Breaking: Von Miller to bills, 6 year , 120 million

[NewEra]

47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well some people who were working OT making excuses about why the Bills couldn't afford an elite pass rusher gotta' say something now that it happened, right? 😉

Hahahaha. They’re the ones sayin that Miller won’t be any good in 6 years and the contract is way too long. 
 

amen brother!  We got von! Beane stepped up to the plate.  Thoughts on the Howard pickup?  I’m stoked about that one too.  Good start

Just now, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

Stop while you still have an account

[BillsVet]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

Thank you, I shall treasure it always!

 

(You’re happy about this signing though, right? Or still mad at Beane for…reasons?)

 

Yes I am.   And the concept of signing another receiving TE.  

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who pissed in your coffee? 

Just being realistic in my eyes. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. 

[Tuco]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

granted the cap is a complicated formula that very few can truly explain. One of those is a poster named @Tuco I hope he chimes in. 

Aww shucks.

 

It's likely really a 2-3 year deal that will stick us with a good amount of dead cap in '25 or so. But everybody knows that.

 

I would expect to see a modest but guaranteed first year salary, and of course a signing bonus prorated for 5 years. Year 2 will be more costly but still not as bad as it will initially seem. The reason it's 6 years is so they can include more fully guaranteed money at signing but spread it out a little further. Expect year 2 to have a nice large guaranteed option bonus that will show a large cap hit in 2023, but will be converted into signing bonus at the start of '23 and can then be prorated over years 2-6 of the deal. Year 2 will also likely include a trigger of some sort that will guarantee at least some of the '24 salary. As will year 3 and maybe even 4. Or possibly a sizeable roster bonus instead. Either one will force the Bills to make a decision early on an aging vet with a monster contract starting in 2024.

 

 

[The Dean]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

Just being realistic in my eyes. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. 

 

 

Debbie doesn't "try". She just "is".

[BillsShredder83]

5 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

its almost like inflation of nfl contracts have exploded in 6 years lol..... or inflation of even; gas eggs rent

[NewEra]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

Just being realistic in my eyes. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. 

“Your eyes”

[BillsShredder83]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

with a knowledeable argument like that, i think everyone needs to take you seriously. We shouldve traded for feared interior DLineman Sam Darnold!!!

 

WAKE UP BEANE!!!!!!!!

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Aww shucks.

 

It's likely really a 2-3 year deal that will stick us with a good amount of dead cap in '25 or so. But everybody knows that.

 

I would expect to see a modest but guaranteed first year salary, and of course a signing bonus prorated for 5 years. Year 2 will be more costly but still not as bad as it will initially seem. The reason it's 6 years is so they can include more fully guaranteed money at signing but spread it out a little further. Expect year 2 to have a nice large guaranteed option bonus that will show a large cap hit in 2023, but will be converted into signing bonus at the start of '23 and can then be prorated over years 2-6 of the deal. Year 2 will also likely include a trigger of some sort that will guarantee at least some of the '24 salary. As will year 3 and maybe even 4. Or possibly a sizeable roster bonus instead. Either one will force the Bills to make a decision early on an aging vet with a monster contract starting in 2024.

 

 

you're the man with the answers to cap questions mate, Own it 🙂  great to read you here.

[newcam2012]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

with a knowledeable argument like that, i think everyone needs to take you seriously. We shouldve traded for feared interior DLineman Sam Darnold!!!

 

WAKE UP BEANE!!!!!!!!

Nice jab. You get my point. 

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

This reads like you had a few too many beers.

 

You keep talking about how Miller has slowed down/regressed except the numbers don't reflect that, in fact none of the metrics that you associate with DEs say anything like it. 

 

What they do say is that he's still a highly effective DE with excellent body control, a great pressure win rate, bend, and someone who needs to be accounted for on the field by offenses. He was much, much more efficient last season (a very down season, according to you) than anyone the Bills had. 

 

If you're going to make the claim, back it up with facts.  Playing with Donald is not a negative, and it's ridiculous to somehow hold it against him (playing with Darnold is something entirely different).

