Refs and bad calls have ramifications

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Referee Jerome Boger and the crew that worked the AFC wild-card game between the Las Vegas Raidersand Cincinnati Bengals are not expected to officiate again this postseason after their problematic performance Saturday highlighted by a controversial whistle.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33078679/jerome-boger-officials-raiders-bengals-game-not-expected-work-again-nfl-postseason

 

 

 

FWIW I think the Bills came away on the good side of the refereeing Saturday 

if not worthy please move or lock 

[Bookie Man]

They should be deeply graded after every performance and paid based on grade. I guarantee it would improve. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Referee Jerome Boger and the crew that worked the AFC wild-card game between the Las Vegas Raidersand Cincinnati Bengals are not expected to officiate again this postseason after their problematic performance Saturday highlighted by a controversial whistle.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33078679/jerome-boger-officials-raiders-bengals-game-not-expected-work-again-nfl-postseason

 

 

 

FWIW I think the Bills came away on the good side of the refereeing Saturday 

if not worthy please move or lock 

In a game where we were historically dominant, so nothing they could do even if they were so inclined. I don't trust the zebras in an even match up, but can't do anything about it. If we avoid turnovers, I think we win.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

They should be deeply graded after every performance and paid based on grade. I guarantee it would improve. 

 

nice idea but WTR $

 

these guys do this “part time” and somehow I don’t think [edit] extra  💰 has much to do about it

 

They are graded just to make it in the postseason 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Bookie Man]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

these guys do this “part time” and somehow I don’t think 💰 has much to do about it

 

Yeah the part-time aspect is a big part of the problem. They need to be full time and this should be their only (main) profession. With the salaries they're paid (I think I heard upwards of $200k), they should have no problem finding well qualified candidates, I wouldn't think. 

[RyanC883]

8 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

They should be deeply graded after every performance and paid based on grade. I guarantee it would improve. 

 

the laughable refs union would never allow it.  Because, you know, refs need a union.  what a joke.  

 

This crew should be fined, and barred from doing the playoffs next season also.  That was a joke, they had to know the whistle happened and should have redon the play.  Look, inadvertent whistles happen, I get that, but the cover-up is terrible here.  

1 minute ago, ßookie_tech said:

Yeah the part-time aspect is a big part of the problem. They need to be full time and this should be their only (main) profession. With the salaries they're paid (I think I heard upwards of $200k), they should have no problem finding well qualified candidates, I wouldn't think. 

 

I disagree on the part-time aspect.  This is not rocket-science.  A lot of these guys are lawyers, doctors, whatever in their daily jobs.  It's one game a week.  Because they are so well paid, they should be fined or fired for making such bad calls (outright lie, really) as happened in the Raiders v. Bengals game.  Everyone heard the whistle.  

[GunnerBill]

Thought the Bills game was a well reffed game. As was the Cowboys game last night. They can have no complaints on the penalties called. They were penalties. 

[zow2]

I hope we don't get the crew that worked the SF/Dal game.  I felt like they injected themselves into the game too much.  I don't want to notice the referees.   i prefer when the refs call the egregious stuff, but leave the ticky tack crap alone for BOTH sides.

[Nextmanup]

14 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

They should be deeply graded after every performance and paid based on grade. I guarantee it would improve. 

They are graded/evaluated after every performance, though pay isn't based on it.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

Yes it was an inadvertent whistle, but had no effect on the play. 

 

 

 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes it was an inadvertent whistle, but had no effect on the play. 

 

 

 

Probably not, but the Raiders' db clearly stopped short. NFL is sticklers for rules when they want to be. According to rule, should have replayed the down.

[Marv's Neighbor]

18 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

They should be deeply graded after every performance and paid based on grade. I guarantee it would improve. 

Are they unionized?  If so, fugitabout it!

[Bermuda Triangle]

20 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

They should be deeply graded after every performance and paid based on grade. I guarantee it would improve. 

