Marquez Stevenson designated IR-Return

[SMAKCruiser]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Both at home due to weather.  Another reason for a dome  

That’s without the stupid holding penalty against the Titans when he returned it for what should’ve been go ahead td.

Everyone makes it sound like we'll be 17-0 every year if we have a dome.   

[CSBill]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

That’s without the stupid holding penalty against the Titans when he returned it for what should’ve been go ahead td.

 

Yeah, that play gets forgotten, but I would suggest it more than any other changed the trajectory of this season. A holding call 30 yards away from the play (and it was holding), stupid, stupid, stupid. What seems like little things at the time can make a big difference in the long view. Ugh!

[billsherd]

He could still never play this season. Starting practice doesn't mean much at this point.

[BarleyNY]

16 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

 

McKenzie is top 5 in league in KO return yards.  Be careful what you wish for.  Just saying.

He returns a lot so his total return yards is high, but his average of 24.9 yds is nothing special.  And as @SMAKCruiser pointed out, his two major mistakes outweigh that anyway. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

Everyone makes it sound like we'll be 17-0 every year if we have a dome.   

If you think that “everyone makes it sound like we’ll be 17-0 if we have a dome”……than you should clearly work on your reading comprehension skills.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

20 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

The way I see it is McKenzie can not field a kick return again for this team if you are serious about sending a message.

 

No he's not the sole reason this team lost against the colts but his mistake killed any chance they had to get back in the game. Also McDermott spoke about him multilple times in interviews with the media saying 'he knows he can't turn the ball over'. So it's empty words to let this guy keep playing and the time is now to send a message and make a change if you are coaching staff serious about holding your poor performing team accountable.

 

And for those that say it could get worse with a rookie, sure he can do the same thing and fumble but that's about it. Best case he actually protects the ball, runs a kick back and gets worked into the offense the rest of the season.

 

Either way it's time to end the McKenzie experiement for good in Buffalo and if Daboll is gone after this season I'm sure it's a given that McKenzie is also long gone from this team.

That is just stupid coach speak. Everyone knows no player can turn the ball over. 

Singletary fumbled and wasn't touched and Breida and Allen both fumbled the ball away.

Do people really want to trust a rookie coming off IR to field punts and return kick offs??? Not this late in the season. 

Besides who do you sit? Unlilely they would sit Beasley or McKenzie. Moss? Breida? Jones? Kumerow is already not dressing. 

[SMAKCruiser]

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If you think that “everyone makes it sound like we’ll be 17-0 if we have a dome”……than you should clearly work on your reading comprehension skills.  

Go read through the forums and read all the crap plays, poor performances people blame on the weather...  I am obviously exaggerating when I saw "everyone".   

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said:

Go read through the forums and read all the crap plays, poor performances people blame on the weather...  I am obviously exaggerating when I saw "everyone".   

Been here a long time.  Been reading a long time, thanks.  “Everyone” isn’t the only thing that you exaggerated.  More so 17-0.  
 

Bad weather increases the level of difficulty for the pass game.  Our team is more pass dependent than any team in the league.  Let’s not act like this isn’t the case.  

[SMAKCruiser]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Been here a long time.  Been reading a long time, thanks.  “Everyone” isn’t the only thing that you exaggerated.  More so 17-0.  
 

Bad weather increases the level of difficulty for the pass game.  Our team is more pass dependent than any team in the league.  Let’s not act like this isn’t the case.  

And then when the dome is finally built, we will have morphed into a power running team 😊

[Straight Hucklebuck]

22 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Either way I doubt he is available for Thursday. If I remember right from last year Bills really take advantage of that 3 week roster exemption and practice time. 

maybe finally put Beasley on IR to really heal. He obviously isn’t right. Or just take Kumerow’s spot as he is offering NADA. 

I agree with you on Beasley. 
 

It’s been spotty in terms of targets anyways. 
 

 

[NewEra]

50 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said:

And then when the dome is finally built, we will have morphed into a power running team 😊

That would be very Billsy 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

Everyone makes it sound like we'll be 17-0 every year if we have a dome.   

Nah.  Still road games outside. 16-1, 15-2.  Something like that.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

Everyone makes it sound like we'll be 17-0 every year if we have a dome.   