These are poor, low information takes that don't make much sense. You're railing against a contract you're willfully not understanding; you're calling a player bad when the reality he's better than anyone the Bills currently have rostered.  It's just silly. 

[Special K]

13 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Do you see a trade of Epenesa to another team ?

 

Just curious......why??

 

He’s on a rookie contract, and could improve with Miller mentoring him and the other young guys on the D-line.

[Logic]

Just heard on the Cover 1 show that Von Miller, in 19 games in 2021 (so that includes playoffs and Super Bowl, obviously)...had:

82 pressures (!)
13 sacks
10 hits
59 hurries (2nd in the NFL)

20.4 pass rush win percentage (8th in the NFL)

And let's not forget that four of those sacks came in the playoffs (two in the Super Bowl).

Any notion that Miller is not still a very dangerous pass rusher is incorrect. He's still a hell of a player.

Also, the fact that we will have DaQuan Jones eating double teams, leaving Ed Oliver and Von Miller potentially in one-on-ones, is super exciting.

Also also, as an added bonus, Miller is known to be one of the most generous teachers of younger players in the league. He runs his own pass rush summit every year, because he's eager to teach the tools of the trade to up and coming pass rushers. He's gonna do wonders for our trio of youngsters.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Logic

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

Idk man watch his playoff highlights…he beats his blocker pretty much every single snap.  I think he’s underrated if anything lol I don’t think even the excited people are excited enough.  He also only got half a season with Aaron Donald where he was learning a new defensive scheme mid season..we’ll never know but he likely would’ve been well into the double digit sack totals with a full season on the rams.  I think if you want to root against this signing your only hope is he gets injured…von miller is about as sure of a thing as it gets when healthy.  Dude is in the backfield instantly…really cuts down on your opponents ability to run deep routes down the field when he’s not piling up the sacks.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

Reminds me of the day we signed Mario Williams.

 

Kinda. Except we knew that was going down and were refreshing all day. This really came out of NO WHERE. Quite the surprise!

 

GO BILLS!

[Logic]

12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

Von Miller's 2021 (19 games, including playoffs):

 

82 pressures 
13 sacks
10 hits
59 hurries (2nd in the NFL)

20.4 pass rush win percentage (8th in the NFL)


Sorry to repeat myself, but Von Miller is ABSOLUTELY still a force. That's what "taking a closer look" reveals.

[Tenhigh]

12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

Your poor wife.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

This reads like you had a few too many beers.

 

Prolly did.  Let him sleep it off.

[Fan in Chicago]

Finally got the guy we wanted but got picked before the tub of lard we chose. 

[SCBills]

Opposing fanbase reactions in summary:

 

Von Miller signed with the Buffalo Bills 😳

 

6 years / 120M 🤡

 

Essentially 3 years / 53M 🤬

[billsfan1959]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

Where's BillsVet to crap all over Beane?

Honestly, he’s been whining non-stop for two days…

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I must recommend this video clip.  Watching this video clip will NEVER get old.

 

 

[Turbo44]

14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

You know what….call me crazy but I think I’ll trust Beane’s analysis here. 

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

This reads like you had a few too many beers.

 

You keep talking about how Miller has slowed down/regressed except the numbers don't reflect that, in fact none of the metrics that you associate with DEs say anything like it. 

 

What they do say is that he's still a highly effective DE with excellent body control, a great pressure win rate, bend, and someone who needs to be accounted for on the field by offenses. He was much, much more efficient last season (a very down season, according to you) than anyone the Bills had. 

 

If you're going to make the claim, back it up with facts.  Playing with Donald is not a negative, and it's ridiculous to somehow hold it against him (playing with Darnold is something entirely different).

These are poor, low information takes that don't make much sense. You're railing against a contract you're willfully not understanding; you're calling a player bad when the reality he's better than anyone the Bills currently have rostered.  It's just silly. 

