dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. 17 14 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. That’s gonna be tough to top…you’ve set the bar high lol I don’t think cordy has even played in years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. Tyrod Taylor for a 3rd. But that is basically Glenn for a high 2nd round pick, low 1st. Tough to beat indeed. Edited January 11, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Tyrod Taylor for a 3rd. Oh yea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Tyrod Taylor for a 3rd. But that is basically Glenn for a high 2nd round pick, low 1st. Tough to beat indeed. Not bad for second place…we still could’ve used Tyrod though as peterman was absolute dogsh*t and it led to us forcing our rookie qb into action on a terrible roster earlier than planned. I feel like cordy was completely expendable when we traded him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Sheppard for Hughes. Oh wait, wrong era…but that is still the most lopsided trade (particularly in retrospect) I’ve ever seen…and for once it went in our favor. Tough to beat the Cordy Glenn move. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. dumb question, but remind me why this led to us getting Allen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Trading for Kelvin Benjamin? It certainly wasn’t overrated! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Trading up for Tremaine Edmunds? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) Who gets credit for Poyer? Hyde was a great signing but he was a known quantity. They signed on the same day. Poyer was an afterthought for some. I watched a lot of OSU football due to my in-laws and was always impressed with the kid. Now he’s him. Yes, i realize Beane was hired 2 months after Poyer was signed. But what a great signing. 4 years 13M Edited January 11, 2022 by NewEra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I’ll go with a topical one. How about NOT giving Shaq Lawson or Jordan Phillips huge deals after they had good seasons for the Bills? Shaq got a huge contract, then did nothing. Same with Phillips. Beane saw that coming when a lot of posters on this site were calling for his head for not re-signing those two. 10 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Drafting Bass. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Not bad for second place…we still could’ve used Tyrod though as peterman was absolute dogsh*t and it led to us forcing our rookie qb into action on a terrible roster earlier than planned. I feel like cordy was completely expendable when we traded him. True but that pick was used as ammo to move up and get Edmunds after already securing Josh, so the long term gains outweigh the short term pains 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Just now, JimKellyTryouts said: True but that pick was used as ammo to move up and get Edmunds after already securing Josh, so the long term gains outweigh the short term pains Alright you sold me on it 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Trading up for Tremaine Edmunds? oh my. an invite for a lot of flack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. I agree, you don't really ever hear this spoken about much. I will add one more to it that involves this as well...Beane trading up to get Allen while possesing 2 first round picks and not having to give up the 2nd first rounder. I never imagined we would get up to 7 in that draft and still have a 2nd first round pick still that year. Honorable mention: Same draft year...getting the first pick in the 3rd round for Tyrod Taylor from Cleveland. Blew my mind someone gave us such a premium pick for a guy everyone knew we were likely going to cut. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: dumb question, but remind me why this led to us getting Allen? It put us in position to move from 12 to 7. Wouldn't have been able to move from 22 to 7 without mortgaging multiple future 1st rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 tell ya what. he better do a lot of dealing to keep ANY departing Players from going to NE**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: oh my. an invite for a lot of flack I wish I could visit the alternate universe where we have someone other than edmunds starting at mlb in mcdermotts scheme lol it’s a darned near impossible position to play…he asks so much of his linebackers so that he has more options to disguise coverages with dbs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Lee Smith to ATL for a 7th round pick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: tell ya what. he better do a lot of dealing to keep ANY departing Players from going to NE**** There’s probably going to be a lot of offensive changes next season whether Daboll stays or not so I’m not sure how much of an issue that will be…of course that hinges on us being able to draft a few guys that can actually run block lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: dumb question, but remind me why this led to us getting Allen? https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/6/18/22533745/looking-back-at-the-trades-that-landed-josh-allen-for-the-buffalo-bills-notes-nfl-draft To summarize the link above, the Bills basically started out with the 21st (our pick) and the 22nd (KC pick from the trade back in 2016) picks in the 2017 draft. Beane traded the 22nd pick and Cordy Glenn for the 12th pick (swap of late rounders as well). Then on draft day, Bean traded the 12th, 53rd, and 56th picks to Tampa for the 7th and 255th picks, landing Josh Allen at #7 overall. Here's what happened to Cincy's side of the trade as well...yikes: "Meanwhile, the Bengals drafted Ohio State center Billy Price with the 21st overall pick. This trade ended up being a major mistake for Cincinnati. Price started 19 of 42 games in his first three years, had lost his starting job entirely by 2020, and had his fifth-year option declined by the team this offseason. Glenn played in 19 games over the next two seasons, ran into arguments with the coaching staff, and was released after 2019." