Solomon Grundy Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He. Gained. 5, Rush. Yards. Yes, but he escaped pressure and completed passes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Frazier was quoted earlier in the year as saying something to the effect of they don’t like to make adjustments in game because it demonstrates to the players a lack of confidence in the original game plan…. Which is down right ridiculous…. If anything the Championship game showed that these guys have to change up something scheme wise on defense and become more willing to adapt. It is ridiculous because the other teams offense is going to adjust. Why would you not adjust to it? No one system is going to stop everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theRalph Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 hours ago, stevewin said: Interesting comments on the kick. As far as the defense - the one thing the Bills did for sure was funnel the ball to the middle He's covering for McD there. He's the next Bills OC. He and McD have admired each other for years with Panthers D -Saints O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I play better defense so there is no overtime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Frazier was quoted earlier in the year as saying something to the effect of they don’t like to make adjustments in game because it demonstrates to the players a lack of confidence in the original game plan…. Which is down right ridiculous…. If anything the Championship game showed that these guys have to change up something scheme wise on defense and become more willing to adapt. I may be wrong but I believe the quote was by a former player (I am not even sure it was a Bill) about defensive coordinators in general, not Frazier in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: Out of bounds ? And give it to them at the 40 ? Weird bounce, home run throw back, laterals, personal fouls etc... that kind of weird crap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) On 1/31/2022 at 8:50 AM, racketmaster said: I would have only rushed 2 defenders with 13 seconds because it does not matter if you get home or not with that little time and with them having timeouts. If Mahomes wanted to stand back there for 11 seconds before throwing so be it. Then game is over by time ball lands. Rushing 2 makes most sense but I could have lived with 3. Rushing 4 on both plays was criminally stupid in that situation. I could care less about the squib because a lot could have happened and Bills likely would be worried about Hill being put back there and getting a big return. This is why McD and Frazier are absolutely clueless in these key situational moments, or in a games key critical moment. When the right play call needs to be made on the field to prevent an opposing team from doing what KC did to us on D, this team fails over and over because our coaches have instilled in its players to not play reactively when the moment calls for it. Instead everything is scripted so badly we end up having players doing nothing but standing on the field out of position, looking around dumbfounded. Our Defensive football IQ against good teams is less than acceptable, reading what the other team is trying to do or preventing them from making a must have big play has not happened yet with this coaching staff. Like every other NFL Media outlet has said over and over this past couple of weeks, the coaching staff blew the last 13 seconds of this game. It is an embarrassment that other NFL, coaches are now chiming in, and pointing out these obvious flaws with our Defensive play calling strategy and our situational awareness while on D. Way to go McD and Frazier you guys get to wear the dunce cap the rest of this off season and go stand in the damn corner. Frasier has to go....McD needs to go next if we fail to get to a SB in this coming season. Edited February 1, 2022 by Toyo321 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I feel like our entire team and coaching staff was so mindblown that JA actually pulled out that final drive and put them up by 3 with 13 seconds left that after that everyone just had a collective "oh god don't ***** it up don't ***** it up oh ***** we ***** it up" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 hours ago, stevewin said: Interesting comments on the kick. As far as the defense - the one thing the Bills did for sure was funnel the ball to the middle I really enjoyed what he had to say and you could see they were so terrified of getting burned on D by Hill that it allowed KC far more opportunity then they ever should've had 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 hours ago, stevewin said: Interesting comments on the kick. As far as the defense - the one thing the Bills did for sure was funnel the ball to the middle Bass has kicked that high pop up around the 10 probably 15x this season. That was the call and no one relayed that information to Bass. 5 seconds come off and now there's only time for 1 hail mary into fg range. Then go ahead and rush 3, drop 8 (all DB's). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 56 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Doesn't matter, those last 13 seconds were a coaching abomination. When did anyone say different? