Derek Carr in line for $40 million per year extension

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

or the year after or the year after that. Most contracts will increase every year. NFL about to sign more TV deals...Sunday ticket up for bid...of course Allen's deal will look better than ones signed in future years

 

And that is it when you sign a Quaterback to an extension you know that the first couple of years you are going to have to make some cap decisions. The Bills will as well. They have next year and the way they have structured things they probably have 2023 too and then their window will narrow (no close, narrow) for a couple of years and then open up again at the backend of the deal. The difference is having an elite guy like Allen keeps the window open in that intervening period. When you have a guy who is just in the "good" category like Derek Carr then those two years when that deal still feels expensive are tough. But the alternative is shouting "stop the world I want to get off" that is just a bad strategy. 

2 minutes ago, eball said:

I think there’s a pretty successful book out that talks about good being the enemy of great. Not sure what it’s titled though. 
 

 

And in lots of areas of life, I agree. In a 32 team NFL where the supply of good QBs is totally incapable of meeting demand I'm afraid I fall more on the other side of the fence. 

 

And I remind people that the Rams and the Chiefs had paid their mid range guys (neither of whom were as good as Carr) and were competitive with those guys and were still able to find a way to upgrade. 

[bigK14094]

52 minutes ago, julian said:

I’m not putting Burrow or Hurbert in the group yet… I just watched Allen match Burrow’s 5 Playoff TDs in 4 games… Allen did it in one… not sure what people are seeing in Burrow other than he was supposed to be great at #1 overall

The press needs headlines.

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, nucci said:

or the year after or the year after that. Most contracts will increase every year. NFL about to sign more TV deals...Sunday ticket up for bid...of course Allen's deal will look better than ones signed in future years

Yes, the smart money is on escalating salaries. That's why it makes sense to extend good players who you will have for multiple seasons, early. Knox and Diggs, and soon Davis come to mind.

[Inigo Montoya]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And that is it when you sign a Quaterback to an extension you know that the first couple of years you are going to have to make some cap decisions. The Bills will as well. They have next year and the way they have structured things they probably have 2023 too and then their window will narrow (no close, narrow) for a couple of years and then open up again at the backend of the deal. The difference is having an elite guy like Allen keeps the window open in that intervening period. When you have a guy who is just in the "good" category like Derek Carr then those two years when that deal still feels expensive are tough. But the alternative is shouting "stop the world I want to get off" that is just a bad strategy. 

 

Agree.

 

I think people are undervaluing the fact that Josh agreed to a six year extension on the tail end of his rookie deal.  Going forward, I suspect most QBs won't be willing to sign a contract extension longer than 4 years because of their desire to get another quick bite of an ever growing apple.  Josh didn't cut the Bills any slack with the annual average amount of his contract, it was a market value contract.  Where he helped the Bills was with the length of the contract.

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

 

So hypothetically....the Bills should be ok with Tyrod for the rest of his career because it keeps the league competitive and makes them money.

 

Sorry man, i just dont agree with keeping a mid tier QB around. 

 

How many years did Dalton throw away for the Bengals? Tannehill? These arent superbowl winning QBs. These teams needed to move on from them years before they did.

 

EXACTLY!  

[Brand J]

47 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

FilthyBeast has to be sick to his stomach that Carr is about to make $40M/year considering he feels that Josh’s contract was a bad contract. 
 

This exercise very clearly proves that Josh getting $43M/year was a steal.

 

Although anyone with a brain knew lesser QBs were going to get inflated deals.

Wouldn’t ever call $43M/yr a “steal,” especially when he comes in at 2nd highest paid. It’s fair market value, based on the current flawed market.

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, julian said:

I’m not putting Burrow or Hurbert in the group yet… I just watched Allen match Burrow’s 5 Playoff TDs in 4 games… Allen did it in one… not sure what people are seeing in Burrow other than he was supposed to be great at #1 overall

 

A 2nd year QB coming off an ACL tear, leading his team to the Super Bowl with arguably the worst pass blocking line in the league.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Can you imagine what we’d have to pay the likes of Kyle Orton today if the Bills were still sucky and middling the QB position during a drought? Positional inflation for the sake of inflation without being anchored to performance boggles the mind…

[julian]

9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

A 2nd year QB coming off an ACL tear, leading his team to the Super Bowl with arguably the worst pass blocking line in the league.

