Are we over-reacting to the 13 seconds?

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, cv05 said:

That specific kick probably was unfortunately. They have an awesome kicker...

No it wouldn't have been in that cold.  Doesn't matter, it's over....

[BuffaloMatt]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They went 44.... Is the FG good from 57???? 

It could have been. Kickers today hit 50 plus regularly. Cincy kicker had two 50 plus in the divisional round. KC kick - 49 yards-had plenty of leg and height. 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I posted yesterday, but the mighty Belichick basically did the same in the 2018 AFCCG.  KC had more time - 38 seconds - but only 1 timeout, and they went from their own 31 to New England's 20 in 18 seconds.  2 passes, just like against us.

 

And BB didn't squib it, either.

 

13 seconds is like a minute+ for KC.  And it would have been for Allen if the situation was reversed.  It was terrible, but not that crazy.

 

 

29 minutes ago, cv05 said:

I guess the question is - how often do the Chiefs gain 40 yards in 2 plays? if you told me 1 in 10 I wouldn't disagree

 

26 minutes ago, ngbills said:

But would need to be adjusted for not caring at all about giving up 10 yards or having any pass rush or a running play. 

 

2018 AFCG, 48 yards in 2 plays (16 seconds) to tie the game and send it to overtime....

 

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

No. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

If you don't care about Winning a Super Bowl, I guess that's overreacting. It was there and the coaches made one of the biggest mistakes in NFL history 

[Fred Slacks]

I think in the moment I just threw my hands up as if this stuff happens.  Shockingly calm.  Yesterday I was frustrated.  Today I am actually more pissed off.  That should of been Josh Allen's legendary cummupance moment.  The world should be talking about him outplaying Mahomes.  Quite frankly at that point he was leading in passing TD's and yardage.  When you score a go ahead TD with 13 seconds it should basically be an automatic that you just won the game for your team.  He got jobbed big time.  

 

As much as I try to convince myself we will be good for a long time and compete for a long time with Allen (which I fully believe), this year specifically the path to the Super Bowl as well as a Super Bowl victory is arguably the easiest remaining opponents in recent memory.  This really would have been our best shot that I can ever recall.  That I believe is why I am pissed.

 

Don't misinterpret my post as wanting to clean house and fire McDermott.  I don't want that.  I am just pissed and need time to digest.  I really want the continuity.  Keep the core players and staff.  Upgrade where it's been blatantly obvious to all (Defensive pass rush, CB, maybe LB).

 

I am not that hard on Edmunds as everyone else either.  I think he is doing what he is coached to do.  Yes I believe he is limited in his coverage recognition.  Hopefully that develops more.  I wouldn't get rid of him though. I think a game breaking DE changes the look for the entire defense.

 

Still disappointed.  I haven't been able to watch the game agin yet.

[FilthyBeast]

Not a chance, and quite frankly this is now the 2nd year in a row where the Bills have lost critical games in the final seconds due to an absurd lack of awareness when it comes to situation football.

 

Just not sure after the Hail Murray crap how this team could find an even worse way to lose a game in the final seconds considering what was on the line.

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, cv05 said:

I had never been a huge fan (attributed team success to Allen, and McDermott more just getting in the way).

 

This seems to be a particularly popular opinion these days.  Josh does everything and coach McDermott just gets in the way.

 

I have a question about this.  Was the same true of Coach McDermott's role in 2017 when Tyrod Taylor took us to the playoffs?

[Charles Romes]

I have been using this as a coping mechanism. In the modern NFL 30 second, 25 second, 21 second FG drives with timeouts in pocket have become routine.  So…maybe 13 is not so bad after all. Then I think through it some more and become even more disgusted at what happened and I want heads to roll within the organization. 

[Southern_Bills]

If you can't defend a 3 point lead in the playoffs for 13 seconds yes the future looks bad. 

 

We have to win every game by 7 or 10?

 

It's bad, the talk from McD Isn't helping. Makes it seem like there was chaos on the sidelines. 

