A nice prospect to groom if Feliciano gets the boot.

[Tipster19]

Imo the greatest aspect of Feliciano is that he’s a self anointed body guard to Josh. If he goes then I really hope that his replacement not only has more ability but also is a tough guy and is willing to mix it up like the Giants’ Hernandez. Here’s a player who has the nastiest demeanor in this year’s draft.

 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

Better chance he’s long gone before 25 

[H2o]

Yeah, he plays with a mean streak. But on a lot of those plays, he seems to get a bit grabby as well. He'll have to watch that in the NFL, as well as using his arm like a hook and falling on top of guys to get them to the ground. Put him with Spencer Brown though? It's an intriguing prospect. 

[Ya Digg?]

I don’t care if he has the “nastiest demeanor” is he better than what the Bills currently have? 
 

Feliciano had a “nasty demeanor” but wasn’t good enough to be out on the field 

[Thurman#1]

12 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

I don’t care if he has the “nastiest demeanor” is he better than what the Bills currently have? 
 

Feliciano had a “nasty demeanor” but wasn’t good enough to be out on the field 

 

 

After he lost the weight, he wasn't the same guy. If they can get the old guy back, great. But it may be too late at this point.

[Thurman#1]

I don't see them drafting a tackle earlier than about the 5th, myself. He's pretty tall. Too tall for guard? If so, I don't think we'd head in that direction.

 

Great highlights reel, though.

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

After he lost the weight, he wasn't the same guy. If they can get the old guy back, great. But it may be too late at this point.

he wasn’t very good with the weight either

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

I think Spencer Brown is fully capable of being the enforcer on the line. He seems to enjoy mixing it up at times. 

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

I think Spencer Brown is fully capable of being the enforcer on the line. He seems to enjoy mixing it up at times. 

 

Was just going to post this.  Trade Feliciano to the Giants.

[JohnNord]

I know the Bills value his versatility but I can’t see any way that the Bills keep Feliciano next season.  His pro tag and level play just don’t mesh

[Your Brown Eye]

People like Feliciano cause he had a tough guy attitude, sleeve tatoo's and a cool nickname "Mongo", but was the epitome of look like Tarzan and play like Jane

[wppete]

3 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

I think Spencer Brown is fully capable of being the enforcer on the line. He seems to enjoy mixing it up at times. 

Yeah and hopefully with a pro off-season this year he comes in bigger stronger and angrier next year. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

Imo the greatest aspect of Feliciano is that he’s a self anointed body guard to Josh. If he goes then I really hope that his replacement not only has more ability but also is a tough guy and is willing to mix it up like the Giants’ Hernandez. Here’s a player who has the nastiest demeanor in this year’s draft.

 

I think there are a couple of things.

 

First, Josh is now established as a superb athlete who has a history of breaking tackles, 'breaking ankles', and stiff-arming guys.  Josh made Chris Jones look like a fool a couple times and Jones came over to congratulate him after the game.  So while I'm sure LBs and DLmen don't like it, they have respect for Josh now and it doesn't spur dumb extracurriculars as much as it did when he was a punk rookie from a small school.

 

Second, plenty of other guys on the line are willing to run downfield and provide the "human shield" and intimidation factor - Spencer Brown at the top of the list.

 

Third, I don't think it was Feliciano's "nasty demeanor", it was his sneaky that gave guys pause.  It's one thing to walk up an take a 15 yd penalty by throwing a defender off your QB, taking a swing, and looming over them, as Ford did a couple times his rookie year.   That's self limiting behavior - it hurts the team even as it makes the point, the coaches will get on the OL for it.   It's another to line up on ST and unobtrusively and without referee notice retaliate by trying to take a guy's head off or punching him in the nuts during a pile-up for what he did on the previous drive.

 

I don't GAF if an OL is "willing to mix it up" and has a nasty demeanor.  I care if he can win in the trenches consistently while avoiding dumb penalties.

 

 

[gonzo1105]

There ain’t no grooming Penning as a replacement for Feliciano. Dudes a legit top 20 pick and immediate replacement to somebody on that line. Might force Dawkins inside, and with his salary 10 million that is very very possible. Dawkins even hinted at being replaced last year after he saw Brown and Doyle 

[Brand J]

He was Spencer Brown’s college teammate, right? Don’t know if that’s the case since Spencer sat out a year, but if so, he has all the inside intel the Bills could want.

[Motor26]

If they were to draft him that would force Dawkins inside. It would definitely upgrade the left guard spot. I wouldn’t hate that move.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

20 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

If they were to draft him that would force Dawkins inside. It would definitely upgrade the left guard spot. I wouldn’t hate that move.

Dawkins was outstanding for the second half of the season.  I don’t see anyone forcing him inside. 