Refs should be subject to post-game press conferences, with replay available, to explain calls and non-calls.

[SCBills]

24 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

In a game where we were historically dominant, so nothing they could do even if they were so inclined. I don't trust the zebras in an even match up, but can't do anything about it. If we avoid turnovers, I think we win.

Just look at the two close playoff games…

 

Dallas loses on a ball spotting issue with the ref.   Dallas’s fault, but refs implicated.  
 

Raiders lose by a TD.  What happened in that game?.. Refs blew a play dead and then gave the Bengals the TD.  
 

Worse is the non-highlighted issues.  Hold calls on one team that erase a big play and then a non-call on another team that allows a big play.   We don’t talk about those nationally as much, but that’s when refs dictate games… see TB Diggs, non-holding. 

Hopefully if it’s a close game, we finally get the refs swinging it our way.   
 

Or… just blow them out.  
 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by SCBills

[Matt_In_NH]

I understand the inadvertent whistle rule but I am curious about other opinion about that play. 

 

1.  Do you think it impacted the play?  I did not, the ball was nearly in the WR's hands when I heard the whistle.  I am aware this is not open to interpretation and the call should have been replay.

2.  If this were Diggs in the endzone against KC next week and the same play happens, they call inadvertent whistle and replay the down, resulting in an INT and Bills lose by 3.  Would you feel they got screwed or would you feel the "refs did their job"?

 

For me, the refs were damned if they do and damned if they dont, I think they knew it blew midplay and thought it had no impact and then "convinced" themselves it was after the catch.....and not reviewable.  

[Dr. Who]

Just now, mattynh said:

I understand the inadvertent whistle rule but I am curious about other opinion about that play. 

 

1.  Do you think it impacted the play?  I did not, the ball was nearly in the WR's hands when I heard the whistle.  I am aware this is not open to interpretation and the call should have been replay.

2.  If this were Diggs in the endzone against KC next week and the same play happens, they call inadvertent whistle and replay the down, resulting in an INT and Bills lose by 3.  Would you feel they got screwed or would you feel the "refs did their job"?

 

For me, the refs were damned if they do and damned if they dont, I think they knew it blew midplay and thought it had no impact and then "convinced" themselves it was after the catch.....and not reviewable.  

Plausible and if second scenario, I am livid. Inadvertent whistle suddenly becomes a new way to take away a good play, etc.

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, mattynh said:

I understand the inadvertent whistle rule but I am curious about other opinion about that play. 

 

1.  Do you think it impacted the play?  I did not, the ball was nearly in the WR's hands when I heard the whistle.  I am aware this is not open to interpretation and the call should have been replay.

2.  If this were Diggs in the endzone against KC next week and the same play happens, they call inadvertent whistle and replay the down, resulting in an INT and Bills lose by 3.  Would you feel they got screwed or would you feel the "refs did their job"?

 

For me, the refs were damned if they do and damned if they dont, I think they knew it blew midplay and thought it had no impact and then "convinced" themselves it was after the catch.....and not reviewable.  

I want to say no, it didn’t affect the play, but the Raiders DB clearly gave up on the play before the ball was in the WR’s hands.  
 

I can’t say it definitively did not affect it. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

When in doubt...."Just give it to 'em..."

 

[Rampage]

The refs for the most part are failures but what’s worse is the league office fails as well even with the control room. Then you have them putting out a statement built on a lie and three days later everyone forgets it.

 

The system is so broken but there’s too much money and it’s too popular for anyone to actually do anything about it.

[LittleSammy]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

nice idea but WTR $

 

these guys do this “part time” and somehow I don’t think 💰 has much to do about it

 

They are graded just to make it in the postseason 

 

Any grading system that determines Jerome Boger is one of the best qualified to officiate a playoff game needs a major overhaul!

