Cole Beasley given permission to seek trade

[frogger]

A Giant’s 5th sounds about right

[Preds]

Seems like the Giants are the perfect trading partner.

Package Beasley and a 5th or 6th to Jersey for Saquon.  Saquan is reportedly worth a 4th, so Beas and a later pick seems right.  Daboll needs Beas to help Jones.   

[NoSaint]

47 minutes ago, benderbender said:

Beasley’s health opinion: vaccines are a personal choice  

Fans: Boo trade him for a pickled egg

 

Gronk’s health opinion: Tre White’s exposed head should be a target for my metal arm

 

Fans: Sign him at all costs

beasleys ypc: 8.5

gronks ypc: 14.6

[Ross Murdock]

I used to think that having Beasley made Josh look better then he was. It turned out being it was the other way around. Good luck Beas catching passes from Daniel Jones. Look for his production to drop 50%. Not sure why there not much McK love here. I think he'd be a huge upgrade at this point, plus he has many more additional skills. Sign him. The grass is seldom always greener.         

[cwater10]

Just doing his own research again?

[KOKBILLS]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Welp I’m guessing they will give him Cole’s money 

 

 

 

At least some of it...

 

I'd like to see them go get Berrios now...

Edited March 5, 2022 by KOKBILLS

[SF Bills Fan]

I’d rather see us figure a way to keep him. His production dropped a little bit but he is still a key contributor and I think we’ll need him next year when we make a real big push for the Super Bowl

[Momma Pecoraro]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It’d be better for Beasley if he was cut than traded.  That tells me the Bills aren’t asking for a re-structure because then Beasley would just say cut me.   

 

I don't agree that it would be better for him to be cut than traded.  He's in line to get $6.1M between roster, workout bonuses and salary.

 

I'm not so sure he gets that on the open market.  He *might* get $6M in non-guaranteed salary, or he might get $3M, or he might get vet min.

 

 

5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

The guy has never played like Kupp.  If he had that kind of talent, we would have seen it by now.  Love him, great role player, but he is a role player.  Some team that thinks they have a one-year window might bite, a team that sees him as the crucial final piece for the receiver room.  But not a team that is building for the long term.  

 

It's not just that, but he had a wildly successful 2020 running option routes and Mouse Davis/June Jones secondary route concepts.  Those were a lot less successful this past season for a number of reasons.

 

We don't know yet what kind of offense Ken Dorsey and Joe Brady intend to install, but if they intend to cut back on the option routes and Davis/Jones secondary route concepts, their offense might not suit Beasley as well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said:

I’d rather see us figure a way to keep him. His production dropped a little bit but he is still a key contributor and I think we’ll need him next year when we make a real big push for the Super Bowl

 

~30% less receiving yards and ~40% fewer 1Ds on 5 more targets and the exact same number of receptions.

 

What's "a little bit" look like to you?

1 hour ago, Preds said:

Seems like the Giants are the perfect trading partner.

Package Beasley and a 5th or 6th to Jersey for Saquon.  Saquan is reportedly worth a 4th, so Beas and a later pick seems right.  Daboll needs Beas to help Jones.   

 

That's actually not a totally unreasonable suggestion value for value. 

 

Unless Bease renegotiates though, not sure the G-men have the cap space even after they dump Barkley

[1st&Goal]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes it is a brutal business. We all love what Beasley brought but we felt the same about Robert Woods and John Brown. In life you either get too expensive or too old. There's alot of fast wrs in this draft who might actually help dig us out of YAC last place.

  I thought that we tried to keep Woods but that he wanted to move to the Left Coast.

 

[Nebillzfan]

So is hodgins going to ever see the field or take his spot

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 hour ago, SF Bills Fan said:

I’d rather see us figure a way to keep him. His production dropped a little bit but he is still a key contributor and I think we’ll need him next year when we make a real big push for the Super Bowl

 Honestly it would bum me out to not see him here when we win it

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

 Honestly it would bum me out to not see him here when we win it

WHEN we win a Super Bowl, there will be players who, even if they aren’t on the team, we will remember as the building blocks that got us there.  
 

Cole Beasley will certainly be one of those guys.   

[DJB]

Loved Beasley early on as he was exactly what Josh needed. 

 

But this year showed me that id rather have Lil Dirty at far cheaper and way less distractions. Plus Dirty brings some juice for explosive play opportunities 

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

It's not just that, but he had a wildly successful 2020 running option routes and Mouse Davis/June Jones secondary route concepts.  Those were a lot less successful this past season for a number of reasons.

 

We don't know yet what kind of offense Ken Dorsey and Joe Brady intend to install, but if they intend to cut back on the option routes and Davis/Jones secondary route concepts, their offense might not suit Beasley as well.

