Saturday Night Football: Colts vs Pats thread

[Matt_In_NH]

The genius always takes away the best player on the other team.   In this case Jonathan Taylor.  Man that guy is so smart

[P Riv]

The Colts played about as good as they can on Defense, that was their ceiling.  Run game was popping and Wentz looked like he pretty much always has.

NE made a lot of mistakes, which I don't expect a repeat unless the Bills can bring the same level of intensity as Indy did.  Tough game coming.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

The Pats looked helmed by a rookie. He looked confused, perplexed, and lost. We can beat the Pats. We can blow out the pats.

 

The Colts are the real threat. Taylor is amazing. But Wentz is just a guy. We can beat the Colts too if we score points and not turn the ball over. 

Both team are really good.  Jones finished well after a bad start. 

[Big Turk]

10 hours ago, Nitro said:

Not really they both were playing the ball

 

He had a right to play the ball.  He didn't have a right to make contact with the receiver prior to the ball getting there.  People need to understand the rules better..."playing the ball" or "looking for the ball" doesn't give you free reign to just do whatever you want.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Big Turk

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

why, that doesn't make any sense if you're a Bills fan

It just 💯 depends what matters more to you as a bills fan, not to mention how much confidence you have in them beating the patriots next week.  Making the playoff or winning the division.  
 

i had read somewhere (no clue if it’s correct) that if we go 3-1, we’d have an 87% chance of making the playoffs.  If that really is the case, then I’m glad the colts won.  We still actually have a chance to win the division and still have a great chance to make the playoffs even if the pats (or someone else) beat us. 

8 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Just out of curiosity, explain? A special kind of pats win?

[Awwufelloff]

So if we win out we win division is that right?

[Herc11]

47 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

He lead with his helmet! Not a shoulder a helmet. It also wasn’t a crappy thrown ball it was in his belly.. 

He wasn't even tryin to lay a hit. He was going for the int. So how in the hell did he lead with his head?? You've got you're homer glasses on.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, BTB said:

What a joke.  The NFL is fixing it so the Pats and the Bucs are in the SB. I am so outraged.  I need to donate money to someone to show them what team has the best fanbase. 
 

Say what?  The Pats lost? Well…then never mind.  I will save the above for next Sunday night. 

Haha fair point but if they beat us again that theory is back on 😂 I will say the pats don’t seem to get any help like the bucs do 

[RichRiderBills]

Just on ESPN Bills win today 81% chance to make playoffs.

Edited December 19, 2021 by RichRiderBills

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

Just on ESPN Bills win today 81% chance to make playoffs.

If we win out, we have a 100% chance to make the playoffs.

So failing to make the playoffs is on no one but us!

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

Of course they are ripping us on ESPN right now and basically giving no positives.

[UKBillFan]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

why, that doesn't make any sense if you're a Bills fan

 

From a play offs point of view, having the Colts with one less win would have made me feel more secure about our chances. Maybe 'happier' was the wrong word to use though!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

Of course they are ripping us on ESPN right now and basically giving no positives.

They are really hanging onto that colts loss we had huh lol the colts have steamrolled a bunch of teams.  Outside of that we lost every single close game that could’ve gone either way and got hosed against the bucs

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

From a play offs point of view, having the Colts with one less win would have made me feel more secure about our chances. Maybe 'happier' was the wrong word to use though!

Yea assuming we beat the pats a colts win last night was great but that’s a big assumption 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Ball security was about it.  18 fumbles (15 lost) in 41 games

I kept reading about the “the mileage on his tires”. The fumbling was curable(Tiki Barber)

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I kept reading about the “the mileage on his tires”. The fumbling was curable(Tiki Barber)

Yeah, lots of mileage too, plus fumbles.  Some said he was too north south and didn’t have enough east west and would only be effective in certain systems.  This are probably the reasons he wasn’t the 1st taken. 
 

now, let’s be honest though……if he wasn’t in Indy, he wouldn’t be doing this.  He’s a great back, I agree, but that OL is making him a super star

[Ghost_002!]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Could be a one game thing for them but they looked just about the furthest thing from the dominant team the talking heads have been trying to sell us on.  Also they left the door to the division wide open since we have the division tiebreaker and we play them again. That loss was objectively huge for them 

 

Who cares what the media makes them out to be...you still have to go in there and beat them. And the Bills don't do what the Colts do. 