[mikemac2001]

On SiriusXM radio 

 

they were talking about a coaching grading system along with the NFL HQ grading system and integrate the best crews not just the single officials 

 

makes no sense to have random people together in the most important games

[BuffaloBill]

48 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Just look at the two close playoff games…

 

Dallas loses on a ball spotting issue with the ref.   Dallas’s fault, but refs implicated.  
 

Raiders lose by a TD.  What happened in that game?.. Refs blew a play dead and then gave the Bengals the TD.  
 

Worse is the non-highlighted issues.  Hold calls on one team that erase a big play and then a non-call on another team that allows a big play.   We don’t talk about those nationally as much, but that’s when refs dictate games… see TB Diggs, non-holding. 

Hopefully if it’s a close game, we finally get the refs swinging it our way.   
 

Or… just blow them out.  
 

 

 

 

I disagree with your thought that Dallas lost because of the refs.  Dallas ran a risky, if not stupid draw, with almost no time left. Dak did not hand the ball to the ref. These were the conditions that lost the game for Dallas at the end … not the refs.

[What a Tuel]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

I hope we don't get the crew that worked the SF/Dal game.  I felt like they injected themselves into the game too much.  I don't want to notice the referees.   i prefer when the refs call the egregious stuff, but leave the ticky tack crap alone for BOTH sides.

 

Eh last AFCCG the chiefs won because they held our wrs practically every play, and threw Allen off. Refs need to make those calls this time.

Edited January 17, 2022 by What a Tuel

[Chicharito]

I’m a firm believer that the nfl influences games with officiating. With that being said the bills will be getting calls in a favorable direction. All due to the nfl finally getting what they want from buffalo and building a new stadium. This league is driven by money! 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I disagree with your thought that Dallas lost because of the refs.  Dallas ran a risky, if not stupid draw, with almost no time left. Dak did not hand the ball to the ref. These were the conditions that lost the game for Dallas at the end … not the refs.

I didn’t say they lost because of that.   Just that it involved the refs.  Get in close games and you become vulnerable to them…. Ref is far from the play, doesn’t get to the ball in time, game over.   100% Dallas’s fault.. but they became dependent on someone other than themselves in a close game. 
 

That happens quite frequently in close NFL games.  Usually in a more non-ridiculous fashion than Dallas running a psychotic play with 14 seconds left.  

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

In a game where we were historically dominant, so nothing they could do even if they were so inclined. I don't trust the zebras in an even match up, but can't do anything about it. If we avoid turnovers, I think we win.

They allowed that catch (which clearly touched the ground) right before the Pat's FG.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I disagree with your thought that Dallas lost because of the refs.  Dallas ran a risky, if not stupid draw, with almost no time left. Dak did not hand the ball to the ref. These were the conditions that lost the game for Dallas at the end … not the refs.

That and they play an uninspiring, undisciplined game and have many overrated players. Oh and did I mention that even if the ball was spotted they still needed a TD from the 25!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, ganesh said:

They allowed that catch (which clearly touched the ground) right before the Pat's FG.

(brushes dust off hackneyed phrase)

"In light of your comment, the league has awarded an additional conditional draft pick to the New England Patriots."

(returns phrase to shelf, but at the front)

[T master]

As long as the human element is involved it will be very hard to get rid of the errant bad call and in this instance it was a bad call but IMHO once the ball left the QB's hand it was to late how can you stop a play after the point of no return ?

 

If the ball was still in the QB's hand okay but after its gone oh well that needs to be the adjustment made to that rule what if that was a fan in the crowd which it wouldn't surprise me given some of those parents out there that are refs for their kids so we really don't know .

 

But if they tweaked the rule there would be no fowl even if it was some fan playing their own game or a errant whistle like the one in that game .

[Tulsabillsfanz]

I coached several years of my son’s football & basketball games. I never was a ref. I did however learn to be friendly with refs and I almost always felt I got a fair deal. Of course, I always figured elementary and middle school refs are about as good as elementary and middle school players! That keeps your perspective as a coach! 
 

