Coaching McDermott?

[wagne591]

I was wondering if the Bills invite someone to camp...maybe a former coach who has experienced the stress of game situations to drill McDermott on a daily basis?  I know McD always says he will look at the tape and figure out what we can do better and he has always said that but the results aren't showing up on the field and in crunch time. 

-  It seems like he holds on to TO's for situations where the TO's could be better used to defuse or settle down situations (like maybe that kickoff with 13 seconds left to make sure "trust but verify" Bass had the plan if there was any doubt and to talk a little longer with the D to ensure all are on the same page) 

-  Or McD says well we thought about doing that (like holding the receivers once to kill 5 of the 13 seconds) 

-  Or just practice strategies with a former coach who has been in his shoes?

The reason i say training camp because I feel like the coach for McD can bring up the situations when McD is not ready for them or doesn't know they are coming and he can give his answer.  

 

Also has anyone ever heard of a football team having a game manager on the sidelines instead of a coach like in baseball.  Someone who just manages the game? I didn't want to take anything away from McD but it might be nice to have a game manager sitting next to him during the game to be feeding him information and communicating with the Analysts instead of McD doing it.  That is not a knock on McD just a way to take some off McD's plate.  Thoughts...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Andy Ried? 

[LABILLBACKER]

Ya know, you're either smart or stupid. So tired of him having to learn from his mistakes. He usually makes the appropriate corrections but will make a new mistake. Maybe he was so flustered about getting the kick type wrong that it affected the 2 defensive schemes (or lack thereof). Does Jordan run any coaching clinics?

[Success]

Quick - name a coach who hasn't made a big mistake.

 

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Quick - name a coach who hasn't made a big mistake.

 

Craig T. Nelson

[billsfan1959]

Oh for heaven's sake...

[Alphadawg7]

Is this a real thread?  Ashton is that you?  Are we on a "Punk'd" reboot?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

McDermott needs to act like every game is the new England playoff game; hammer down every drive. Have to stay aggressive the whole time and this includes defense. I no McDermott doesn't like to blitz but we could use zone blitz to overload a weak spot and still maintain coverage.

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

McD needs anti-choking classes, desperately.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

29 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Andy Ried? 

 

Marv

 

 

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

McD needs anti-choking classes, desperately.

 

They got burned by hill on the final TD drive and he probably felt with 13 seconds they couldn't score if they laid back. However this was/is always a mistake, need to press coverage and double to keep them from throwing the ball.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

Sigh.

 

*shakes head, thinks of many stupid things his six year-old has done*

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Nextmanup]

I have thought about this sort of thing a lot lately.

 

A HC in the NFL is like 4 or 5 job titles rolled into 1 person.

 

I think the model is outdated and not up to date with the speed and complexity of the game.

 

For example, most important in-game decisions should be made by the "decision team"  which should be really smart guys with Ph.Ds in statistics.

 

All challenges should be handled by a challenge team that is in place purely for challenges, and so on.

 

And look at how much time/thought/energy McDermott wastes harping at the officials all game!  They all do it! 

 

What a waste!  Get someone on staff to yell at the refs if you think that is productive (it's not).

 

10 years from now I think the smarter NFL teams will have systems more like what I am describing.

 

They do it the way they do it now b/c that is the way it has always been done.

But it's not 1948 anymore.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Ya know, you're either smart or stupid. So tired of him having to learn from his mistakes. He usually makes the appropriate corrections but will make a new mistake. Maybe he was so flustered about getting the kick type wrong that it affected the 2 defensive schemes (or lack thereof). Does Jordan run any coaching clinics?

 

Jordan Palmer himself pointed out that there's no substitute for actual experience playing in big games - it's not something he can replicate or the Bills coaches can replicate during drills or practice.

 

Similar would be true learning to manage as the HC in big games.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just realized something. If we miss the 2 pt conversion we probably win. McDermott is "scared" of the FG instead of frightened of the TD and adjusts the defense appropriately. Maybe we give him some immersion therapy at the haunted houses on Clifton Hill once Canada re-opens again.

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, wagne591 said:

I was wondering if the Bills invite someone to camp...maybe a former coach who has experienced the stress of game situations to drill McDermott on a daily basis?  I know McD always says he will look at the tape and figure out what we can do better and he has always said that but the results aren't showing up on the field and in crunch time. 

-  It seems like he holds on to TO's for situations where the TO's could be better used to defuse or settle down situations (like maybe that kickoff with 13 seconds left to make sure "trust but verify" Bass had the plan if there was any doubt and to talk a little longer with the D to ensure all are on the same page) 

-  Or McD says well we thought about doing that (like holding the receivers once to kill 5 of the 13 seconds) 

-  Or just practice strategies with a former coach who has been in his shoes?

