billsbackto81 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 7:21 PM, artmalibu said: If they are sold on him being a generational player I would say round 2. May sound crazy but if he is that good the one pick could make a big change in the field position battle every week. As a punter the transition to the NFL should be one of the easiest. That is hard to say about any other position. I dont know the guy at all but would expect him to have more than a strong leg. He would need to drop the ball inside the 20 every time. I know there have been a handful but how often do you hear the term "generational player" when it comes to punters.😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I hope we carry no punter into next year. On the rare occasion where we really need to do it just have Kumerow take a crack at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I know there have been a handful but how often do you hear the term "generational player" when it comes to punters.😂 Sebastian Janakowski (k) was a first round selection by Al Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 He’ll go in the 6th, weak arm, slow QBs and P/Ks never go as high as the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: I hope we carry no punter into next year. On the rare occasion where we really need to do it just have Kumerow take a crack at it. Divine intervention? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I know there have been a handful but how often do you hear the term "generational player" when it comes to punters.😂 The term "generational player" was used in the OP and hence why I used it. The OP made a case that the punter in question here is one. No punters are not hyped like the players who generate fantasy points but a great punter can make a big difference in the the outcome of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: He’ll go in the 6th, weak arm, slow QBs and P/Ks never go as high as the hype. Sebastian Janikowski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Draconator said: Sebastian Janikowski That was like 20 years ago and an idiot owner lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: That was like 20 years ago and an idiot owner lol Fact remains, you said never, and it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Draconator said: Fact remains, you said never, and it happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Draconator said: Fact remains, you said never, and it happened. Not to mention Tampa Bay took that idiot kicker in the second round a few years ago too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Bills fans and punters. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Bills fans and punters. Lol It is truly amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: He’ll go in the 6th, weak arm, slow QBs and P/Ks never go as high as the hype. I think the 5th. Two other great punters will go later (Penn state guy and GA guy) and any of the 3 will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 So to take Janikowski the Raiders passed on some good players like Shaun Alexander, Keith Bulluck. It was not a real strong first round aside from Brian Urlacher who was gone when they picked. They also passed on Erik Flowers and Travares Tillman. And some guy named Tom Brady. Also Michael Dickson went in the fifth. Pat O’Donnell in the 6th. Mitch Wishnowsky went in top of the 4th. Bryan Anger went in the 3rd. I think Araiza goes in the 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I expect him to be gone in the 3rd round. I wouldn't be surprised if a team takes him in the 2nd. Some might be stupid enough to take him in the 1st. Objectively speaking, he would have a 1st round grade. Only his position would stop teams from picking him high, but some teams still draft safeties, guards,centers, and Runningbacks high despite the warnings every year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: That was like 20 years ago and an idiot owner lol He also drafted a HOF punter in the 1st round who, like the PK, lasted a lot longer than most of the other 1st round picks that year. Now there's no way I'm advocating a punter in the 1st round, but there was a method to Al Davis' madness. He solidified a postion each time for a much longer time than most NFL careers last. Of course the better way to go is the way the Ravens have handled things having a long time P who was a 6th round pick going into his 17th season & an undrafted PK, considered one of, if not the best PKs in the NFL, going into season 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 He’d be an immediate starter. Don’t pigeonhole immediate starters into a poorly reasoned, preset round. Espensa was a 2nd rounder and from what I can see, will have less impact over his entire career than Araiza will have as a rookie. If he’s there in the 3rd, run up there. Our punter sucks and was by far the worst starter on the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Absolutely no way you draft a punter in the first 3 rounds unless you're absolutely desperate. I wouldn't even draft one in the 4th round unless you have several additional picks throughout the draft, even if they're an immediate impact player. Considering where this team's strengths are, do you really want to use a pick on someone who is only out there for 3 or 4 snaps a game, sometimes less? When the Bills are performing well (as they were in the playoffs), I don't want a valued draft pick going to someone who isn't even touching the field contributing to that. Hell, they don't even get to at least put points on the board like a FG kicker who can literally win a game. Great punting is valuable, but ST coverage goes hand-in-hand with their success far more than a place holder does with a FG kicker. So