Fair points but Let me respond. I've never sad he's a bad player. I've said he's not the player he used to be. I stand by that statement. Sure I've over exaggerated my points. I'll concede that. Saying he's better than anything we have on the roster isn't saying much. I agree with you there. He's getting paid beyond well and is dare to say over paid. His agent did a helleva job.

 

Lastly, I think it's more than fair to point out his all pro teammate. Players make players better. To think otherwise is ridiculous. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

Von Miller's 2021 (19 games, including playoffs):

 

82 pressures 
13 sacks
10 hits
59 hurries (2nd in the NFL)

20.4 pass rush win percentage (8th in the NFL)


Sorry to repeat myself, but Von Miller is ABSOLUTELY still a force. That's what "taking a closer look" reveals.

People only care about sacks lol it’s criminal…an edge rusher could force a qb to throw the ball away every play and single handedly hold their opponent to 0 points and people would say they’re trash cuz they had no sacks 😂

[daz28]

16 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism.

Snap count was over 700 I think.  He's on the field a lot.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Turbo44 said:

You know what….call me crazy but I think I’ll trust Beane’s analysis here. 

I’m not normally one to rely on pff but I’ll take them over some of the posters here haha he’s one of their highest ranked edge rushers 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Snap count was over 700 I think.  He's on the field a lot.

 

78% of the snaps.  76% with the Ponies and 79% with the Lambs.

84% in 2019.

[Bruffalo]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Fair points but Let me respond. I've never sad he's a bad player. I've said he's not the player he used to be. I stand by that statement. Sure I've over exaggerated my points. I'll concede that. Saying he's better than anything we have on the roster isn't saying much. I agree with you there. He's getting paid beyond well and is dare to say over paid. His agent did a helleva job.

 

Lastly, I think it's more than fair to point out his all pro teammate. Players make players better. To think otherwise is ridiculous. 

Okay.  I'd like you to show me how he's not the player he used to be, which has always been a very effective DE.

 

To be more direct: Where has his game suffered over the years that's a concern for you? 

 

I don't see how 17ish million a year is an overpay.  It's very similar to Chandler Jones, who is by all metrics around as efficient as Miller.  Better yet, show me a player with a similar statline who has gotten paid much less this season. I don't think you're going to find it because this is a very fair market value. 

 

"Players make players better".  Well I'll say that I hope that's true, because of one of the benefits of having a superstar leader like Miller is that your young DE core gets to learn from one of the best ever.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Bruffalo
Trying to be more direct

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’m not normally one to rely on pff but I’ll take them over some of the posters here haha he’s one of their highest ranked edge rushers 

 

I think Matthew Judon's reaction says it all

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, die hard bills fan said:

Was following TBD all day for nada.  The hour I'm gone this happens. Excellent move.😃

so why don’t you make like a tree and get outta here?

[Logic]

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Fair points but Let me respond. I've never sad he's a bad player. I've said he's not the player he used to be. I stand by that statement. Sure I've over exaggerated my points. I'll concede that. Saying he's better than anything we have on the roster isn't saying much. I agree with you there. He's getting paid beyond well and is dare to say over paid. His agent did a helleva job.

 

Lastly, I think it's more than fair to point out his all pro teammate. Players make players better. To think otherwise is ridiculous. 

Not much better you can get than 2nd in the league in hurries haha 

[KingBoots8]

So, the thing about Von Miller is that he’s won a championship for every team he has played for professionally. 

i mean, historically speaking that could be a sign for us… right?? 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

This is just crazy. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Reggie White was 32 when Green Bay signed him. Had 68 sacks in 6 years for Green Bay.

[SCBills]

This must have been posted already, but this is all of us…

 

 

[daz28]

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

What does that mean?

It means that this guy retires a Bill.  Julius Peppers played until he was 38, so if Miller stays good, and by some miracle is still playing well into his 4th and 5th year, we can still add void years to make those horrid cap hits in those years lower, then pay the price when he's spent and retires.  That's a long sentence.  Anyways is we ride him into the dirt.  He retires a Bill.  Be kinda cool to see him open the new stadium.  🤪

Edited March 17, 2022 by daz28