Daboll wasn’t happy with McDermott?

[Malazan]

4 minutes ago, FLFan said:

You are beyond tiresome.

 

I think we just report his posts. He's not having a discussion about issues, mistakes, etc. He's gaslighting and pushing propaganda to get a response which is trolling. Enough reports and the moderators might do something.

1 hour ago, Process said:

There was also a report recently, I can't remember the source, that said Frazier wanted out, wasn't there?

 

..and yet he's still here..

[junior]

Employee didn't like his boss. More at 11.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, MWK said:

Could the speculation have been true?

 

The claim features Tim McDonnell, the Giants co-director of pro-personnel, texting "heard Daboll isn't happy with Sean in Buffalo...might be able to get out if he doesn't get a HC job...thoughts?"

 

So this is 1) hearsay - McDonnell "heard" 2) lacks context - who did McDonnell hear it from?  3) therefore is impossible to evaluate

 

The title of this thread is misleading, because it's a long jump from a hearsay claim in a lawsuit (where the coach in question in fact was not "driven away", but left to take a promotion to one of 32 HC jobs in the NFL)  to "McDermott is driving away coaches".

[4BillsintheBurgh]

4 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

Even though they probably deserved it, he just threw 1/16th of NFL owners under the bus. If you were an owner, would you hire him?

Given enough success, yes. While he threw the actions of some of the owners under a bus, if I believed that it was justified, then maybe I would look at that as a positive? Especially if I was trying to do things the right way. Or if I just wanted to piss the other owners off (a la Al Davis).

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The claim features Tim McDonnell, the Giants co-director of pro-personnel, texting "heard Daboll isn't happy with Sean in Buffalo...might be able to get out if he doesn't get a HC job...thoughts?"

 

So this is 1) hearsay - McDonnell "heard" 2) lacks context - who did McDonnell hear it from?  3) therefore is impossible to evaluate

 

The title of this thread is misleading, because it's a long jump from a hearsay claim in a lawsuit (where the coach in question in fact was not "driven away", but left to take a promotion to one of 32 HC jobs in the NFL)  to "McDermott is driving away coaches".

While I understand this is hearsay, I'm going to suggest that Schoen seems to be the likely candidate to provide that info.

[Doc]

Talk is cheap.  The only coaches who have moved-on are Daboll, who got a HC'ing job, and the under-performing Bobby Johnson, whose contract expired.  As for Frazier, if he called the plays during those 13 seconds, he should want to leave out of shame.  Same for Farwell, whose job it was to tell Bass to squib kick it.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

All year I felt like daboll would call plays that were weird or bad to prove a point

 

Like the only games that sent receivers across the middle constantly were the big must win games. Other than that routes were always down field. While we have small shifty receivers 

 

A ton of games had the bills just lack creativity at all on offense then some games it was only creativity 

 

I guess what I'm saying was it was definitely a weird season 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

It was interesting listening to McKenzie's show where he discussed the 13 seconds... Just the way he talked about McDermott. A lot of stuff like "whatever he says goes" and just the tone like McD speaks and you listen was the vibe I got. I know that's how it actually is when it comes to coaches, but it seemed like he was saying something without saying it, if you know what I mean. It was in the context of him saying the players have no idea what happened on the kickoff or why that defense was called in those 13 seconds. He sort of implied that it wasn't their business. McD makes the calls and that's that. He was very critical of it though, saying "oh with that defense that's how" about how KC got right down the field. 

 

But that could just be McKenzie being a bit bitter about not being used more in the offense and having been benched for a fumble.

 

Yeah, about that....Sal and Sneaky Joe had 'Zo Alexander on their show.  I'll try to loop back with a link.

 

FWIW, Zo said "The players know what happened for sure" and "The players know, and the players will handle it"

 

I didn't hear it myself, but our own reliable @YoloinOhio said that McKenzie admitted sleeping through McDermott's address to the team and coming in late on that Monday, so perhaps McKenzie doesn't know what happened because he wasn't there ....and no one from the D is telling him because he said he got on the plane and told the D "I got to go back to my hotel room with my dog, and pack...because of YOU". 

 

I wouldn't go out of my way to clue that guy in so he could go torment one of my teammates.

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. It was blatantly obvious there was some sort of power struggle going on throughout the season based on McDermott's public comments alone.  Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey.

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason McDermott's seat may be very hot in 2022.

Your posts are so incredibly dumb. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

All year I felt like daboll would call plays that were weird or bad to prove a point

 

Like the only games that sent receivers across the middle constantly were the big must win games. Other than that routes were always down field. While we have small shifty receivers 

 

A ton of games had the bills just lack creativity at all on offense then some games it was only creativity 

 

I guess what I'm saying was it was definitely a weird season 

 

I'd just like to point out here that all year, Ken Dorsey had the title "passing game coordinator".  So maybe it's not a good thing he got promoted to OC.