Thanks.  That's a better informed statement of what I've been trying to say about things changing.  Teams adjust, and what used to work doesn't necessarily work any longer.  Players come and go, coaches come and go, and change happens.   The Bills' passing game in 22 will be different from 21, and that's true whether Beasley stays or goes.  And if he goes, the Bills' passing game will be better or worse, not so much because Beasley left as because it's a new season with new players, new coaches, and new challenges.  

 

McDermott's plan is to build and build and build.  That necessarily means that there's always going to be some tearing down in order to build some more.   Your core guys, you keep for as long as you can; they're your foundation.  But the other guys get cleared out so more building can go on.  Smoke, probably McKenzie, Beas, maybe Sanders.  They aren't the core, and it seems the Bills and Cole have decided that it's the end of the road for Beas.  It's all in the ordinary course of team management.  

35 minutes ago, SCBills said:

WHEN we win a Super Bowl, there will be players who, even if they aren’t on the team, we will remember as the building blocks that got us there.  
 

Cole Beasley will certainly be one of those guys.   

Kyle Williams was the first.  Sometime after they win it, McDermott will give credit to the players who came before.  Williams will be on the top of the list, and I agree that Beasley certainly should be on it, too.  

[Locomark]

4 hours ago, Preds said:

Seems like the Giants are the perfect trading partner.

Package Beasley and a 5th or 6th to Jersey for Saquon.  Saquan is reportedly worth a 4th, so Beas and a later pick seems right.  Daboll needs Beas to help Jones.   

Nfl network said Saquon is not on the market. 

[KingBoots8]

I’m just looking at his on the field stuff here, but man was Cole a damn sure thing on 3rd down so many times. I’m not sure what led to this but I hope he gets what he needs and we get someone with hands like his. I respect what he brought on the field and what he did to help Josh become who he is.

 

Best of luck Beas. Thank you for being part of something special

[Locomark]

Look at every quality Bills WR at playing age 33 and then go look at their production. Only a HOFer will be highly productive. 
Sorry but Beasley’s size and age are now showing up in his durability and agility, so even though he plays hurt it affects his production and takes someone else off the field that has more athleticism, so he must be a bargain basement signing or he needs to go. 
Belicheat sucks but he always knew when players needed to go before their downturn. Time for us to stop hanging onto players who are going downward because we like them. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by Locomark

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Preds said:

Seems like the Giants are the perfect trading partner.

Package Beasley and a 5th or 6th to Jersey for Saquon.  Saquan is reportedly worth a 4th, so Beas and a later pick seems right.  Daboll needs Beas to help Jones.   

seems like an awful fit for importing a team first culture like you would want from your old building… but what do I know, beane traded for KB

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

It was the same idiot on both calls. The 1pm-3pm laughed at him so he called bulldog at 3:10 to bring it up again and basically got laughed at again

 

He should be working for WGR.

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Yes, but it's a question of dollars.  Moving on from Beas, giving Davis a bigger role and adding a new face can be just as effective, and will cost less or build better the future.  

I agree, It’s better to let talent go early than to keep that talent past its prime, SOP for our former nemesis, the pats, it’s just smart business , when you are in it for the long haul, as the Bills are. 
 

Go Bills!!’

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Not an unfair assessment.  But through it all, his stubborn toughness is what stands out, and I'll always admire him for that. 

 

 

No doubt he's a gamer between the lines but the combination of diminishing skills, expensive contract and being unhappy for the past year in Buffalo necessitates a change.

 

I don't think we want to see what Cole Beasley looks like AFTER accepting a pay cut in exchange for some guarantees.

 

He might pluck another tooth out,  write a rap song about how racist Buffalo is to get Beane to cut him or pull a Richie Incognito and retire when it's too late to replace him.

 

 

[purple haze]

12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Well, the way I saw it - there was two options with Cole Beasley.

 

1.) He stays with a reduced cap figure through a pay cut or some kind of conversion to bonus (if possible) 

 

2.) He's released

 

I'd imagine they approached him about option 1 and that led to him asking for a trade. Under no circumstance were we going to keep him at that number with Diggs and Davis on our roster, our cap situation, and what we need to get done at other positions. Knowing this, I'd doubt a team will trade for him when they know he'll most likely be available for nothing. 

 

Long story short, Cole Beasley will not be a Bill next year. 

That’s assuming only one team wants him.  I’m sure there’s a few teams who could use him.  In that case one of those teams tries to trade for him to make sure they get him.  
 

Depends how badly those teams want him.  Maybe they’re  willing to let him get released and try to outbid the other teams.   We’ll see soon enough.

Edited March 5, 2022 by purple haze

[Turk71]

12 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I’m surprised at all the people who want him gone. He made some incredible catches and moves for first downs to keep the chains moving in some important spots. 