So these are the built in excuses ? I think he had an outstanding regular season but they made it to the super bowl with an outstanding draw and excellent defense at times, Burrow threw 5 TDs in four games… thats not elite or even great

 

i like him.. he’s not close to Mahomes or Allen at this point and I’d put Hurbert ahead of him. IMHO of course

[Warcodered]

36 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Agree.

 

I think people are undervaluing the fact that Josh agreed to a six year extension on the tail end of his rookie deal.  Going forward, I suspect most QBs won't be willing to sign a contract extension longer than 4 years because of their desire to get another quick bite of an ever growing apple.  Josh didn't cut the Bills any slack with the annual average amount of his contract, it was a market value contract.  Where he helped the Bills was with the length of the contract.

The deal Mahomes gave the Chiefs seems insane, he's under contract until 2031.

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

The deal Mahomes gave the Chiefs seems insane, he's under contract until 2031.

I don’t put much stock into it. He and his camp will almost certainly ask to renegotiate when other QBs have deals that exceed his, thanks to the ever growing salary cap.

[ColoradoBills]

35 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Agree.

 

I think people are undervaluing the fact that Josh agreed to a six year extension on the tail end of his rookie deal.  Going forward, I suspect most QBs won't be willing to sign a contract extension longer than 4 years because of their desire to get another quick bite of an ever growing apple.  Josh didn't cut the Bills any slack with the annual average amount of his contract, it was a market value contract.  Where he helped the Bills was with the length of the contract.

 

Exactly.  Per Josh Allen's current contract he is scheduled to make an average of $43M from 2026 thru 2028.  Those years will be such

a bargain.  With Josh's contract all this "window" stuff concerning a QB contract will not really materialize.  

 

The Darek Carr's of the NFL will be signing for over $60M at a minimum in those years.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

 

I think hes in the same Tier as Dalton when Dalton was at his best. A little better than average.

 

Daltons better years were just as good as Carr's. I think its safe to say we are about as near as Carr's ceiling as we are gonna get.

 

QB 11 doesnt cut it with that roster. If you pay him 40 million he wont get the team he needs around him.

 

Carr COULD be better with better coaching / off-season work but I cannot see it with incoming team.

[FilthyBeast]

3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10958/derek-carr
 

Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday.   We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap.  We're even luckier that Josh agreed to tack six years onto the end of his rookie contract.  He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year.

 

 

 

The problem with Allen's current deal is it's going to become obsolete soon in that Beane is going to be forced to pay him even more money assuming Allen is truly among the league's elite QBs in the next few years.

[Nextmanup]

Not sure why everyone is so surprised.

 

This is the economic reality of the game today.

 

It's worth repeating that Ryan Fitzpatrick has career earnings of over EIGHTY-TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

 

Dude is a border-line non-starter.....

 

But there it is.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

56 minutes ago, julian said:

So these are the built in excuses ? I think he had an outstanding regular season but they made it to the super bowl with an outstanding draw and excellent defense at times, Burrow threw 5 TDs in four games… thats not elite or even great

 

i like him.. he’s not close to Mahomes or Allen at this point and I’d put Hurbert ahead of him. IMHO of course

 

These aren't built in excuses.  Simply pointing out that a 2nd year QB, coming off an ACL tear, led his team - who hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years - to the Super Bowl despite the adversity. 

 

You're hard to impress.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I wish I was better at sports

That and in my case, forty years younger…

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, wjag said:

The salary price escalation in pro sports is insane.  

It’s a percentage of revenue.  The value of an NFL franchise has skyrocketed too.  They’re talking $5B for the Broncos. 

[Joe Mama]

4 hours ago, Greg S said:

The Ravens are probably sick to their stomach seeing this. If Carr can get a 40 million per extension then I can only imagine what they will have to pay LJ.

Actually, Hundley looked to be better passer than Jackson. Jackson injuries will probably increase as time goes on and his body wears down, he is putting on mileage like a running back. I have similar concern for Josh, but I believe Josh can become a mostly passer only weapon not sure if Jackson can.

[Greg S]

Just now, Joe Mama said:

Actually, Hundley looked to be better passer than Jackson. Jackson injuries will probably increase as time goes on and his body wears down, he is putting on mileage like a running back. I have similar concern for Josh, but I believe Josh can become a mostly passer only weapon not sure if Jackson can.

 

I am hoping the Bills can build a better running game. Josh shouldn't be the main threat running. He is young now but eventually those hits will take their toll. I also hope Josh runs less next year and just throws it. Let the RB whoever that may be do the running. 