[Trogdor]

42 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

 

Yes..three years max...1st year is cap clearing tank year...then, 2nd year..draft QB behind leaky offensive line...then mid-third year with 2 wins, NY fans base become unruly and they end up with an interim HC.

Are people actively hoping he fails? Is this a thing now? I'm grateful for his part in making this team exciting. I hope he finds success, just not as much as the Bills. Seems there are a lot of bitter ex's here though. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. It was blatantly obvious there was some sort of power struggle going on throughout the season based on McDermott's public comments alone.  Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey.

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason McDermott's seat may be very hot in 2022.

[HOUSE]

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!"

(Sir Walter Scott, 1808)

[Punching Bag]

45 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I guess everyone's image of our front office sitting around holding hands and signing "kumbaya" has been blown.

 

It is no difference than any other year with Debbie Downers looking at any kind of mud the throw and make it stick.

[muppy]

pass the tylenol OH THE DRAMA......Boooooooo...........headache making stuff TABLOID FODDER

[london_bills]

40 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

He burned his bridges up here. The guy got his 1st HC job and he trashes Sean, who gave him the OC job that laid the groundwork.  Classless. Brian, every Bills player gave you a sterling endorsement and you stick in Sean's ear.

Where did Daboll trash McDermott?

[GunnerBill]

What a load of nonsense.

[RobbRiddick]

Hey, I don't like this. When it was the Dolphins and Billy B I was having a great time pointing and laughing, but now McD is being dragged into it too?

 

I think he should just release a statement that says "praise the Lord" and keep quiet until training camp

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:

Three years if he’s lucky. My Giants fan buddies think that organization is so f’d up, he’ll be lucky to last two. 

It's not likely Daboll will succeed at HC anymore than Frazier did in Minnesota. Daniel Jones will be his final dagger. It took Daboll nearly 3 1/2 years to realize the value of pulling guards on your running plays. 

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Who cares.   Daboll thought he was going to be a coach in 2021 cycle and didnt get it, furthermore he was pissy because McDermott publicly stated they needed to be more balanced on offense.   I honestly think he came off like a goof in his opening press conference.   Three years from now, Daboll will be asking for his job back.

 

 

 

 

Three years from now, Daboll and Flores will both be working for the Raiders............where careers go to die

[Heitz]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Are people actively hoping he fails? Is this a thing now? I'm grateful for his part in making this team exciting. I hope he finds success, just not as much as the Bills. Seems there are a lot of bitter ex's here though. 

I do think the poster was talking more about he team than the man, but I'm with ya,  You gotta root for Daboll at least a bit, he's a Buffalo guy, so I wish him success.  May we meet in the Super Bowl next year (at which time, it will be just fine to spank him).  

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Also given these comments brought to light today, McDermott will likely be pulling the strings and dictating what type of offense to run and that should scare the hell out of Bills fans.

Well, he is the friggin Head Coach after all.

 

 

[london_bills]

McDermott 49-32.

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. It was blatantly obvious there was some sort of power struggle going on throughout the season based on McDermott's public comments alone.  Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey.

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason McDermott's seat may be very hot in 2022.

You do understand teams are required to interview a minority candidate outside the organization for an open coordinator position right? 
 

What power struggle was blatantly obvious?

[HamptonBillsfan]

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Where did Daboll trash McDermott?

In Flores lawsuit, he claims Brian said he was down on Sean, and even if he wasn't offered an HC job, he wanted out. This is according to Nate Mendelssohn, a beat reporter I guess. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

While I understand this is hearsay, I'm going to suggest that Schoen seems to be the likely candidate to provide that info.

 

We have no idea. 

 

If I were Schoen, and I wanted to be the GM and wanted to hire Brian Daboll, the LAST thing I would do would be to suggest to my new employers that maybe they could hire someone other than My Guy, and still recruit him as OC, so it doesn't seem likely to me.

 

Personally, I think all these HC and HC candidates have big egos.  They may pat dogs on the head and help little old ladies cross the street when outside the facility, but inside it they are determined that What They Want to Do is Correct. 

 

I think that McDermott probably generally tries to sit back and stay out of the offense and Let Daboll Cook, and to be "growth minded" and positive when he does weigh in, but I also expect that after the Jacksonville game, then after the Indy game, McDermott held a Come to Jesus meeting with Daboll about the state of the run game and it was blunt and ugly,  and neither of them were very happy with the other in the aftermath.

 

But in fact, the run game improved and it helped us finish the season strong and get to the Division round, which helped Daboll land a HC job.

 

So it's probably Yesterday's newspaper.

Just now, HamptonBillsfan said:

In Flores lawsuit, he claims Brian said he was down on Sean, and even if he wasn't offered an HC job, he wanted out. This is according to Nate Mendelssohn, a beat reporter I guess. 