His first down %/trgt is the lowest among all Bills wrs.

Allen's passer rating when targeting Beasley is the lowest among all Bills wrs. 

He'll be 33 this year.

Goodbye Cole

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

His first down %/trgt is the lowest among all Bills wrs.

Allen's passer rating when targeting Beasley is the lowest among all Bills wrs. 

He'll be 33 this year.

Goodbye Cole

 

I woudn't disagree that age, recent injury history, and decline in 1st downs and yds/tgt between 2020 and 2021 combined with the need to make cap decisions make it reasonable to ask if Beasley is on the downward slope and it might be time to move on.

 

I'm curious what "passer rating when targeting Beasley" means - where is this info available?  how is it calculated?

The thing is, if it's somehow trying to look at incompletions, sacks, interceptions etc when targeting a WR ....Beasley IS the slot guy, and he DOES run option routes so by the nature of his job description, if he and Josh aren't on the same page, Picks gonna Happen.

 

Beasley has one of the higher completion % of the Bills WR, and by nature of often being the guy with the shallow routes, has a harder grind to get 1st downs.

 

I think he can still play and is a genius at getting open vs. zone.  But hard cap choices do have to be made.

 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

No doubt he's a gamer between the lines but the combination of diminishing skills, expensive contract and being unhappy for the past year in Buffalo necessitates a change.

 

I don't think we want to see what Cole Beasley looks like AFTER accepting a pay cut in exchange for some guarantees.

 

I agree with the folks upthread who say Beasley wouldn't accept a paycut.  He thinks too highly of his professional skills.

[pennstate10]

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I would like to see Dotson with a good QB. No offense to Nit fans. 

Huge Nit fan here. 
would love to see Dotson with a good QB. 
Dude was outstanding with a pretty marginBal QB throwing to him. 

[That's No Moon]

I wouldn't mind one more season, just not at that price tag.  Especially if you are thinking they are adding another solid TE to the mix. Entertaining the Gronkowski myth for a second, he'd be TE #2 on the field because you aren't taking Knox off.  That takes your slot WR off the field more often which means you can't pay the slot WR as much money whether it's Beasley or McKenzie or whoever.

 

Crowder will be too expensive and is hurt a lot. Berrios is hurt more than Crowder and has a much shorter resume. I could be tempted to look at Zach Pascal for the right amount of money.

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I woudn't disagree that age, recent injury history, and decline in 1st downs and yds/tgt between 2020 and 2021 combined with the need to make cap decisions make it reasonable to ask if Beasley is on the downward slope and it might be time to move on.

 

I'm curious what "passer rating when targeting Beasley" means - where is this info available?  how is it calculated?

The thing is, if it's somehow trying to look at incompletions, sacks, interceptions etc when targeting a WR ....Beasley IS the slot guy, and he DOES run option routes so by the nature of his job description, if he and Josh aren't on the same page, Picks gonna Happen.

 

Beasley has one of the higher completion % of the Bills WR, and by nature of often being the guy with the shallow routes, has a harder grind to get 1st downs.

 

I think he can still play and is a genius at getting open vs. zone.  But hard cap choices do have to be made.

Advanced receiving stats at Pro Football Reference 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/receiving_advanced.htm Passer rating when targeted is simply the total results of Beasley's targets using whatever the passer rating formula is.

I think he's still good enough to play a couple more years. I just think because of a combination of many factors it won't be on the Bills. I don't see it as any major loss either at this point in his career. He had a good career resurgence in Buffalo and I think it was a good move for both sides. Time to move on imo.

[Utah John]

Beasley was our Kelce this year and last year, the guy who always got open and moved the chains.  Of course Kelce is also a bigger downfield threat, but they had the same role when it came to first downs.  

 

I think the Bills are trying to sign Gronk and use Gronk as the chain mover.  He's not very elusive but he's a reliable catcher, and he can still get downfield.  And, he's a much better blocker than Beasley, so if the run game is going to get improved this would be a good step.

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Advanced receiving stats at Pro Football Reference 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/receiving_advanced.htm Passer rating when targeted is simply the total results of Beasley's targets using whatever the passer rating formula is.

I think he's still good enough to play a couple more years. I just think because of a combination of many factors it won't be on the Bills. I don't see it as any major loss either at this point in his career. He had a good career resurgence in Buffalo and I think it was a good move for both sides. Time to move on imo.

IIRC as the season progressed Beasley wasn’t seeing the field much against man heavy teams.  He was on it and still effective against zone heavy defenses, but that isn’t enough.  That’s when I knew they wouldn’t bring him back in 2022 (unless it was due to him playing with an injury).  

[BuffaloBill]

19 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Two happy meals with shamrock shakes.