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. It was a curious trade from Cinci's perspective, that is for sure. But they still had plenty of ammo to get Allen. And there was a degree of luck involved in that subsequently horrible 2018 OL not getting the rookie QB killed. Allen might be the biggest play maker in the NFL.............the assets they saved(and then some) turned into maybe the guy who leads the league in "plays below expectation" in Tremaine Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Trading Sammy and Darby for picks and chaff. That was the point where I figured he was either a serious man committed to a plan or just plain stupid. Super gutsy. Honorable mention: the mid-season trade of Darius, same reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I’ll go with a topical one. How about NOT giving Shaq Lawson or Jordan Phillips huge deals after they had good seasons for the Bills? Shaq got a huge contract, then did nothing. Same with Phillips. Beane saw that coming when a lot of posters on this site were calling for his head for not re-signing those two. Another nice example to go with the Cordy Glenn fleecing. I'll give honorable mention to the Mario Addison acquisition. Not a world-beater, but consistently better than a lot of people want to acknowledge, a stable vet presence and consummate professional, and he just had a very solid season. As the signing/player has been smack-talked a fair amount by the fans, I guess you could call it an underrated move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I wish I could visit the alternate universe where we have someone other than edmunds starting at mlb in mcdermotts scheme lol it’s a darned near impossible position to play…he asks so much of his linebackers so that he has more options to disguise coverages with dbs and people seem to forget HE’S still a KID!!! and he is the QB of the Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. Great point. Is there any explanation what was reasoning on Bengals part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Ryan Bates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 At the time, or after the fact? At the time, it would have to be "the wrong Josh." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, mbs said: Trading Sammy and Darby for picks and chaff. That was the point where I figured he was either a serious man committed to a plan or just plain stupid. Super gutsy. Honorable mention: the mid-season trade of Darius, same reason. Funny looking back on that…all the armchair GMs in the media said we were tanking and we ended up making the playoffs lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Great point. Is there any explanation what was reasoning on Bengals part? My recollection was that they basically regarded themselves as a playoff caliber team with major o-line needs. They went to the playoffs every year from 2011-2015 and went 12-4 in 2015. They hovered around at just below .500 in 2016 and 2017 and attributed much of the decline to o-line failings. They were desperate. Edited January 11, 2022 by dave mcbride 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Funny looking back on that…all the armchair GMs in the media said we were tanking and we ended up making the playoffs lol Man, I remember the exact moment I heard about that trade. I was flabbergasted. I had no idea at the time. The man knows what he's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: It was a curious trade from Cinci's perspective, that is for sure. But they still had plenty of ammo to get Allen. And there was a degree of luck involved in that subsequently horrible 2018 OL not getting the rookie QB killed. Allen might be the biggest play maker in the NFL.............the assets they saved(and then some) turned into maybe the guy who leads the league in "plays below expectation" in Tremaine Edmunds. Both Miami and AZ would have taken Allen. Gase LOVED Allen and thought he was generational player (he was right about that). AZ loved him too but had to settle for Rosen. Without that 12th pick, the Bills wouldn't have had the high-end ammo. Edited January 11, 2022 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Yeah, trading an on-his-last-legs Glenn for a mid-2nd round pick was great. Followed closely by getting a 3rd for Tyrod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. Not sure if I'd call it underrated, but was a great trade to position themselves as best as possible since they were going QB. I'm just glad they went Allen instead "wrong Josh" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: dumb question, but remind me why this led to us getting Allen? Did you watch Tyrod in the playoff game against the Jags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I gotta go with flipping Cordy Glenn and the #22 pick for Cincy's #12 pick before the 2018 draft. That was highway robbery and the single most important reason they were able to get Allen. I was actually standing on a railway platform the other day and for some reason thinking about absolutely this. I liked Cordy Glenn, at his peak in Buffalo he was a top 10 left tackle, but he was coming off a season where he had hardly played, with a known about long term health condition and Beane got basically 2nd round value for him in that move up. Crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Signing Matt Haack. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 Just now, GunnerBill said: I was actually standing on a railway platform the other day and for some reason thinking about absolutely this. I liked Cordy Glenn, at his peak in Buffalo he was a top 10 left tackle, but he was coming off a season where he had hardly played, with a known about long term health condition and Beane got basically 2nd round value for him in that move up. Crazy. I'd simply add moving up 10 in the first round to the top half is way more valuable in a rich QB draft than a straight-up second round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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