[Pbomb]

2 hours ago, Success said:

I posted yesterday, but the mighty Belichick basically did the same in the 2018 AFCCG.  KC had more time - 38 seconds - but only 1 timeout, and they went from their own 31 to New England's 20 in 18 seconds.  2 passes, just like against us.

 

And BB didn't squib it, either.

 

13 seconds is like a minute+ for KC.  And it would have been for Allen if the situation was reversed.  It was terrible, but not that crazy.

 

They kicked it to the five and the return took 7 seconds. the next play, a pass to the rb because they actually covered people went for 21 yards and took 9 seconds and kc used their timeout. 

[Awwufelloff]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If they gave up 40 yards in 13 seconds because Kelce made a great contested catch or Hill has an amazing run after catch then all well. The way it happened is the issue. They gave the FG attempt to them.

This

[Livinginthepast]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

This seems to be a particularly popular opinion these days.  Josh does everything and coach McDermott just gets in the way.

 

I have a question about this.  Was the same true of Coach McDermott's role in 2017 when Tyrod Taylor took us to the playoffs?

McD has brought a great system , "process" to this team and even in the Tyrod era set us up to at least fight for a playoff spot. By the same token he also had some strange idea that Nathan Peterman was a viable QB and started him vs San Diego for 5 Ints which almost killed our hopes that year. Fast forward to 2021 and yes Allen is the star of the team and McDs role has been reduced to more of a manager. That being said he caused us to lose on Sunday and ruined one the greatest performances by QB ever in the playoffs by not doing his job in the last 13 secs. McD needs to evolve a bit more and learn from this incredibly awful teachable moment and finish the job next year.

[pigpen65]

Definitely under reacting to why it took as long as it did to start throwing downfield. They lost their star safety first series if the game. 

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

 

2018 AFCG, 48 yards in 2 plays (16 seconds) to tie the game and send it to overtime....

 

 

Completely different. Starting from the fact it took 16 seconds. First play took 9 so I doubt KC is thinking field goal with only 4 seconds left. 

 

The plays were completely different. Not here throw and run really quick with no one around you. Here do the same thing again. Once incompletion and its basically game no FG territory but Bills didnt even get close to the KC players. It is completely and utterly inexcusable, insane, atrocious and any other word to say how terrible a decision it was. 

[st pete gogolak]

59 minutes ago, cv05 said:

That specific kick probably was unfortunately. They have an awesome kicker...

Yes, yes, yes!  Butker was going to attempt a FG if they got within 60 yards, maybe a yard or two beyond that.  That was why I was anything but comfortable after the last Davis TD.  I went back to the play-by-play and forget that the Chiefs got the ball with 37 seconds left in the first half with three time outs and Butker doinked a 50 yarder off the upright.  That was after two Mahones incompletions.  To think that the Chiefs couldn't pick up 30ish yards from the 25 in two plays was fanciful, especially playing a defense to prevent a Hail Mary.  

[billsfan1959]

Just now, ngbills said:

Completely different. Starting from the fact it took 16 seconds. First play took 9 so I doubt KC is thinking field goal with only 4 seconds left. 

 

The plays were completely different. Not here throw and run really quick with no one around you. Here do the same thing again. Once incompletion and its basically game no FG territory but Bills didnt even get close to the KC players. It is completely and utterly inexcusable, insane, atrocious and any other word to say how terrible a decision it was. 

 

You can name all the differences you want. Here is the only thing that matters: NE gave up almost 50 yards in 2 plays at the end of the AFCCG they were leading by a field goal.

 

And the truth is the end of the game Sunday could have transpired exactly the same was as it did in the NE/KC game and you would be on here today whining and demanding...

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Under reacting if anything

It's not so much just the kick, but the defense that was played after.

 

I don't think fans realize how epically bad that stuff was.  Like firing bad IMO.

 

The kick is part of it.

 

 

[extrahammer]

46 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

This seems to be a particularly popular opinion these days.  Josh does everything and coach McDermott just gets in the way.

 

I have a question about this.  Was the same true of Coach McDermott's role in 2017 when Tyrod Taylor took us to the playoffs?