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

Imo the greatest aspect of Feliciano is that he’s a self anointed body guard to Josh. If he goes then I really hope that his replacement not only has more ability but also is a tough guy and is willing to mix it up like the Giants’ Hernandez. Here’s a player who has the nastiest demeanor in this year’s draft.

 

 

 

I see a lot of flags in the NFL in these highlights.  He is nasty, but also a lot of this stuff is flag city.  I want to know what his fundamentals look like more than see him be nasty while be flagged constantly.  

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Huh? He was average at best before the weight loss. 

 

 

He lived up to his contract in 2019 and 2020. Out-performed it, probably, it wasn't a huge contract. No, he wasn't terrific, but he was solid, smart, and the offense worked less well in 2020 when he was out. 

 

Not so this year. As I said, the weight loss absolutely affected his level of play. I'm not the first to notice this, far from it.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

I see Penning has started games at guard at Northern Iowa. That makes it a possibility, IMO, if they like him.

[MrEpsYtown]

I actually like Tommy Doyle as a possible guard if they can’t sign an Austin Corbett type. Yeah i know he’s tall, but it doesn’t matter if you have a 6-5 QB. Doyle has explosive measurables and athleticism and seemed to be coming around as a blocker. I don’t know that you can get an offensive linemen at 25 with more upside aside from Linderbaum. 

[Ya Digg?]

6 hours ago, Motor26 said:

If they were to draft him that would force Dawkins inside. It would definitely upgrade the left guard spot. I wouldn’t hate that move.

Why would they take their pro bowl left tackle and move him to guard for a rookie??

[billybrew1]

Feliciano struggled a bit more this season. I think it is because we asked him to play another position. Switching sides is extremely difficult for most OL. So, you can’t really blame him for that. While he was never a great OL he was a decent RG and center. Plus he brings all that leadership and toughness. I hope we keep him but I have all the faith in the world in Krazy Kromer to build the best line McD ever had in Buffalo. I think Kromer brings in at least one OL. Probably an inexpensive one but you never know. I that who he brings in looks good as well.

[TheBeaneBandit]

15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I actually like Tommy Doyle as a possible guard if they can’t sign an Austin Corbett type. Yeah i know he’s tall, but it doesn’t matter if you have a 6-5 QB. Doyle has explosive measurables and athleticism and seemed to be coming around as a blocker. I don’t know that you can get an offensive linemen at 25 with more upside aside from Linderbaum. 

The thing is he doesn't have that upside in systems other than zone blocking. I only go oline at 25 if one of the top 4 OTs is still there and Penning is probably #4.

[stinky finger]

On 2/26/2022 at 7:13 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

After he lost the weight, he wasn't the same guy. If they can get the old guy back, great. But it may be too late at this point.

If Feliciano left, would anyone even notice. He’s strictly depth. 

[billsfan89]

On 2/26/2022 at 6:42 AM, JohnNord said:

I know the Bills value his versatility but I can’t see any way that the Bills keep Feliciano next season.  His pro tag and level play just don’t mesh

If he takes a pay cut that lowers his cap hit 2ish million I could see them keeping Mongo but at his current price he is a cap casualty.

On 2/26/2022 at 1:45 AM, Tipster19 said:

Imo the greatest aspect of Feliciano is that he’s a self anointed body guard to Josh. If he goes then I really hope that his replacement not only has more ability but also is a tough guy and is willing to mix it up like the Giants’ Hernandez. Here’s a player who has the nastiest demeanor in this year’s draft.

 

 

On another note, Will Hernandez (who has struggled since a solid rookie season) would be an intriguing depth option. I wouldn’t mind the Bills tossing a low ball one year deal for him to add some depth and competition to the Oline. He has a great physical profile and played well his rookie year. But it just hasn’t clicked since. Hopefully a change of scenery works for him.

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The extension was odd IMO… especially for a team that needed to upgrade its interior offensive line last offseason. 

 

 

Well, they didn't really need to upgrade the OL last offseason. It would have been nice, certainly I was hoping for an early OG in the draft. But the OL played quite well in 2020, particularly when Feliciano was on the field.

 

But in 2021 Feliciano and Williams declined significantly and it wasn't completely clear why. Feliciano's weight loss may well have had something to do with it, but perhaps not. But there was a real decline. Combine those two guys getting worse with Dawkins being affected for all but the last few games by his Covid, and that line had a major downgrade.

[Sierra Foothills]

On 2/26/2022 at 12:00 PM, Thurman#1 said:

I see Penning has started games at guard at Northern Iowa. That makes it a possibility, IMO, if they like him.

 

Not that it hasn't happened or that it can't happen but I can't recall anyone 6'7" playing guard in the NFL.

 

Anyone?

