room needed to cover any potential dead cap from Von Miller.

 

The Bills are in great shape cap wise as of now. We don't know what happens in the future. 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

$13.5M  cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

[GolfandBills]

Greg Tompsett from cover 1 said on their most recent podcast that he thinks Millers cap hit this year will be around 7 million, next year around 10 million then year three it will go up quite a bit.  

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

$13.5M  cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

That’s not counting contracts for Miller, Jones, Saffold, Howard.  

[17islongenough]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

$13.5M  cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

When did Wade sign?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

$13.5M  cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

We're not. That doesn't include a lot of things.

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing.   

 

Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo.  Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable.  

 

And then there's the opportunity cost.  What players will we pass up because  so much money is tied up in Von?   That's my worry.

 

But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details.  If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year....  maybe Von is almost worth his price.

 

 

 

 

 

Von Miller and Chandler Jones were the only two elite pass rushers on the FA market.  Both are the same age.  Both got, basically, guaranteed 3 year contracts.  

 

The next level were guys like Zadarius Smith, Uchenna Nwosu etc.. a step down for Miller & Jones.

 

Then there's the trade market.   We saw what 31 yr old Khalil Mack went for.  Danielle Hunter is reportedly being shopped, but I have to believe the asking price starts at a 1st RD pick minimum... only 27, but with a rough injury history the past two years. 

[Draconator]

1000

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing.   

 

Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo.  Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable.  

 

And then there's the opportunity cost.  What players will we pass up because  so much money is tied up in Von?   That's my worry.

 

But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details.  If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year....  maybe Von is almost worth his price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is the same age as Chandler Jones and Mack and they are still productive.