Westside Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Seriously though, one reason I wouldn’t mind seeing Frazier go is his defense inability to tackle. This is not a new problem, it’s been happening at least the last four years. Is there such a coaching position? If not, the Bills need to invent it asap if they plan on being a serious super bowl contender next year. 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Westside said: Seriously though, one reason I wouldn’t mind seeing Frazier go is his defense inability to tackle. This is not a new problem, it’s been happening at least the last four years. Is there such a coaching position? If not, the Bills need to invent it asap if they plan on being a serious super bowl contender next year. Tackling has been a league wide issue for several years now. Teams just don’t practice live tackling on a regular basis. It’s all tackling dummies onto padded landing areas for the most part now. The days of the Oklahoma drill are long gone. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 It's going to be a long offseason. 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, ColoradoBills said: It's going to be a long offseason. Hey, it’s better than bitching about 13 seconds. I would like to hear your opinion, do you think they are a good tackling team? Or do you think it’s not that big of a deal? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: Tackling has been a league wide issue for several years now. Teams just don’t practice live tackling on a regular basis. It’s all tackling dummies onto padded landing areas for the most part now. The days of the Oklahoma drill are long gone. Who was it Donte Whitner that mastered that "back tackle". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Westside said: Hey, it’s better than bitching about 13 seconds. I would like to hear your opinion, do you think they are a good tackling team? Or do you think it’s not that big of a deal? I haven't been part of the 13 second bitching committee. It was bad and it happened and I hope it doesn't happen again. As to tackling I don't think they are bad at it. I agree with @K-9 and his points. As Bills fans we all want offensive players who can break tackles, so every time they do I guess you can say the other teams are bad at tackling. I also think Poyer and Hyde would disagree with your point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Westside said: Seriously though, one reason I wouldn’t mind seeing Frazier go is his defense inability to tackle. This is not a new problem, it’s been happening at least the last four years. Is there such a coaching position? If not, the Bills need to invent it asap if they plan on being a serious super bowl contender next year. I actually think the Bills are one of the better tackling teams. I think the problem when they miss tackles, is that they are out of position, possibly because they make the wrong read. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Guys also don't wrap-up like they used to because when they do, that's when shoulder and arm injuries occur; that's why you're more likely to see a defender lower their shoulder and deliver a forearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Ah Great Commercials back in the day. I still watch them from time to time. You kill the Joe, you make some more!!! You know that baaaaabbyyy!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Edited February 2, 2022 by TheyCallMeAndy 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 When you finish the Joe….YOU GOTTA MAKE SOME MO’!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 48 minutes ago, Westside said: Hey, it’s better than bitching about 13 seconds. I would like to hear your opinion, do you think they are a good tackling team? Or do you think it’s not that big of a deal? I don’t know if it’s specific to us. They are limited in the amount of contact they are allowed to have, so it’s hard to work on. That’s my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) This defensive group has been one of the worst tackling teams in the league for years. I highly doubt all the sudden they’ll turn it around. Edited February 2, 2022 by CaptnCoke11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Westside said: Seriously though, one reason I wouldn’t mind seeing Frazier go is his defense inability to tackle. This is not a new problem, it’s been happening at least the last four years. Is there such a coaching position? If not, the Bills need to invent it asap if they plan on being a serious super bowl contender next year. Fun fact: the office linebacker has a voiceover role in a movie that recently premiered on Paramount Plus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Keep Tate. The right choice is: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: It's going to be a long offseason. Amen...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, Kwai San said: Amen...... It will feel like only 13 seconds. 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Westside said: It will feel like only 13 seconds. 😂😂😂 Doubt that - doubt it highly. A looooooooooooong offseason looms..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 49 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Ah Great Commercials back in the day. I still watch them from time to time. You kill the Joe, you make some more!!! You know that baaaaabbyyy!!! Woooooooooo!!!!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Kwai San said: Doubt that - doubt it highly. A looooooooooooong offseason looms..... It will be training camp before you know it.👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Sometimes I believe it is a matter of size and physics, not the actual process of tackling someone. These guys have been playing this game for their entire life. One of the first things you learn as a defender is how to tackle. You learn leverage, getting your shoulder's squared up, making contact and driving through with your legs to get the opposing player down. By the time you are a pro, it is instinctual. The problem is: Getting into position to do this. Tremaine Edmonds can tackle. He led the team, but his problem is getting into position to make the tackle. He often attacks the wrong gap, over pursues and puts his body in a position where the process of tackling is more difficult. Klein is much better at this. Poyer and Hyde are excellent tacklers, but for them it becomes a problem with physics. Guys like Taylor, Henry, Stephenson, have a 20+ lb weight advantage and a full head of steam after dodging past Edmonds. Physics says when I make the hit, the momentum of the ball carrier is going to move him forward and I have to make contact and hang on. For guys on the DL, they are most likely trying to slow down a defender and it's a lot of reaching and trying to get off a block to make contact. I think the issue is we need more size up front to shake off the OL and let the LB's finish off the tackles, or the DL to get penetration and making sure the LB's fill those gaps. So it's about being in position to make the play. It would be great to see the DE's get better at contain and finishing sacks, but the biggest problem is the stupid rules designed to protect the QB. You can barely blow a feather on some guys without getting flagged. This is ruining the game. I get it, no helmet to helmet or leading with the helmet, but let a guy finish a play without the fear of getting flagged. Our CB's could use some help, but having speed and being able to cover and not give up the big plays is more important in today's NFL than run support. To me, this problem is solved with shoring up the DT's, Hoping Phillips and Oliver continues to get better, and Bryant and Zimmer develop into the rotation. I still think we need a 310lb+ athletic freak in the middle. Not easy to find, but needed. I'd look to replace Edmonds or hope he improves enough to get that mental part of the game instinctual so his physical traits become useful. If Groot adds 10-15 lbs and keeps his speed in tact, he could be dangerous. If they plan on moving Basham inside, I'd like to see him gain about 10+ lbs too. I'm on the fence with Frazier. I'd love to see us more aggressive on D and not reliant on that small 4-2-5 lineup. If he moves on, I wouldn't mind seeing a fresh perspective on how to utilize all the talent we have on D. This is a top 5 unit and I'd expect them to play at that level next year. GO BILLS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Westside said: It will be training camp before you know it.👍🏻 One can only hope!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually think the Bills are one of the better tackling teams. I think the problem when they miss tackles, is that they are out of position, possibly because they make the wrong read. Joe Marino has been talking about this for a couple years on his podcast. The Bills have been one of the worst tackling teams in the NFL during the McD era. He says it's a shock that he continually sees the Bills near the top of missed tackles list because Sean is such a stickler for fundamentals. I think after the defense being together for 4 years plus - at this point - players are who they are. We're not going to be a good tackling team unless we change personnel. advanced defense stats 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 This joke is still circulating around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) YOU KILL THE JO', YOU MAKE SOME MO'!!! Edited February 2, 2022 by Freddie's Dead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27yanks Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 #56's yeah baby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Westside said: Seriously though, one reason I wouldn’t mind seeing Frazier go is his defense inability to tackle. This is not a new problem, it’s been happening at least the last four years. Is there such a coaching position? If not, the Bills need to invent it asap if they plan on being a serious super bowl contender next year. Oh yet another get rid of Frazier thread. Like the dome threads they are popping up like weeds with other subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Forget coach, sign this guy to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I click on the thread expecting Terry Tate and get a fire Frazier thread… I would have preferred to have gotten Peter Pan’d. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 outside the box thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 As has been suggested, tackling has become more of a problem in the NFL because of the lack of opportunity for full contact practices in training camp, and that is governed by the agreement between the league and the players association. I can't remember the formal term for that agreement at the moment (senior moment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, transient said: I click on the thread expecting Terry Tate and get a fire Frazier thread… I would have preferred to have gotten Peter Pan’d. Maybe poster also has the alias of Peter Pan. Blame the NFLPA and their rules on tackling for reason why tackling is so weak these days. Post week 1 tackling is very limited meaning little chance to correct tackling and conforming to rules which change every year. The Bills players made a number of great tackles last year including several where they tackled players despite holding and other things not called but only missed ones are remember and regurgitated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Every fan in the NFL believes their team is poor at tackling, it is the #1 complaint after a close loss. Ever try to tackle Derrick Henry in the open field ?? How about Tyreek Hill ? Its more about the running skills at WR & RB then poor tackling by your team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I also think the increased emphasis on stripping the ball to get turnovers sometimes interferes with the primary goal of getting the man to the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 16 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Keep Tate. The right choice is: What-what happens is, the-the-the center has-has the ball first. And-and-and the quarterback will say, "Hike." That's when the c-center puts the ball in-into the hands of the quarterback. So what I do is, I-I start tacklin' the quarterback, unless he gives the ball to-to s-somebody else, in which case, I-I try to tackle that person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I think I posted this vid a couple of years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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