Nobody is saying that. A dome doesn't guarantee you anything but you can't ignore the fact that this team and QB play poorly in bad weather. It seems like it's always windy in Buffalo. This team is not built like the 90's team that welcomed snow. Would it be so horrible to kick in some extra money and build a retractable roof. On a nice calm sunny day open the damn roof. Give Josh that little edge. I know the diehards love their wool caps and snow days but times are different. This is currently a passing league. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

18 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Both at home due to weather.  Another reason for a dome  

That’s without the stupid holding penalty against the Titans when he returned it for what should’ve been go ahead td.

 

Though the way the Bills defense played that game was worried that with the TD that early 2:00 left, Tenn would have enough time to still score, like the Bills almost did at the end.

[YoloinOhio]

9 hours ago, billsherd said:

He could still never play this season. Starting practice doesn't mean much at this point.

He did travel to the game

 

Would be cool if he got in the game. Homecoming for him and Tre Day

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 11/23/2021 at 12:33 PM, FilthyBeast said:

The way I see it is McKenzie can not field a kick return again for this team if you are serious about sending a message.

 

What message would this be?  "Make a mistake and you'll be slung into outer space without hope of redemption"?

 

Yeah, that's not the kind of message McDermott wants to be sending.

 

 

13 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

He returns a lot so his total return yards is high, but his average of 24.9 yds is nothing special.

 

It's currently #6 in the league.  There's also the point that he's had a lot of return yards cancelled by penalties.

 

 

 

[Putin]

On 11/23/2021 at 12:02 PM, SMAKCruiser said:

That too   Am I the only one really nervous when McKenzie returns kicks/punts?  I felt this way long before the Colts fumble.

If McKenzie didn’t have that issue he’d probably still be a Bronco 

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, Putin said:

If McKenzie didn’t have that issue he’d probably still be a Bronco 

He's for the most part been pretty good.

[Just in Atlanta]

Isaiah McKenzie has one fumble in three years of punt returns. 
 

Just a fact for overreacting fans who want to throw him to the wolves.

 

 

On 11/23/2021 at 1:33 PM, FilthyBeast said:

The way I see it is McKenzie can not field a kick return again for this team if you are serious about sending a message.

 

No he's not the sole reason this team lost against the colts but his mistake killed any chance they had to get back in the game. Also McDermott spoke about him multilple times in interviews with the media saying 'he knows he can't turn the ball over'. So it's empty words to let this guy keep playing and the time is now to send a message and make a change if you are coaching staff serious about holding your poor performing team accountable.

 

And for those that say it could get worse with a rookie, sure he can do the same thing and fumble but that's about it. Best case he actually protects the ball, runs a kick back and gets worked into the offense the rest of the season.

 

Either way it's time to end the McKenzie experiement for good in Buffalo and if Daboll is gone after this season I'm sure it's a given that McKenzie is also long gone from this team.

That’s a terrible message.

 

Fumble the ball once and never play again?

 

And he’s not only the sole reason we lost he’s one of a hundred.

[Matt_In_NH]

After watching Hard Knocks (and his fumbles), I am think Mckenzie's time returning kicks and punts may be coming to an end.   I like him on offense though, I bet Kumerow gets the axe.

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What message would this be?  "Make a mistake and you'll be slung into outer space without hope of redemption"?

 

Yeah, that's not the kind of message McDermott wants to be sending.

 

 

 

It's currently #6 in the league.  There's also the point that he's had a lot of return yards cancelled by penalties.

 

 

 

I would think that removing a player from a given role for repeated, costly mistakes would be looked at as holding that player accountable for his poor play.  I am not sure that this situation is quite to that point, but I’d think it would at least be close.

 

Saying that McKenzie is 6th in the NFL is misleading.  Of the 19 kickoff returners who qualified with enough returns to be counted, he is sixth.  Link   But he would drop on that list if you included everyone.  Also if you look at team KOR stats, 24.9 yards would rank pretty well, but it is still only 3 yards better than the average team’s KOR.  That isn’t worth the turnovers. 

[Hebert19]

22 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

That is just stupid coach speak. Everyone knows no player can turn the ball over. 

Singletary fumbled and wasn't touched and Breida and Allen both fumbled the ball away.

Do people really want to trust a rookie coming off IR to field punts and return kick offs??? Not this late in the season. 

Besides who do you sit? Unlilely they would sit Beasley or McKenzie. Moss? Breida? Jones? Kumerow is already not dressing. 

Moss will sit if he plays. 

[Mr. WEO]

On 11/23/2021 at 1:33 PM, FilthyBeast said:

The way I see it is McKenzie can not field a kick return again for this team if you are serious about sending a message.