 

Look at the actual tweets that are quoted.  McDonnell (the NYG pro personnel guy) is quoted as saying "he HEARD" that Daboll wasn't happy and might leave even if not HC.

 

In other words, it's HEARSAY

[Mojo44]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We have no idea. 

 

If I were Schoen, and I wanted to be the GM and wanted to hire Brian Daboll, the LAST thing I would do would be to suggest to my new employers that maybe they could hire someone other than My Guy, and still recruit him as OC, so it doesn't seem likely to me.

 

Personally, I think all these HC and HC candidates have big egos.  They may pat dogs on the head and help little old ladies cross the street when outside the facility, but inside it they are determined that What They Want to Do is Correct. 

 

I think that McDermott probably generally tries to sit back and stay out of the offense and Let Daboll Cook, and to be "growth minded" and positive when he does weigh in, but I also expect that after the Jacksonville game, then after the Indy game, McDermott held a Come to Jesus meeting with Daboll about the state of the run game and it was blunt and ugly,  and neither of them were very happy with the other in the aftermath.

 

But in fact, the run game improved and it helped us finish the season strong and get to the Division round, which helped Daboll land a HC job.

 

So it's probably Yesterday's newspaper.

 

Look at the actual tweets that are quoted.  McDonnell (the NYG pro personnel guy) is quoted as saying "he HEARD" that Daboll wasn't happy and might leave even if not HC.

 

In other words, it's HEARSAY

Hearsay is exactly what this is and nothing more. There isn’t one shred of “evidence”!

[muppy]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

Talk is cheap.  The only coaches who have moved-on are Daboll, who got a HC'ing job, and the under-performing Bobby Johnson, whose contract expired.  As for Frazier, if he called the plays during those 13 seconds, he should want to leave out of shame.  Same for Farwell, whose job it was to tell Bass to squib kick it.

this is rididadink people....I laugh at the uproar FAKE NEWS

 

lmao

[Matt_In_NH]

Anytime you have the pressure these guys are under and the competitiveness it takes for these jobs there will be disagreement.  Hopefully there is no systemic problems at OBD and I doubt there are 

[Trogdor]

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It's not likely Daboll will succeed at HC anymore than Frazier did in Minnesota. Daniel Jones will be his final dagger. It took Daboll nearly 3 1/2 years to realize the value of pulling guards on your running plays. 

McD was a mediocre DC before he got here. You really never know 

 

[Nextmanup]

6 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

Hearsay is exactly what this is and nothing more. There isn’t one shred of “evidence”!

Does that make you feel better?

 

 

[muppy]

13 minutes ago, london_bills said:

McDermott 49-32.

on the UPscwing in 2022 It is a lock. I said it so it must be so right?

 

**ducks flying cyber rotten tomatoes*

 

lol-m

[Malazan]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

this is rididadink people....I laugh at the uproar FAKE NEWS

 

lmao

 

It's only fake news if it doesn't support the narrative I've made up in my head!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Where did Daboll trash McDermott?

 

No where in public

 

If he got taken to the woodshed by McDermott over the lack of run game, and vented in private to someone he thought was a "safe ear" which got told to someone who spread it around color me surprised

 

Hopefully Daboll will learn something from this - "if you tell a secret to your friend, and your friend blabbs, who told first - you or he?"

[uninja]

These are all basically executive level positions within NFL organizations, if you think any c-level meeting is all sunshine, rainbows and farts damn have I got news for you.

 

Meetings get heated sometimes.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, london_bills said:

A text here that said Frazier wanted out and heath farwell would 'resign' over the chiefs ending.

 

A text from who?

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

What a load of nonsense.

I don’t think so. 
 

maybe Daboll didn’t want McKenzie benched and inactive. Doesn’t mean Dabs hated McD but I could easily see him being overruled and not being “happy” about it.

 

Ultimately, I bet this is wildly overblown over a couple disagreements between an offensive coach and a defensive coach on certain things which happen in probably every single team every week. I’ve see BB scream at McDaniels for 12 years. Doubt they hate each other.

[ngbills]

I would not be shocked by this. It was a weird year for Daboll. How good we were in the end causes some memory loss to most of the season. I think Daboll may have been butting heads with McD all year. 

[Mojo44]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Does that make you feel better?

 

 

I really don’t get your response. I just made a statement that is the truth. It has nothing to do with how I feel. Why does this trigger you?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It's not likely Daboll will succeed at HC anymore than Frazier did in Minnesota. Daniel Jones will be his final dagger. It took Daboll nearly 3 1/2 years to realize the value of pulling guards on your running plays. 

 

whatchumean?  Daboll did it just fine in 2019

[london_bills]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

A text from who?

A poster, I can't remember who it was . I can't believe farwell will be going and so if he doesn't Ieave (as he hasn't yet) then I take the post to not be accurate