sure, we can all envision the perfect scenario of punt pinning a team back & bouncing out of bounds at the 2 yard line, but that'll be relatively rare as opposed to pretty much anything else of value that happens on the field. I'd rather have extra O-line, D-line, CB's, WR's, or even another RB before a punter... Just about anything else would be more impactful in 99% of snaps against key opponents throughout the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) You have to look at the teams with the most draft capital. Like the: Ravens who have five 4th round picks. Browns have two 3rds and three 4ths. Giants have two 1s and two 3s. The Eagles have three 1s, then 2,3,4 and three 5ths. They have 6 picks in the first four rounds. They can easily grab a punter. I think, the Bills would have to consider Araiza in front of these teams in the bottom of the third if they want him. Edited March 11, 2022 by MrEpsYtown 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: Absolutely no way you draft a punter in the first 3 rounds unless you're absolutely desperate. I wouldn't even draft one in the 4th round unless you have several additional picks throughout the draft, even if they're an immediate impact player. Considering where this team's strengths are, do you really want to use a pick on someone who is only out there for 3 or 4 snaps a game, sometimes less? When the Bills are performing well (as they were in the playoffs), I don't want a valued draft pick going to someone who isn't even touching the field contributing to that. Hell, they don't even get to at least put points on the board like a FG kicker who can literally win a game. Great punting is valuable, but ST coverage goes hand-in-hand with their success far more than a place holder does with a FG kicker. So sure, we can all envision the perfect scenario of punt pinning a team back & bouncing out of bounds at the 2 yard line, but that'll be relatively rare as opposed to pretty much anything else of value that happens on the field. I'd rather have extra O-line, D-line, CB's, WR's, or even another RB before a punter... Just about anything else would be more impactful in 99% of snaps against key opponents throughout the year. Agreed but it is silly that all the mocks people on this board put together have us taking him in the 6th or 7th. He will 99.99% be gone well before the 5th is over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 hours ago, hemma said: He’d be an immediate starter. Don’t pigeonhole immediate starters into a poorly reasoned, preset round. Espensa was a 2nd rounder and from what I can see, will have less impact over his entire career than Araiza will have as a rookie. If he’s there in the 3rd, run up there. Our punter sucks and was by far the worst starter on the team. He’s a punter. Grow up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 The biggest issue is he doesn’t hold for kicks. That is a huge weakness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, freester said: The biggest issue is he doesn’t hold for kicks. That is a huge weakness. Ah...nothing to it. There's websites and YouTube channels that show you that! * 🙄😁 Books, too! Edited March 11, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2021 7th(254) P. Harvin (Pit) 2020 6th(191) B. Mann (NYJ) 2020 7th (228) S. Hofrichter (Atl) 2019 4th (110) M. Wishnowsky (SF) 2019 5th (163) J. Bailey (NE) 2018 5th (149) M. Dickson (Sea) 2018 5th (172) JK Scott (GB) 2018 5th (173) J. Townsend (Oak) 2018 7th (247) L. Cooke (Jax) 2017 (None) 2016 6th (179) D. Kaser (SD) 2016 7th (228) R. Dixon (Den) 2016 7th (235) L. Edwards (NYJ) 2015 5th (165) B Pinion (SF) 2014 6th (191) P. O'donnell (Chi) 2013 5th (155) J. Locke (Min) 2013 5th (165) S. Martin (Det) 2012 3rd (70) B. Anger (Jax) 2012 6th (207) B. Nortman (Car) 2011 6th (192) M. Bosher (Atl) "Generational" would mean he's better than anyone in the last 10 years. That puts him in 2nd/3rd round consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 6:52 PM, 4merper4mer said: Agreed but it is silly that all the mocks people on this board put together have us taking him in the 6th or 7th. He will 99.99% be gone well before the 5th is over. I would not be surprised if he goes in the 3rd or 4th. He is that good. 13 hours ago, freester said: The biggest issue is he doesn’t hold for kicks. That is a huge weakness. Do we have anybody on the team that is good at holding kicks outside of Haack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 10:38 PM, IronMaidenBills said: I would not be surprised if he goes in the 3rd or 4th. He is that good. Do we have anybody on the team that is good at holding kicks outside of Haack? I was reading the thread on the mock drafts and the majority have the Bills drafting Araiza. So I came back here to see the range of opinions on where we were willing to take him. I think you are right about the round. If he is as good as advertised I say he's gone before the start of the 4th round. If the Bills get an IOL, WR and CB in some combination with their 1st 3 picks, I'd be ok with trading back into the bottom of the 3rd, ahead of the comp picks, to get him. There is a clear opportunity to make the 2022 team better and getting Andersen and Wildgoose poached from the practice squad is a lesson learned about the reality of what having an elite, deep roster is. He'll have lots of time to work with Ferguson and T Bass on holding skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Take him in the 3rd! With or without him, or whomever else we could draft in the 3rd, the Bills have one of the deepest and best rosters in the NFL right now. So why not pick a person who immediately makes one aspect of your team better? Isn't that the point of the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 8:53 AM, freester said: The biggest issue is he doesn’t hold for kicks. That is a huge weakness. Is this 100% true? If so that probably at least makes him a better holder than Bojo. But seriously he doesn't hold? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) No punter should ever go before the 5th round imo...just my own personal philosophy, but the job just isn’t that hard to do, or important enough (compared to other positions) where higher draft assets need to be spent... Remember- it’s all about passing, and stopping the pass...So anything associated with those goals should always be prioritized...And punting is not one of them...👍 Edited March 27, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: No punter should ever go before the 5th round imo...just my own personal philosophy, but the job just isn’t that hard to do, or important enough (compared to other positions) where higher draft assets need to be spent... Remember- it’s all about passing, and stopping the pass...So anything associated with those goals should always be prioritized...And punting is not one of them...👍 See I disagree. How many guys rounds 2 - 5 have the Bills drafted only to become busts or barely practice squad guys? Im not advocating for the punter in the 2nd but you drafting him you know you are getting a starter and a stud at that. Id take him round 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Bad teams prioritize punters. They really get to showcase them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Round 5 at the earliest. Even then that’s bold 🤭 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DJB said: See I disagree. How many guys rounds 2 - 5 have the Bills drafted only to become busts or barely practice squad guys? Im not advocating for the punter in the 2nd but you drafting him you know you are getting a starter and a stud at that. Id take him round 3 Sorry, my friend, but I have to respectfully disagree... If guys are becoming ‘busts’ it’s not because of the positions they play, but because of the Bills’ poor drafting/developing of those positions... Second, acquiring the ‘best’ punter in college shouldn’t even be a concern when you have Josh Allen on your team, and you’re probably going to have around the fewest punts in the league- meaning, we are not a ‘playing for field position’ type of team when we have the best player in the game... Our punter, last year, was the WORST in the league, statistically...Therefore, if we can just get a guy who is average, we are already light years ahead imo...no need to go crazy and spend day 2 picks on a ‘non football player’...👍 Edited March 27, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Sorry, my friend, but I have to respectfully disagree... If guys are becoming ‘busts’ it’s not because of the positions they play, but because of the Bills’ poor drafting/developing of those positions... Second, acquiring the ‘best’ punter in college shouldn’t even be a concern when you have Josh Allen on your team, and you’re probably going to have around the fewest punts in the league- meaning, we are not a ‘playing for field position’ type of team when we have the best player in the game... Our punter, last year, was the WORST in the league, statistically...Therefore, if we can just get a guy who is average, we are already light years ahead imo...no need to go crazy and spend day 2 picks on a ‘non football player’...👍 Its not just the Bills who struggle rounds 3 - 7 all teams do. Statistically speaking players drafted in those rounds have a very low chance of being a successful player in the NFL. So why not draft a guy in those rounds who will be starter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DJB said: Its not just the Bills who struggle rounds 3 - 7 all teams do. Statistically speaking players drafted in those rounds have a very low chance of being a successful player in the NFL. So why not draft a guy in those rounds who will be starter? Good question...I would argue that even drafting solid depth in the middle rounds, that make the 53 man roster, are more important than the best punter... Edited March 27, 2022 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Good question...I would argue that even drafting solid depth in the middle rounds, that make the 53 man roster, are more important than the best punter... Fair enough and I respect it. For me although the punter position is likely one of the least important positions on an NFL team I still feel like a punter is more valuable then a backup player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 People love to boast about some back up linebacker or Safety who becomes a punt team gunner stalwart for years … and they’re normally drafted in or around the 5th Round. Why is it so odd to imagine taking the guy who actually punts the ball? I know absolutely nothing about this kid, but if he’s a sure thing, you draft him…period! And if he can’t hold, you either train him, or have your backup QB do it…since Keenum is just sitting there all game/season long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, DJB said: Is this 100% true? If so that probably at least makes him a better holder than Bojo. But seriously he doesn't hold? He doesn't hold because he also kicks field goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) With a dynamic offense and a QB that will dare you to take 4th down chances, it may be more valuable to have a punter that can pin it than one that can boom it. I would not use anything before 5th or 6th We have glaring needs at IOL, CB and will need a WR. Our first 4 rounds should address these needs (give me twoCBs to fight for starting roles) Edited March 27, 2022 by DasNootz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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