With NFL refs, my take is they know they are being watched on every play by millions of people, dozens of cameras & almost every call is instantly reviewable.  They also know they are being watched by their spouses, kids, friends, etc. No one wants to screw up in front of everybody they know & love.  I usually get upset at ref calls multiple times every game, but I keep myself from fixating on them because of my previous points. 

[PonyBoy]

2 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

When in doubt...."Just give it to 'em..."

 

 

That game could be argued as the ushering in of New England becoming so hated by everyone. The audio of that ref saying that was bone chilling, whether you like the Bills or not. That was wrong on so many levels. 🤬

[frostbitmic]

Boger and crew have always been bad. Not only should they not get another post season game, they shouldn't even get a regular season game.

[Joe Mama]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

 

Dallas loses on a ball spotting issue with the ref.   Dallas’s fault, but refs implicated.  
 

Raiders lose by a TD.  What happened in that game?.. Refs blew a play dead and then gave the Bengals the TD.  
 

 

 

From what I saw on a sky cam replay, that ref tried very hard to get to the ball and set it for the next play. He ran hard and could not get by some very large people. I think it was a dumbass play call by Dallas.

 

Don't think whistle had an effect on the TD; a worse call would have been to call the play over due to the whistle.

 

 

[Big Turk]

The only thing I pray is we don't get the same crew from last year that let the Chiefs commit defensive holding and illegal contact on virtually every pass play and dare the refs to call it. And they didn't.

Edited January 17, 2022 by Big Turk

[BADOLBILZ]

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I didn’t say they lost because of that.   Just that it involved the refs.  Get in close games and you become vulnerable to them…. Ref is far from the play, doesn’t get to the ball in time, game over.   100% Dallas’s fault.. but they became dependent on someone other than themselves in a close game. 
 

That happens quite frequently in close NFL games.  Usually in a more non-ridiculous fashion than Dallas running a psychotic play with 14 seconds left.  

 

 

You do realize that the ref has to spot the ball on every play, right?    So, obviously they are dependent on someone else every play...........not just after they do something stupid.

 

This is very on-brand for you though. 

[Trogdor]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

nice idea but WTR $

 

these guys do this “part time” and somehow I don’t think 💰 has much to do about it

 

They are graded just to make it in the postseason 

 

Part time for over $200k a season lol

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I disagree with your thought that Dallas lost because of the refs.  Dallas ran a risky, if not stupid draw, with almost no time left. Dak did not hand the ball to the ref. These were the conditions that lost the game for Dallas at the end … not the refs.

Dallas lost because they made one more stupid mistake than SF did. 
 

😆 

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Dallas lost because they made one more stupid mistake than SF did. 
 

😆

Hard to assess how the refs did in that game because both teams were just completely ***** awful.

[Utah John]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

I hope we don't get the crew that worked the SF/Dal game.  I felt like they injected themselves into the game too much.  I don't want to notice the referees.   i prefer when the refs call the egregious stuff, but leave the ticky tack crap alone for BOTH sides.

I disagree about the Dallas -- SF game's refs.  There were a lot of calls but I thought all or nearly all were correct, and I didn't see any fouls that weren't called.  Dallas is just a sloppy team.  The timing issue at the end of the game was handled about as well as possible, I thought.  It was Dak's stupidity to keep running the extra few yards, wasting a second or two that Dallas couldn't afford to lose.

56 minutes ago, Joe Mama said:

Don't think whistle had an effect on the TD; a worse call would have been to call the play over due to the whistle.

 

 

As unfair as it would have been to the Bengals, it would have been the RIGHT call to do the play over, according to the rules.

[frostbitmic]

At the end of the Dallas game they essentially gave Dallas 8 more seconds as it was. They took 4 seconds off the play clock and added 4 seconds to the game clock.

 

It was bordering on a stupid play call and Dak should've gone down 10 yards shorter than he did.