When does McD go on the hot seat?

[colin]

I dunno about all this Pederson talk and what not, but I do know Frank Reich is a much better head coach than mcd.  His team doesn't fall apart at the first sign of adversity, and he is plugging in qbs and safeties and ol and putting his team in a position to win.

 

Our team is just like the teams MCD was dc on before he got here.  Over all good solid teams, but front runners who don't take some push back well 

[McBean]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

As much as I hate to contribute to the over-reactionary, dramatic posts made after a loss, I feel this at least needs to be discussed.

 

First, I HATE the idea of changing coaches again. Good organizations do not do this. They simply make the adjustments where needed, and keep the ship sailing. So I do not suggest this lightly.

 

That said, while McD has been EXACTLY what the Bills needed as a culture-changing rebuilder, I am not sure he is the type of cut-throat destroyer needed to take our talent to the next level, keep the team playing tough, and lead us to the promise land for a Championship.

 

Reid, Arians, Belichick, Carroll... None of these guys are exactly "kumbaya culture" guys.

 

I dont know what else it will take to get this group pissed off and fired up to win. We are soft and finesse-y on both sides of the ball...

 

And this isnt even getting into how woefully unprepared we have been for most games this season, and how poor our players are at even the basics (tackling, catching, protecting the ball, etc).

 

Dude needs to show us something, fast.

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, McBean said:

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

That's a little harsh lol.

 

Did Marvin Lewis even win a playoff game as a head coach?

 

And he was there for what , 15-16 years?

 

 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, McBean said:

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

 

One of the worst comparisons I've ever seen on this board.

[McBean]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's a little harsh lol.

 

Did Marvin Lewis even win a playoff game as a head coach?

 

And he was there for what , 15-16 years?

 

 

What I mean by that is Marvin was safe forever no matter what. Like McDermott is here. 

Just now, Simon said:

 

One of the worst comparisons I've ever seen on this board.

Why?

 

Lewis was safe no matter what for 15 years. You mean to tell me you think his best friend Brandon Beane who happens to be our GM is going to fire him? GTFO

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

He's under contract through 2025 so unless we'd like to pay yet another coach for the privilege to not coach for us, he's not going anywhere. 

Do you know how many people Pegula has paid to not work for him?

 

One thing Pegula has taught us, for sure, is that lengthy K term means nothing with him.

 

If he decides its time for you to go, you're gone.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

13 minutes ago, colin said:

I dunno about all this Pederson talk and what not, but I do know Frank Reich is a much better head coach than mcd.  His team doesn't fall apart at the first sign of adversity, and he is plugging in qbs and safeties and ol and putting his team in a position to win.

 

Our team is just like the teams MCD was dc on before he got here.  Over all good solid teams, but front runners who don't take some push back well 

McD will have huge support at this forum for as long as he is the coach, simply because he is the coach.

 

A HC in the NFL has many diverse job descriptions.  In game decision making type stuff was never a strong point for McDermott, and he's actually improved somewhat at it over time.

 

What concerns me lately is that the other stuff that he has been very good at has turned bad.

 

I'm talking pregame preparation, leadership, determination, execution, playing penalty-free ball, and stuff like that.

 

He was never a great X and O tactician to begin with; if the other stuff is going to start to slide as well....

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, McBean said:

What I mean by that is Marvin was safe forever no matter what. Like McDermott is here. 

 

Maybe.

But he also deserves to be safe now and he has earned that right.

 

He completely changed the culture of this franchise and just went to the AFCCG last year.

 

If he craps the bed and the bills miss the playoffs this year and next, then it's time to revisit if he should be safe or not IMO

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, McBean said:

What I mean by that is Marvin was safe forever no matter what. Like McDermott is here. 

Why?

 

Lewis was safe no matter what for 15 years. You mean to tell me you think his best friend Brandon Beane who happens to be our GM is going to fire him? GTFO

They are not remotely similar people.