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Rush 0 and double team everyone. That would've been epic. Edited February 1, 2022 by ßookie_tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 54 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: It is ridiculous because the other teams offense is going to adjust. Why would you not adjust to it? No one system is going to stop everything. ScottLaw isn't quite quoting what Leslie said. Leslie said it is really hard to adjust mid game to something you haven't practiced all week. He said you have a plan and you normally have some wrinkles you can go to but throwing out the gameplan and doing something totally different is generally a bad idea. I discussed it at the time that he gave the interview with my former NFL position coach buddy who now lives in the UK and his take on it was he agreed with Leslie. He said the future HoF coach that he worked for tried it once at half time in a game and they got run outta the show and their conclusion was "we are never doing that again". It comes down to the fact, for me, that any call is only as good as its execution. If you change to something your guys are not ready to execute you are dead in the water. There is a nuance between that and "we don't believe in adjustments". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: When did anyone say different? As long as we're clear.....🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: As long as we're clear.....🤣 it's hard to annoy gunner...and you're actually managing to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Weird bounce, home run throw back, laterals, personal fouls etc... that kind of weird crap I get that, but giving the Chiefs the ball at the 40 with 13 secs and timeouts ? 25 yards to Buttner range ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: I get that, but giving the Chiefs the ball at the 40 with 13 secs and timeouts ? 25 yards to Buttner range ... Who said anything about giving them the ball at the 40? No one said kick it out of bounds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Who said anything about giving them the ball at the 40? No one said kick it out of bounds Referring to your post and what Jay Feely said ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 hours ago, ßookie_tech said: Rush 0 and double team everyone. That’d would been epic. Just tackle every pass catchers and the Bills win. Instead they let Kelce and Hill run free untouched. Beyond pathetic. Makes me sick. As time passes I get more disgusted. I can't see Frazier and McD in the same positive mind frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Of course that from a man who did "still play defense" and give up the Minnesota miracle. Hmm I disagree that the situations are comparable. The Minnesota miracle was more or a player failure than a scheme/coaching failure like we had with frasier and mcd in KC. Saints safety was in position to make the play, and he blew it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: ScottLaw isn't quite quoting what Leslie said. Leslie said it is really hard to adjust mid game to something you haven't practiced all week. He said you have a plan and you normally have some wrinkles you can go to but throwing out the gameplan and doing something totally different is generally a bad idea. I discussed it at the time that he gave the interview with my former NFL position coach buddy who now lives in the UK and his take on it was he agreed with Leslie. He said the future HoF coach that he worked for tried it once at half time in a game and they got run outta the show and their conclusion was "we are never doing that again". It comes down to the fact, for me, that any call is only as good as its execution. If you change to something your guys are not ready to execute you are dead in the water. There is a nuance between that and "we don't believe in adjustments". Ok well that's a bit different than an adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah it took a WHOLE LOT to go right for Cinci and wrong for KC for that result to happen. But the big difference is that Cinci isn't married to one thing on defense..........the Bills ultimately are. No excuse to have players together for as long as they have had that back 7 and not be able to do what Cinci did in the second half. I'm sure you'll say it's the CB's but I think the lack of scheme diversity largely begins with Edmunds..........which is crazy because he should be an ultimate wildcard type of player with his size and athleticism..........but he plays the brain of the defense and might be the least instinctive player on the field. hell, can you imagine those play calls getting relayed to an mlb that truly owned the defense? with the timeouts we called this defense 4 times and no one thought to make the case that they were protecting open field and leaving all prime areas to target wide open? Edited February 1, 2022 by NoSaint 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 hours ago, DCofNC said: I wonder if Payton would like an OC job in Buffalo, paid like a HC and promise of the reins when McClappy screws up again? Payton will never play second fiddle as anyones coordinator, as well he shouldn’t. He’s more than proven himself as a good to great coach in the league. He will have multiple teams after him next year if he decides to come back and those teams figure out compensation with the Saints to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 hours ago, DocLawless said: Hmm I disagree that the situations are comparable. The Minnesota miracle was more or a player failure than a scheme/coaching failure like we had with frasier and mcd in KC. Saints safety was in position to make the play, and he blew it. But had they been deeper it doesn't happen. Both situations require the right call and the right execution and got neither. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Doesn't take a recently retured NFL coach to figure this out. The Bills defensive plan with 13 seconds to go in the game sucked. Anyone (well, except the Bills coaches) could figure that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) The blunder that stood out to me after listening to Paytons analysis and the mistake was playing "outside technique", coach speak for guarding the sidelines, it appeared McD and Frazier just didn't factor in the Chiefs had timeouts. It was the correct call if they had no timeouts, but that wasn't the case. Simple as that. The D was too deep and too wide. It was poor situational awareness. It was exactly the defense you would want to face to get into FG range with timeouts in hand. Edited February 1, 2022 by billsfan714 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 21 hours ago, First Round Bust said: appeciate the insight of a respected insider, ok so the kick-off may or may not have been flawed but a high kick to the 5 or 10 should have been the play over the touchback and no time runoff ? the D took away the long ball and the sideline but gave the middle seam further suggestions: 1. 