 

No he's not the sole reason this team lost against the colts but his mistake killed any chance they had to get back in the game. Also McDermott spoke about him multilple times in interviews with the media saying 'he knows he can't turn the ball over'. So it's empty words to let this guy keep playing and the time is now to send a message and make a change if you are coaching staff serious about holding your poor performing team accountable.

 

And for those that say it could get worse with a rookie, sure he can do the same thing and fumble but that's about it. Best case he actually protects the ball, runs a kick back and gets worked into the offense the rest of the season.

 

Either way it's time to end the McKenzie experiement for good in Buffalo and if Daboll is gone after this season I'm sure it's a given that McKenzie is also long gone from this team.

 

They had the whole 2nd half of football to do that....

 

 

stop.

[Maynard]

I really hope we get to see him today. 

[Bangarang]

People should probably temper their expectations for this kid. 

[Einstein]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What message would this be?  "Make a mistake and you'll be slung into outer space without hope of redemption"?

 

Yeah, that's not the kind of message McDermott wants to be sending.

 

 

It would be sending the message that poor play will not be tolerated.

 

Some talk as if Sunday was Mckenzie’s first mistake. It’s not. He routinely muffs punt/kick returns. He usually gets it back, and it’s not counted as a fumble because statisticians don’t consider muffs to be fumbles as the player did not securely gain possession, but it happens much too often.

 

I realize that it’s a faux pas on this forum, but sending a stern message is one thing we could stand to learn from Belichick. His dog house is real, and he keeps players in there for a lengthy period of time.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Some talk as if Sunday was Mckenzie’s first mistake. It’s not. He routinely muffs punt/kick returns. He usually gets it back, and it’s not counted as a fumble because statisticians don’t consider muffs to be fumbles as the player did not securely gain possession, but it happens much too often.

 

Do tell.  In which games has he done this and when?

[Einstein]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do tell.  In which games has he done this and when?

 

Going into the 2021 season, Mckenzie had 4 muffs in 38 career NFL punt return attempts (that’s over 10% of all punt returns ending in a muff) and 8 fumbles in 124 career NFL touches. He also had 12 fumbles in college - once every 14.4 touches. Credit to Joe Marino.

 

As for this year… 

 

- 4 days ago against the Colts (i’m sure you remember)

- Two weeks ago against the Dolphins (link)

- Week 3 of the pre-season (link)

- He also had a couple bad decisions where he fielded the ball within the 10 yard line and the offense got pinned deep.

 

This isn’t new. He has a propensity to do this.

 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Einstein

[balln]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Going into the 2021 season, Mckenzie had 4 muffs in 38 career NFL punt return attempts (that’s over 10% of all punt returns ending in a muff) and 8 fumbles in 124 career NFL touches. He also had 12 fumbles in college - once every 14.4 touches. Credit to Joe Marino.

 

As for this year… 

 

- 4 days ago against the Colts (i’m sure you remember)

- Two weeks ago against the Dolphins (link)

- Week 3 of the pre-season (link)

- He also had a couple bad decisions where he fielded the ball within the 10 yard line and the offense got pinned deep.

 

This isn’t new. He has a propensity to do this.

 

Boom

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Rico]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Excellent news, especially on Ankou & Bryant, let's see what they've got.

[JGMcD2]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Saying that McKenzie is 6th in the NFL is misleading.  Of the 19 kickoff returners who qualified with enough returns to be counted, he is sixth.  Link   But he would drop on that list if you included everyone.  Also if you look at team KOR stats, 24.9 yards would rank pretty well, but it is still only 3 yards better than the average team’s KOR.  That isn’t worth the turnovers. 

I mean it’s not misleading at all… there’s a reason for having statistical minimums to qualify as a league leader. You did a great job of pointing out exactly why it’s NOT misleading. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Einstein]

Odd.

 

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Odd.

 

 

Out for the season seems a little harsh.  He still can contribute on Jet sweeps and ***** that Daboll removed that worked.

[97bills]

On 11/24/2021 at 10:21 AM, SMAKCruiser said:

And then when the dome is finally built, we will have morphed into a power running team 😊

But think what Allen could do with a power run game, no more 7 or 8 in coverage

[StHustle]

6 hours ago, Bangarang said:

People should probably temper their expectations for this kid. 

 

Why when he's gonna have over 100 yards his first game??