[eball]

KC and Buffalo made out like BANDITS with their QB contracts...I almost feel sorry for these other teams with "kinda good" QBs they have to pay.  Almost.

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The problem with Allen's current deal is it's going to become obsolete soon in that Beane is going to be forced to pay him even more money assuming Allen is truly among the league's elite QBs in the next few years.

Assuming Allen is truly among the leagues elite QB in the next few years lol. Man you just don’t like Allen do you?? 

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Not sure why everyone is so surprised.

 

This is the economic reality of the game today.

 

It's worth repeating that Ryan Fitzpatrick has career earnings of over EIGHTY-TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

 

Dude is a border-line non-starter.....

 

But there it is.

 

 

It’s not that I’m surprised, it’s just I’m surprised your going to pay a QB like Carr, Allen and Mahomes type of money. Especially when he’s been extremely inconsistent majority of his career

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

 

Where he helped the Bills was with the length of the contract.

Sort of. but it would’ve been better if he signed a 10 year like Mahomes. Or at least an eight.

 

 I think six year deals will be common for the teams that are confident in their quarterbacks long-term abilities. Guys like Jackson and Mayfield if they get a new deal at all will probably be looking at four year deals.

 

I would expect Justin Herbert to get a 6+ year deal when he resigns.

[julian]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

These aren't built in excuses.  Simply pointing out that a 2nd year QB, coming off an ACL tear, led his team - who hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years - to the Super Bowl despite the adversity. 

 

You're hard to impress.

Yeah you may be correct, I might be hard to impress… and your points are valid, I just see a significant drop off when watching Mahomes Rodgers Allen then watching Burrow.

 

i will admit that I never watched a full Bengals game in the regular season, but I did watch all four of their post season games and maybe that’s why I’m have difficulty seeing how anyone can include him with those guys because if we’re being honest Burrow wasn’t much more than average in those 4 games.

[BarleyNY]

27 minutes ago, eball said:

KC and Buffalo made out like BANDITS with their QB contracts...I almost feel sorry for these other teams with "kinda good" QBs they have to pay.  Almost.

I think Allen and Bills made a fair deal.  He still had a fourth rookie year and a $23M fifth year option when it got signed.  They got rolled up with his extension.  It’s complicated, but the additional 5 seasons pay works out to $47M per year.  The deal keeps him here through 2028.  $47M AAV is a bit high for today, but it is a good approximation of fair market value in 2023 when the new seasons kick in.  Also the new broadcasting deals start in 2023 so considering those it actually might be below market.  But Allen got a chunk of money early and some real security through guarantees.  It was a win-win IMO. 

[ColoradoBills]

24 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Sort of. but it would’ve been better if he signed a 10 year like Mahomes. Or at least an eight.

 

 I think six year deals will be common for the teams that are confident in their quarterbacks long-term abilities. Guys like Jackson and Mayfield if they get a new deal at all will probably be looking at four year deals.

 

I would expect Justin Herbert to get a 6+ year deal when he resigns.

 

Yes, QBs typically sign 4 year deals.  5 year deals with some "elite" QBs.  Taking away Mahomes 10 year extremely unique deal, Josh Allen

is the only 6 year deal I've ever heard of.

 

Teams and the player have to agree to the length and we will all have to see if 5-6 (or more) years become the norm.

[buffaloboyinATL]

5 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday.   We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap.  We're even luckier that Josh agreed to tack six years onto the end of his rookie contract.  He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year.

 

 

There is no luck needed when your GM is a wizard. He just makes it so...

[eball]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I think Allen and Bills made a fair deal.  He still had a fourth rookie year and a $23M fifth year option when it got signed.  They got rolled up with his extension.  It’s complicated, but the additional 5 seasons pay works out to $47M per year.  The deal keeps him here through 2028.  $47M AAV is a bit high for today, but it is a good approximation of fair market value in 2023 when the new seasons kick in.  Also the new broadcasting deals start in 2023 so considering those it actually might be below market.  But Allen got a chunk of money early and some real security through guarantees.  It was a win-win IMO. 

 

No, I think you miss my point.  I'm not saying the Bills "got over" on Josh...I'm saying that when you're looking at a QB like Derek freaking Carr getting 40M per, Josh at an average of 47M for the next six years is a bargain.

 

Derek Carr isn't in Josh's stratosphere.