 

Not saying the Bills can't win. 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Solomon Grundy]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, lots of mileage too, plus fumbles.  Some said he was too north south and didn’t have enough east west and would only be effective in certain systems.  This are probably the reasons he wasn’t the 1st taken. 
 

now, let’s be honest though……if he wasn’t in Indy, he wouldn’t be doing this.  He’s a great back, I agree, but that OL is making him a super star

I don’t know Era. Imagine him in KC, GB, Chargers, Seattle. Somewhere with a good QB. He’s doing this in Indy where no one is scared of their QB. This is the equivalent of Tennessee except Tannehill can show up occasionally. 

[prissythecat]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Seriously. Only thing funnier is watching how many suddenly aren’t a fan after a loss. They might be the most entitled and fickle fan base in all sports. 

If the Bills play the Colts again I hope it’s either in Indy or a day with no precipitation in Buffalo. Wentz isn’t better than Rivers and I think the Bills can beat Indy. 

The Colts beat the Bills soundly the last time and weather wasn’t a factor .  What’s changed in Bills or Colts lineup that makes one believe that the Bills best Indy in a re match ?

[Joe Ferguson]

 

[Success]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

He lead with his helmet! Not a shoulder a helmet. It also wasn’t a crappy thrown ball it was in his belly.. 

 

It was a good no call.  He wasn't leading w/ his helmet - he was going for the ball.

 

You wouldn't have made it as a Bills fan the past 20 years.

 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don’t know Era. Imagine him in KC, GB, Chargers, Seattle. Somewhere with a good QB. He’s doing this in Indy where no one is scared of their QB. This is the equivalent of Tennessee except Tannehill can show up occasionally. 

They have the best Run blocking OL in the league.  I don’t think he’s be any better anywhere else tbh. But that’s just my opinion. I think running behind the best guard and and C tandem in the league suits him perfectly.  Nelson, imo, will likely go down as the best guard ever next to Larry Allen 

[Success]

11 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

The Colts beat the Bills soundly the last time and weather wasn’t a factor .  What’s changed in Bills or Colts lineup that makes one believe that the Bills best Indy in a re match ?

 

All the poster said was that they think the Bills can win. 

 

Of course they can.  Every game is different. The Colts can run - the Bills can pass.  If the Bills take the early lead next time, it might change the entire complexion of the game & strategy.

 

The Colts aren't a jaugernaut.  It would be a fairly even match-up overall.

 

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

The Colts beat the Bills soundly the last time and weather wasn’t a factor .  What’s changed in Bills or Colts lineup that makes one believe that the Bills best Indy in a re match ?

We would have our starting MLB and DT playing, presumably.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think running behind the best guard and and C tandem in the league suits him perfectly.

 

They didn't have their starting center yesterday and he still went off. Having a great o-line helps but great RBs rise above the run blocking. I've seen our RBs miss opportunities that Taylor never misses. We need to upgrade the position next year.

[Nitro]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

He had a right to play the ball.  He didn't have a right to make contact with the receiver prior to the ball getting there.  People need to understand the rules better..."playing the ball" or "looking for the ball" doesn't give you free reign to just do whatever you want.

I know the rule.  I disagree with your assessment.  

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They didn't have their starting center yesterday and he still went off. Having a great o-line helps but great RBs rise above the run blocking. I've seen our RBs miss opportunities that Taylor never misses. We need to upgrade the position next year.

Absolutely. I don’t think you need a great RB though. It would be nice. A great OL helps everyone 

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They didn't have their starting center yesterday and he still went off. Having a great o-line helps but great RBs rise above the run blocking. I've seen our RBs miss opportunities that Taylor never misses. We need to upgrade the position next year.

I don’t disagree……

[JoshAllin]

44 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They didn't have their starting center yesterday and he still went off. Having a great o-line helps but great RBs rise above the run blocking. I've seen our RBs miss opportunities that Taylor never misses. We need to upgrade the position next year.

That's just the confidence of being behind a great Oline for so long. I'd imagine his confidence would be shot and ruined after a season here

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

He had a right to play the ball.  He didn't have a right to make contact with the receiver prior to the ball getting there.  People need to understand the rules better..."playing the ball" or "looking for the ball" doesn't give you free reign to just do whatever you want.