 

Sadly, it was a shamrock shake that confirmed for me that I am lactose intolerant. I loved those things. If I an unexpectedly in a situation where I get a last meal before frying in the electric chair, I will have a shamrock shake as one of my beverage choices (assuming the authorities give me more than one, I will mull over single barrel bourbon choices in my cell before settling on a final selection).

[The Firebaugh Kid]

11 hours ago, SCBills said:

WHEN we win a Super Bowl, there will be players who, even if they aren’t on the team, we will remember as the building blocks that got us there.  
 

Cole Beasley will certainly be one of those guys.   

WHEN 💯 Go Bills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

54 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

Sadly, it was a shamrock shake that confirmed for me that I am lactose intolerant. I loved those things. If I an unexpectedly in a situation where I get a last meal before frying in the electric chair, I will have a shamrock shake as one of my beverage choices (assuming the authorities give me more than one, I will mull over single barrel bourbon choices in my cell before settling on a final selection).

 

LactAid?

[Shaw66]

10 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

I agree, It’s better to let talent go early than to keep that talent past its prime, SOP for our former nemesis, the pats, it’s just smart business , when you are in it for the long haul, as the Bills are. 
 

Go Bills!!’

 

Yes, it's better to give up old talent too early than to keep it too long. 

 

And it's better to keep young talent too long than to give up on it too early.   

 

That's why Beas is going and Stevenson is staying.  

 

That philosophy is going to give you second thoughts sometimes, like if Beas wins a ring somewhere else next season, but more often than not, it's the right philosophy.

[LyndonvilleBill]

Bye, Bye Beasley. 

 

Hello Lil' Dirty.😁

[Shaw66]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

No doubt he's a gamer between the lines but the combination of diminishing skills, expensive contract and being unhappy for the past year in Buffalo necessitates a change.

 

I don't think we want to see what Cole Beasley looks like AFTER accepting a pay cut in exchange for some guarantees.

 

He might pluck another tooth out,  write a rap song about how racist Buffalo is to get Beane to cut him or pull a Richie Incognito and retire when it's too late to replace him.

 

 

Most people in this thread, including you, seem to agree that whatever anyone things of him, it looks like your combination of factors means he's gone.

 

Maybe I should save it until after he's gone, but if we look back two years and think about what we expected of him the day the Bills signed Beasley and what the Bills got of him, it definitely was a great move by Beane.   Beasley outperformed my expectations, for sure, and I doubt there are many people whose expectations were so high for him that he underperformed.  He was worth the investment.  

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Most people in this thread, including you, seem to agree that whatever anyone things of him, it looks like your combination of factors means he's gone.

 

Maybe I should save it until after he's gone, but if we look back two years and think about what we expected of him the day the Bills signed Beasley and what the Bills got of him, it definitely was a great move by Beane.   Beasley outperformed my expectations, for sure, and I doubt there are many people whose expectations were so high for him that he underperformed.  He was worth the investment.  

I totally agree with your second paragraph and wouldn't hate it if he stayed. I just think he's worn out his welcome between the Covid crap, fan statement (booing) and now with permission to look for a trade..? Then add in age and salary? I just don't see him being here. But I do think he was worth it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Most people in this thread, including you, seem to agree that whatever anyone things of him, it looks like your combination of factors means he's gone.

 

Maybe I should save it until after he's gone, but if we look back two years and think about what we expected of him the day the Bills signed Beasley and what the Bills got of him, it definitely was a great move by Beane.   Beasley outperformed my expectations, for sure, and I doubt there are many people whose expectations were so high for him that he underperformed.  He was worth the investment.  

 

I'm really wondering if Beasley wants to go to the Giants and Daboll wants to bring him there. 

 

I believe an under-appreciated part of Beasley's contribution was to constantly be in Josh's ear in 2019 telling him "you can't wait until I'm open, you have to throw it with anticipation".  I'm sure Josh heard it from his coaches, but hearing it from a fellow player who says whatever the football player speak for "*****, that's a completion if you throw it before I turn, to the spot we expect I'll be"

 

Daboll may want a couple of savvy vet WR who can help develop Daniel Jones in a similar way.  I'm not sure they have that guy on their roster.

 

The Giants don't have the cap right now, but if they're willing to sign Beas to a 2 year deal with a void year, they could theoretically raise his AAV, drop his cap hit, and maybe trade a player back they might otherwise cut.

 

But that would be the sort of thing where the parties don't want to wait, hence "seek permission" to avoid "tampering"

[Chandler#81]

I just saw a report that states Beasley said Gabe Davis is so good, that he wouldn’t see the field much going forward -as a way of justifying his desire to seek a trade.

 

I’ve been all over the media now trying to re-locate this, but I’m sure it will come to light soon

Edited March 5, 2022 by Chandler#81