 

Looking forward to all of the: "tHaT's DiFfErEnT! 🤪  " replies to this 

[Dick_Cheney]

No.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

It sucks, but man some of the people on this forum seem to think that the 2021 Bills are the first team to lose a playoff game.  

In that fashion?  Yes, we probably are the first team.

 

That was epic levels of collapse.  Inexcusable levels of collapse. 

 

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

No.

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If they gave up 40 yards in 13 seconds because Kelce made a great contested catch or Hill has an amazing run after catch then all well. The way it happened is the issue. They gave the FG attempt to them.

 

 

Which doesn't happen if the kickoff gets fielded. 

 

The fact we don't have an answer now post McDs comments is honestly quite unacceptable 

 

If Bass screwed up no one will care or blame him.  He's just the kicker and the D still had to royally f up.  I don't buy that we're protecting Tyler Bass by not saying what went wrong or what the call was. 

 

 

 

[ngbills]

8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You can name all the differences you want. Here is the only thing that matters: NE gave up almost 50 yards in 2 plays at the end of the AFCCG they were leading by a field goal.

 

And the truth is the end of the game Sunday could have transpired exactly the same was as it did in the NE/KC game and you would be on here today whining and demanding...

Agree to disagree. There is the what happened and there is a how it happened. Watch the Bills/KC ending side by side with KC/NE side by side. KC gets credit for making plays vs NE. The Bills was an epic failure, essentially without an effort to stop it. 

[billsfan714]

No we are not overreacting.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Which doesn't happen if the kickoff gets fielded. 

 

The fact we don't have an answer now post McDs comments is honestly quite unacceptable 

 

If Bass screwed up no one will care or blame him.  He's just the kicker and the D still had to royally f up.  I don't buy that we're protecting Tyler Bass by not saying what went wrong or what the call was. 

 

 

 

Already broke it down.  He kicked with the intention of getting a touchback.  The kicker has to be told what to do and teammates be ready.  Really simple.

1. Touchback
2. left
3. right
4. middle
5. squib
6. 5-10 yardline

Not rocket science.

[msw2112]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not a chance, and quite frankly this is now the 2nd year in a row where the Bills have lost critical games in the final seconds due to an absurd lack of awareness when it comes to situation football.

 

Just not sure after the Hail Murray crap how this team could find an even worse way to lose a game in the final seconds considering what was on the line.

 

I disagee on the 2nd point.  On Hail Murray, Hopkins was surrounded by THREE Bills defenders, including some of our best DBs.  I don't think you could blanket a WR any better without mugging him to the point of getting a PI call (and yes, I know those are rare on Hail Mary passes). Hopkins just made an unbelievable play.  On the other end of that play, Addison had Murray on the run and he was scrambling for his life and nearly OB before unleashing the throw.  It was just a great play on both ends.  The Cardinals suck (relative to the Bills) and the Bills should never have been in that position. 

 

This is UNLIKE Sunday.  Hill, Kelce and Mahomes did not make any incredible athletic plays in the final 13 seconds.  They just took what the defense gave them.  They were not proprerly covered or even impeded by the Bills top defensive backs - they were wide open with a free release off the line.

 

As to the OP - while I don't think we are over-reacting in the respect of being upset and frustrated, I do think this board is beating the situation to death.  Me included.  It should have been handled better, a huge opportunity to get to and win a SB was squandered, etc.  But it happened, it's over, and no matter how many threads we have about it, how many ways we scrutinize it, how many ways it could have been better handled, etc. are not going to change it.  The Bills still have a very good coaching staff, a great team and will be a contender for years to come.  The Bills are extremely fortunate to have Josh Allen.  30 other teams wish they had him.

Edited January 26, 2022 by msw2112

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Already broke it down.  He kicked with the intention of getting a touchback.  The kicker has to be told what to do and teammates be ready.  Really simple.

1. Touchback
2. left
3. right
4. middle
5. squib
6. 5-10 yardline

Not rocket science.

 

 

We know the options.  We know this.  

 

Then why the f is McD talking about "execution?"

 

It implicates or suggests Bass screwed up.  This a solid strategy for keeping the trust of the locker room you could lose?   