The reason i say training camp because I feel like the coach for McD can bring up the situations when McD is not ready for them or doesn't know they are coming and he can give his answer.  

 

Also has anyone ever heard of a football team having a game manager on the sidelines instead of a coach like in baseball.  Someone who just manages the game? I didn't want to take anything away from McD but it might be nice to have a game manager sitting next to him during the game to be feeding him information and communicating with the Analysts instead of McD doing it.  That is not a knock on McD just a way to take some off McD's plate.  Thoughts...

So let me get this straight... he's hands off the O, D, and ST because he trusts his Coordinators... now he needs a game manager for him... remind me again what exactly he's doing? 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

So let me get this straight... he's hands off the O, D, and ST because he trusts his Coordinators... now he needs a game manager for him... remind me again what exactly he's doing? 

 

I think that makes him in charge of orange slices at half time.  

 

It’s a great gig if you can get it!

 

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Edited January 28, 2022 by Augie

[harryS]

The only way to improve is reps but unfortunately NFL teams only play 17 games a season, and when you're a very good team like the Bills, many of those games don't even put the coaches into high-leverage clutch situations.

 

McD needs to spend 8 hours a day with some sort of situational football simulator software, so he can increase his reps.  It's like how the best poker players in the world are 22-yr-old computer dorks who play 8 tables at once online.  They can see as many hands in two weeks as Doyle Brunson sees in a year.

[ArtVandalay]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think that makes him in charge of orange slices at half time.  

 

It’s a great gig if you can get it!

 

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I ain't no juice box guy!

 

https://youtu.be/ry1tNGC6npg

[Governor]

Years ago, the biggest loser chokers were Wade Phillips and then Andy Reid, but Wade finally won a SB. That made me really mad when that happened.

 

Reid eventually put great people around him which offset his choking abilities during games and had just enough to finally win one. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Governor

[harryS]

If some proprietary simulator can't be developed, then McD should just play Madden 8 hours a day to get the reps he needs.  The top 100 ranked Madden players in the world would run circles around him for gameday management.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

McD needs anti-choking classes, desperately.

 

He would need more if he posted here.

[wvbillsfan]

The guy just needs to play about two months of Madden and he will be a clock managing master 

 

I’m being serious 

Lots of reps

[RaoulDuke79]

McDermott is a great holistic team building guy. He's a big picture guy. Hes taken this team fom 0 playoffs in 16 or 17 years to a consistent playoff team......His game management is piss poor. There needs to be someone on the sideline to tell him what to do. There have been more than enough times where he's either wasting timeouts or not using them at all. His clock management is bad. I'll give him credit about getting more aggressive overall and going for more 4th downs, the 4th and 1' last game not withstanding. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

Craig T. Nelson

Are you kidding me? He was trash with the Orlando Breakers. 

[Victory Formation]

DISCLAIMER: I fully expect to be tarred and feathered for my opinion below, but it is what it is. Proceed with caution! ⚠️ 

In the spirit of this thread and in respects to @wagne591, I think if there ever were such a coach his name would be Bill O’Brien who is currently the OC/QB coach at Alabama. He was successful at PSU as a HC and he’s coached under both Belichick and Saban and he was the HC for the Texans for a number of years, but flamed out terribly as their GM, so I suppose he could tell McD about what not to do there. 
 

Ultimately however, O’Brien also has experience with the Erhardt-Perkins offense, which is what we’re currently running and that’s the offense that Josh is most familiar with.
 

Another good thing about O’Brien too is that he will not get any HC offers any time soon. So we essentially have a quality OC locked down for the foreseeable future and we will have stability on the offensive side of the ball. Meaning Josh Allen would have a permanent, high quality staff around him for the long term future giving us more continuity and less coaching turnover and who knows? Maybe Dorsey could stay on as our QB coach as well?

 

In the end, I value the experience of someone like O’Brien and he has a great pedigree. That wealth of knowledge is only going to make this team richer. McD would have an overly qualified “right hand man” on offense that he could lean on. Keep in mind that Buffalo is McDermott’s first head coaching job and a guy like O’Brien could kind of help McD learn and understand the nuances of being a HC.