2 or 3 man rush not 4 2. one defensive hold esp on first down should have been ordered to run more time 3 the use of timeouts on D is zero benefit as the O see the D as well as was the case with Kelce telling Mahomes his analysis during the timeout, plus Mahomes yelled for Kecle "Do It Kelce do it !" and the D did not pick up on that ??? And how about jamming the receivers for a change? At least so they're not running at full speed out of their cuts for gods sake. The Chiefs could not have had a more favorable defense if they had planned it themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 17 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Frazier was quoted earlier in the year as saying something to the effect of they don’t like to make adjustments in game because it demonstrates to the players a lack of confidence in the original game plan…. Which is down right ridiculous…. If anything the Championship game showed that these guys have to change up something scheme wise on defense and become more willing to adapt. If I'm reading between the lines, it comes down to control and ego...which most people have issues with. I think McD sees his game plan as enough and subject, as evidenced by his post-game reference to execution, only to players playing his scheme. The opponent isn't going to dictate to him what he does. I don't see the HC changing his spots this late into his NFL career. All NFL HC's are strong personalities, but it's becoming McD's worst feature: a stubborn insistence his defensive planning is correct and adaptation to the opponent isn't necessary. It'd be interesting to know how the players feel about a confined system that permitted KC to move the ball effortlessly against that scheme. You'd think with so much experience on the back 7 that McD and Frazier would trust these guys more...especially Hyde and Poyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Payton is pointing out the obvious, but that's fine. McD and Frazier acted like a couple of clueless rookie coaches in the final seconds of that game. It's just awful and cost the Bills and Josh Allen a possible Lombardi trophy. It's so incredibly difficult to get back to that point, and we were there...and the game was blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 But we have a whole 7-8 months to gripe (and maybe see Burrow hoist the Lombardi), but we also saw two almost perfect games from Allen and can replay them over & over and extol his virtues.....🤣 Could you imagine winning that game and then Allen melting down the second half vs. Cincy and what we'd be talking about here. Frankly that could be even worse.....😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 i just think they were athletically so suspect in the secondary for McD/Frazier to feel good about that scheme. TRE white one on one w kelce instead of levi? maybe. The coaches are WAY too confident in these players sometimes. Levi is a borderline journeyman CB in this league. Dane jackson does not have speed or quickness. I thought poyer looked incredibly slow and poor reaction in a lot of plays. the only reason they got away with these unathletic players is bc they play this uber forgiving soft zone D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, finn said: And how about jamming the receivers for a change? At least so they're not running at full speed out of their cuts for gods sake. The Chiefs could not have had a more favorable defense if they had planned it themselves. theres a reason for that. bc dane and levi attempt at jamming will absolutely get dusted beat over the top. this is the fault of McD /beane scheme and roster. we can only play soft zone w these players - not capable of playing man or jamming. Edited February 1, 2022 by balln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 It's unfortunate. He seems like a coach who is Belicheck-esque where he has every scenario rehearsed and knows exactly what to do in every situation and maybe he does but chokes/freezes in situations like these. From the type of kick-off, from playing unGodly deep coverage for 13 secs, playing the sidelines when chiefs have 2 timeouts, etc etc etc. Everyone is just dumbfounded by the way the last 13 seconds played out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Getting in an insult for his buddy the patriots coach. Thanks for stating the obvious Sean Payton. Go back to putting bounties on players heads. How did he not and not win multiple Super Bowls with a HOF quarterback ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But had they been deeper it doesn't happen. Both situations require the right call and the right execution and got neither. Minnesota was playing for a long FG attempt there, not a TD. That was just gravy because the Saints' DB, who was in position, choked and whiffed on Diggs. The players were there; they just failed and Diggs made a play. I disagree with you here. 1 hour ago, TD716 said: Getting in an insult for his buddy the patriots coach. Thanks for stating the obvious Sean Payton. Go back to putting bounties on players heads. How did he not and not win multiple Super Bowls with a HOF quarterback ? Well, he lost one chance because of arguably the worst non-call in NFL history. If that call is made, he is in the SB. Don't forget that. Edited February 1, 2022 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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