 

"playing the ball" is an important part of the rule. You are correct that it doesn't give the defender carte blanche to do whatever they want, but there are only a few specific things that would still be considered to be interference if the defender is playing the ball. The Colts defender was playing the ball, did not grab arms, did not extend arm across the body of opponent, did not play through his back, no push off, and no hooking.  

 

ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to: (a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch; (b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball; (c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass; (d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball; (e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball; (f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or (g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation. Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference

 

ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to: (a) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference. (b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball. (c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players, except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense. (d) Laying a hand on an opponent that does not restrict him in an attempt to make a play on the ball. (e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.

 

I'd say the no-call last night was proper enforcement of the rules. 

 

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Few things are funnier than when a pats* fan complains about officiating.  

Lol my original post said the Colts won fair and square.. I just can’t figure out how they missed such a dangerous hit.. (it hurt both players…) The Colts played hard last night like it was the playoffs for them.. they hit hard and we’re just the better team last night.. that said the hit I am talking about needs be eliminated from the game. 

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

It was a good no call.  He wasn't leading w/ his helmet - he was going for the ball.

 

You wouldn't have made it as a Bills fan the past 20 years.

 

Going for the ball? Sorry you can not go THREW the receiver to get the ball that’s PI and a textbook call at that. Per the rule helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver (or one unable to defend himself) is a personal foul.. it doesn’t say “unless you think he is going for the ball” that’s irrelevant. Mind you success if that happened to a Buffalo player you be screaming for top of a mountain it was dirty. 

[Meatloaf63]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

He lead with his helmet! Not a shoulder a helmet. It also wasn’t a crappy thrown ball it was in his belly.. 

the receivers helmet hit the side of the defenders helmet and caused his concussion , it was a hospital pass that never should have been throw that late he put the receiver in danger.

[prissythecat]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

We would have our starting MLB and DT playing, presumably.

Edmunds is very poor against the run.  And Star is average .   Not really a material difference having them against a run heavy team ?

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

Absolutely. I don’t think you need a great RB though. It would be nice. A great OL helps everyone 

I saw possessions today Singletary had that would've been explosive runs if it were Taylor, Cook, McCaffrey

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I saw possessions today Singletary had that would've been explosive runs if it were Taylor, Cook, McCaffrey

Yeah those guys don’t grow on trees, are often injured, and can be expensive.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Yeah those guys don’t grow on trees, are often injured, and can be expensive.

Not on rookie contracts

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Not on rookie contracts

Of the dudes you posted, only Taylor is on a rookie deal.

[strive_for_five_guy]

On 12/18/2021 at 11:53 PM, Jeffbigalls said:

Wrong you got punched in the mouth, you lost with a QB not even throwing the balls that's getting your lunch money stolen by the bully, now I am 0-14 lifetime in the 14 times I've ever bet a bills moneyline, we will find out if I'll be 1-14 or 0-15 last time I was took these bills on the ML was against Indy. Hopefully I can end my drought. 

Well, did you end your Bills ML drought yesterday?

[BADOLBILZ]

On 12/19/2021 at 11:49 AM, HappyDays said:

 

They didn't have their starting center yesterday and he still went off. Having a great o-line helps but great RBs rise above the run blocking. I've seen our RBs miss opportunities that Taylor never misses. We need to upgrade the position next year.

 

 

You might get a few extra yards here and there but make no mistake........there is no more dependent position on the field than RB.

 

Barry Sanders once had 13 carries for 0 yards in a playoff game.

 

Derrick Henry last two playoff games(both losses):

 

18 for 40 yards

19 for 69 yards (and -8 receiving yards)

 

Having a star RB in today's game takes the ball out of the most impactful player's hands too often.   

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

On 12/18/2021 at 9:16 PM, White Linen said:

 

100%.  We had no business winning that game and you know it.  Reich with Allen would put us in elite territory. 

Do you still say this?

[White Linen]

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Do you still say this?

 

Absolutely.   Reich's issue is Wentz.  He's a fantastic game planner and play caller.

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Do you still say this?

 

How do you think Daboll would do with Wentz?