 

Anyways, try not to rip into me too hard guys and I know for some of you that may be impossible, but I’m hearing that Belichick is going to target O’Brien as his OC if McDaniels goes to Nevada. So my idea can’t be that stupid. 🤡 

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

DISCLAIMER: I fully expect to be tarred and feathered for my opinion below, but it is what it is. Proceed with caution! ⚠️ 

In the spirit of this thread and in respects to @wagne591, I think if there ever were such a coach his name would be Bill O’Brien who is currently the OC/QB coach at Alabama. He was successful at PSU as a HC and he’s coached under both Belichick and Saban and he was the HC for the Texans for a number of years, but flamed out terribly as their GM, so I suppose he could tell McD about what not to do there. 
 

Ultimately however, O’Brien also has experience with the Erhardt-Perkins offense, which is what we’re currently running and that’s the offense that Josh is most familiar with.
 

Another good thing about O’Brien too is that he will not get any HC offers any time soon. So we essentially have a quality OC locked down for the foreseeable future and we will have stability on the offensive side of the ball. Meaning Josh Allen would have a permanent, high quality staff around him for the long term future giving us more continuity and less coaching turnover and who knows? Maybe Dorsey could stay on as our QB coach as well?

 

In the end, I value the experience of someone like O’Brien and he has a great pedigree. That wealth of knowledge is only going to make this team richer. McD would have an overly qualified “right hand man” on offense that he could lean on. Keep in mind that Buffalo is McDermott’s first head coaching job and a guy like O’Brien could kind of help McD learn and understand the nuances of being a HC.

 

Anyways, try not to rip into me too hard guys and I know for some of you that may be impossible, but I’m hearing that Belichick is going to target O’Brien as his OC if McDaniels goes to Nevada. So my idea can’t be that stupid. 🤡 

If there’s one thing Bill O’Brien has experience with, it’s blowing leads in the playoffs to the Chiefs.  That 24-0 lead was a 28-24 deficit before halftime.  It literally collapsed an entire franchise.

[Victory Formation]

11 minutes ago, Billl said:

If there’s one thing Bill O’Brien has experience with, it’s blowing leads in the playoffs to the Chiefs.  That 24-0 lead was a 28-24 deficit before halftime.  It literally collapsed an entire franchise.

He would not be our HC, he would be our OC and what you’re talking about is completely irrelevant because that’s not the capacity in which we would be using him in.

[Alphadawg7]

Wait...this thread made it to two pages?  

 

Baby Jesus help us all.

[longtimebillsfan]

9 hours ago, Success said:

Quick - name a coach who hasn't made a big mistake.

 

Hackett. 

[JGMcD2]

9 hours ago, harryS said:

If some proprietary simulator can't be developed, then McD should just play Madden 8 hours a day to get the reps he needs.  The top 100 ranked Madden players in the world would run circles around him for gameday management.

The top ranked Madden players have their QBs take 15 yard drops and run the same 4 plays all game. Maybe we should do that too? 

[HOUSE]

There are lots of coaches that are pretty good at key moments and some freeze up under pressure. The same can be said in large corporations, Some CEOs are good but not great. McD clearly blew his chance...

 

Brandon Beane better address the situation soon without all the side stepping or he risks losing the team.

[Matt_In_NH]

Drill him everyday.  Lol

[Mr. WEO]

Send him to the D league (USFL) this spring and see if he can outcoach Jeff Fisher

[harryS]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

The top ranked Madden players have their QBs take 15 yard drops and run the same 4 plays all game. Maybe we should do that too? 

 

I was obviously referring to the situational football aspect, as that is where McDermott failed miserably.  Madden players can play like 20 games a day, so they run into 4th-down decisions, 13 seconds left decisions, etc at a much higher frequency than NFL coaches who only coach 17 games a year.

 

Like I said, it's why the young online poker players are the best in the world.  They just see so many more hands than the old-school guys who aren't 8-tabling online.

Madden is not my preference, btw.  I want the Pegulas to pay for a proprietary simulator software for situational gameday decision-making.

[T master]

All on the field are subject to learning & if they or anyone else thinks they are done learning or in some way think they know it all they are more foolish than they know ! 

 

Bill B given all his time & everything he has seen on the football field hasn't stopped learning sure he may be really really good & know a lot about the game but he can always learn something no matter how small that might be .

 

McD being the type of coach he has been to this point is still only in his 5th year of being a HC in the NFL and still has a lot to learn & i have confidence in th fact that he will watch this tape from this season & learn from it to bring more to his knowledge & coaching for the years to come & i hope it will be for a very long time as the Bills HC .

 

Because if he continues the way he is going Buffalo will 1 day have the Lombardi in their trophy case & that banner in the practice field walls along with the other championship banners that hang there ...