Edited January 26, 2022 by Big Blitz

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Agree to disagree. There is the what happened and there is a how it happened. Watch the Bills/KC ending side by side with KC/NE side by side. KC gets credit for making plays vs NE. The Bills was an epic failure, essentially without an effort to stop it. 

 

As I said, my suspicion is you would be reacting exactly the same way no matter how KC would have gotten into FG range....

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

We know the options.  We know this.  

 

Then why the f is McD talking about "execution?"

 

It implicates or suggests Bass screwed up.  This a solid strategy for keeping the trust of the locker room you could lose?   

Only answer if Bass blew it, is no one told Bass and he did what he did all game, which is kick it through the endzone.  No kicker try a pooch kick that sails 70 yards in the air, and his approach for high short kicks is like a FG....

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

As I said, my suspicion is you would be reacting exactly the same way no matter how KC would have gotten into FG range....

I would be quite different. I would be pissed we lost, but some point accepted KC did what it needed to win. This is different and most people on here see that. This was an awful coaching decision that impacted the game. Not players outplaying players. 

[SoCal Deek]

Fire everyone!......and to answer your question: No

[Georgia Bill]

All three other games that weekend ended with the winning team kicking a field goal to win it on the final play.  Every one of the teams that lost are wondering how in the world their defense let that damn other team get into field goal range.   We're not alone in all the second guessing of play and/or coaching.

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I would be quite different. I would be pissed we lost, but some point accepted KC did what it needed to win. This is different and most people on here see that. This was an awful coaching decision that impacted the game. Not players outplaying players. 

 

I'm not sure most people on here see it the same as you. I think there is a small minority of people who are flooding this forum with posts demanding this and demanding that, while most of us have handled our disappointment a bit more rationally, accepted that mistakes were made by coaches and players, and fully expect they will learn from it and continue to grow and get better. 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by billsfan1959

[ngbills]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'm not sure most people on here see it the same as you. I think there is a small minority of people who are flooding this forum with posts demanding this and demanding that, while most of us have handled our disappointment a bit more rationally, accepted that mistakes were made by coaches and players, and fully expect they will learn from it and continue to grow and get better. 

 

Not sure about all of that or what I am demanding. I thought this was a conversation comparing what KC did to NE vs. what they did this past weekend. I disagree with the take that what KC did was normal and the KC/NE was the same thing. 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, ngbills said:

Not sure about all of that or what I am demanding. I thought this was a conversation comparing what KC did to NE vs. what they did this past weekend. I disagree with the take that what KC did was normal and the KC/NE was the same thing. 

 

Well, I think we covered that. As you said, we can agree to disagree. Cheers

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If they gave up 40 yards in 13 seconds because Kelce made a great contested catch or Hill has an amazing run after catch then all well. The way it happened is the issue. They gave the FG attempt to them.

Nailed it. It’s was strategy issue. If Bills are ok with kicking out of end zone (I don’t agree) then D strategy was flawed. Playing as if they were preventing a TD. Not bumping two best receivers at line or even holding if they elude. Even more egregious because it is Hill

and Kelce !!
It’s not overreaction to say final say goes to McDermy. So disappointed as his game decisions had improved on the O side. Multiple D time outs in critical situations had up to this point worked. Just incredible to have been so passive given the talent on KC. 

[VW82]

No. 

 

We rushed four even though Mahomes had to throw quickly. We had two guys guarding the sidelines even though Chiefs had three timeouts. Basically, we sacrificed half our defense needlessly. Then, we call a timeout to give them a good look at our crappy defense which allowed Kelce to break off his route and find the seam. No bumping WRs. No nothing.

 

We should have had 9 guys in coverage. We should have squib kicked. We F'd up so relentlessly in those 13 seconds it's a wonder we didn't somehow lose before OT.

Edited January 26, 2022 by VW82

[muppy]

Im still sad about last sundays game. I have no idea how long this funk will last. BUT I saw this today and the sentiment made me feel a bit better so I'll share it here

 

 

 

[par73]

No. I've only felt this way about the Bills two other times.