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

You are never winning anything with Carr as your QB. He’s barely more then just a guy. If I had nothing at QB, I could see giving Carr 40 min total for about 4 years. If the Raiders are dumb enough to pay him then they deserve what they get.

[BarleyNY]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

 

No, I think you miss my point.  I'm not saying the Bills "got over" on Josh...I'm saying that when you're looking at a QB like Derek freaking Carr getting 40M per, Josh at an average of 47M for the next six years is a bargain.

 

Derek Carr isn't in Josh's stratosphere.

 

I don’t disagree.  I just wanted to add some detail and context to the discussion.  

[HamptonBillsfan]

That's how distorted the QB market has become. This man has had 2 good seasons in his career of 8 seasons, winning 1 playoff game. Paying him 40 million not only limits the Raiders ability to surround him with talent, but takes away his will to aspire to being one of the best in the NFL.

[without a drought]

6 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

That backup QB they used when Lamar got hurt did pretty well passing the ball or they draft someone. 

 

3 hours ago, Joe Mama said:

Actually, Hundley looked to be better passer than Jackson. Jackson injuries will probably increase as time goes on and his body wears down, he is putting on mileage like a running back. I have similar concern for Josh, but I believe Josh can become a mostly passer only weapon not sure if Jackson can.

It seems like something to say, but it isn't what actually took place. Hundley did a good job running, not passing. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

36 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

That's how distorted the QB market has become. This man has had 2 good seasons in his career of 8 seasons, winning 1 playoff game. Paying him 40 million not only limits the Raiders ability to surround him with talent, but takes away his will to aspire to being one of the best in the NFL.

One of the best In the NFL???🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 cmon man lol. Guy is average at best. He’s proven he can’t beat either Mahomes or Herbert on a consistent bases

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

He’s proven he can’t beat either Mahomes or Herbert on a consistent bases

 

I mean he beat Herbert in what was literally the biggest game of the year for both. Win and you are in. Carr won. 

[Orlando Tim]

If Carr signs for 40 then LJ likely gets 45, which destroys Ravens ability to build around him

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10958/derek-carr
 

Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday.   We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap.  We're even luckier that Josh agreed to tack six years onto the end of his rookie contract.  He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year.

 

 

Tellin ya....Beane knows what he is doing.   That mega contract Josh Allen received is going to look less expensive with every passing year.

 

Will it force us to play draft picks sooner?  Probably but that is the way of things when you have a unicorn qb.

 

PS....Carr is not worth that money

[BuffaloBills1998]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean he beat Herbert in what was literally the biggest game of the year for both. Win and you are in. Carr won. 

I’m talking on a consistent basis not one game. Also Carr didn’t win that game on his own, Jacobs had over 125 plus in rushing yards and a td. Some of you guys are delusional when it comes to Carr 

Raiders paying 40 million to a guy who has a 57-70 record would be a typical Raider move. I’m sure Charger fans,Chiefs fans and even Bronco fans are laughing their asses off. 40 million😂😂🤣🤣

[JGMcD2]

6 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Wouldn’t ever call $43M/yr a “steal,” especially when he comes in at 2nd highest paid. It’s fair market value, based on the current flawed market.

And you obviously don’t understand either… even though you explained it 🤦🏻‍♂️
 

QBs like Carr… who are nowhere near the player Josh Allen is… are going to start getting deals around $40M/yr and above. Jackson, Mayfield, etc. 
 

It’s a steal as the market will continue to go berserk… as proven by guys like Carr and Jackson being discussed at $40M/yr QBs… 

[Augie]

8 hours ago, H2o said:

I mean.... If Dak is getting $40M per then what makes you think Carr won't get the same? 

 

What bothers me the most is, the guy who is NEXT wants the MOST. The guy who is BEST should get the most!

 

I think it was another wise move to make Josh a VERY wealthy man when they did, and better for us in the long run. 

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree he probably isn't a Superbowl Quarterback. But the reality is top 12 - Derek Carr level - Quarterback play is not easy. You could spin the wheel and end up worse. 

 

I think this "you have a top 5 guy or should just throw everything in the bin and spin the wheel" approach is utter nonsense. 

What world are we living in where a Top 12 QB is worth 40 mil per?

 

Honestly, if Jackson could stay healthy I feel it's a no brainer. He can still get better where I think Carr has topped out. Jackson outside of Hollywood Brown and Andrews doesn't have much. Mayfield isn't even in the convo at this point.