 

 

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

If Feliciano left, would anyone even notice. He’s strictly depth. 

 

 

They sure would have noticed in 2020. But yeah, at this point, probably.

 

 

[Riverboat Ritchie]

On 2/26/2022 at 4:13 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

After he lost the weight, he wasn't the same guy. If they can get the old guy back, great. But it may be too late at this point.

feliciano kinda seems done with Buffalo too. Is there much cap hit if we cut him? 

[Riverboat Ritchie]

On 2/26/2022 at 10:07 AM, Motor26 said:

If they were to draft him that would force Dawkins inside. It would definitely upgrade the left guard spot. I wouldn’t hate that move.

????? The second half of year after Covid Dawkins played awesome. His downfield block in second NE game I believe was legendary. He needs to stay put.  

[Thurman#1]

3 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Not that it hasn't happened or that it can't happen but I can't recall anyone 6'7" playing guard in the NFL.

 

Anyone?

 

 

 

 

Wetzel. Gallery. Kevin Gogan.

 

And plenty have played at 6'6" and a fraction. Tyson Clabo, who played ten years, was measured at 68.9 inches at the combine.

 

It's very unusual, but it does happen.

 

[GunnerBill]

Trevor Penning is a beast. I think he will be an excellent pro. He is still raw and he might not be an all pro as a rookoe but there is all pro level potential there. He has almost no ceiling. 

 

If he got to #25 I'd have a hard time passing on him. But after dominating at the Senior Bowl he doesn't have much chance of making it to #25. 

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Wetzel. Gallery. Kevin Gogan.

 

And plenty have played at 6'6" and a fraction. Tyson Clabo, who played ten years, was measured at 68.9 inches at the combine.

 

It's very unusual, but it does happen.

 

Alex Boone was 6'7" too.   

 

In your Math above Clabo was just shy of 5'9". 

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, they didn't really need to upgrade the OL last offseason. It would have been nice, certainly I was hoping for an early OG in the draft. But the OL played quite well in 2020, particularly when Feliciano was on the field.

 

But in 2021 Feliciano and Williams declined significantly and it wasn't completely clear why. Feliciano's weight loss may well have had something to do with it, but perhaps not. But there was a real decline. Combine those two guys getting worse with Dawkins being affected for all but the last few games by his Covid, and that line had a major downgrade.

I think coaching had to be a piece of it. I think that has been corrected with Kromer. Weight loss and I don't think Mongo was 100% healthy all season. As to Williams.  Could it be having a rookie to his right and being asked to help and keep an eye on him? Kind of like handling a second role possibly causing a delay in his game? Or having poor guard play to his left and having to help there as well? Just a thought seeing the drop in his play...🤔

[chongli]

From an ESPN article five days ago:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33335380/nfl-players-need-change-scenery-offseason-one-team-including-jarvis-landry-jimmy-garoppolo-zadarius-smith#BUF

 

NFL players who need a change of scenery this offseason

 

"Buffalo Bills

Guard Jon Feliciano

 

Moving on makes sense for both sides. It's not a must, but it would be a smart step. Feliciano lost his starting role during the 2021 season to Ike Boettger and Ryan Bates after stints on injured reserve and the COVID-19 list. The Bills would save over $4 million by designating him as a post-June 1 cut. Former Bills offensive line coach Bobby Johnson is now in the same role with the Giants, and Feliciano has worked with Johnson for most of his professional career. It would be a logical reunion. -- Alaina Getzenberg"

[Bill from NYC]

On 2/26/2022 at 4:56 AM, CaptnCoke11 said:

Better chance he’s long gone before 25 

Agreed, but there is some chance of him being there as well, mainly because he played at a small school. We would have a more adequate picture of the kid if he played at Texas A&M for example against far better competition. In this sense, he becomes a bit of a risk.

 

Also, there seems to be a glut of talented LTs in this draft which is fairly unusual, and this could also make him fall to us.

 

Given all of this, drafting this kid would be a dream come true for me. NOTHING is more important than protecting Josh Allen, who has enough talent to be in the Hall of Fame some day. Let me say that again.....NOTHING. Not even a first round corner!!! 😮😲😮

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mr. WEO]

Here's "mean streak" Feliciano "body guarding" Josh after the latter gets body slammed on a Chiefs D-line jailbreak...

 

 

Several second of jogging time later, he weighed in with payback, drawing a fine.

 

 

 

 

[Ya Digg?]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Here's "mean streak" Feliciano "body guarding" Josh after the latter gets body slammed on a Chiefs D-line jailbreak...

 

 

Several second of jogging time later, he weighed in with payback, drawing a fine.

 

 

 

 

Yeah but he has tattoos and stuff and his play is barely average, so you know....he's tough and stuff