They are not remotely similar coaches.

The teams they built are polar opposites

Their career arcs bear no resemblance to one another

They have zero in common.

 

[SinceThe70s]

22 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's a little harsh lol.

 

Did Marvin Lewis even win a playoff game as a head coach?

 

And he was there for what , 15-16 years?

 

 

 

Nice call out.

[Boatdrinks]

I’d venture it won’t be while he has a winning record. The team has 1 more loss than they did after 10 games a season ago. I think a McD hot seat situation is a long way off.

[zow2]

McDermott is on my hot seat list. He should be. They were out coached and out schemed today badly.  That’s on him. He’s a nice guy, maybe too nice. This team needs to be whipped into a tougher squad. They are weak. 

[BADOLBILZ]

35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Most teams must be dealing with this - so (serious question) what would be the difference that other teams are dealing well, and the Bills might (as you hypothesize) be letting it divide them?

 

 

I’m not persuaded that’s the problem, though it’s an interesting hypothesis.  

 

I think that McDermott and Frazier really don’t have an effective defensive plan for a team with a punishing physical runner behind a top OL AND a QB who can make all the throws, especially when they’re missing 2 starters.  And I think Daboll doesn’t have an effective offensive plan for a run game that works with 3 backups playing on an already “Meh” OL.  I think the players go into the game not really believing in the plan and Allen goes into the game feeling like it’s all on him.

 

I’ll have to go listen to the presser I suppose, but saying he “supported their decisions” vs. expressing concern for their health makes it sound as though they’re not particularly ill and sounds like an aberration coming from McDermott, who is usually so centered around “people first”

 

 

The difference may be that the Bills reportedly have one of the lowest vax rates in the league.    If only 60-70% are vaxxed.........that's a lot of unvaccinated players.

 

And what we are seeing is a Bills team that does not play disciplined, complementary football.    

 

The game today turned,  IMO,  on a ridiculously selfish play by Mario Addison where he decided to fake that he was pushed into Carson Wentz so he could take a pointless cheap shot at him.  

 

Instead of the Bills receiving a punt down by 7 points after just scoring a TD on the prior drive...........the defense stays on the field and then makes several more assignment mistakes(including another big mistake by Addison).......and gives up a score........and then McKenzie carelessly forgets to protect the ball on his return and in a flash the score reaches a point where the crowd is now out of the game and the Colts will never have to abandon the run while the Bills are in chase mode on offense.   McDermott made sure to to mention the Addison play.......and clarify that he wasn't talking about the "call" by the ref.......but the play by Addison.

 

As for the notion that they need a better game plan versus rushing teams..........run defense is not about scheme........it's about technique and want-to.    Two things they have been quick to lose.....along with composure........when punched in the mouth.    A lack of heart, focus on assignments and then a lot of bad personal decisions aren't what we expect from a team supposedly bonded together by the loving team environment supposedly created by the process.

 

And then there is Josh Allen...........he's not playing complementary football.........he's trying to take games into his own hands because,  IMO,  he doesn't trust his teammates.

 

[KeLLy1278]

2 hours ago, BattlinBill said:

Ummm...he has made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years after two decades of hopelessness. How about we pump the brakes a bit.

You are absolutely right about that but have you seen this team play as of late?  They’re lost!  Two penalties on one play, a penalty every few minutes, a quarterback who doesn’t know how to reel himself in, an OL that takes plays off and apparently the defense does the same now.  Then you listen to Sean after the game and he says the team needs to have a winning mentality.  So I guess Sean hasn’t managed to get the message across just yet.🙄.  It’s just wearing thin at this point.  This team has a lot of talent but loses games to Jacksonville and then get’s absolutely embarrassed at home mind you.. to WORLD BEATERS named the Colts.  

Sean needs to get his damn act together now.  Period.   Having a debacle of a performance will trigger that and it’s well deserved.  This fan base is pissed off and they should be because we deserve better!

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The difference may be that the Bills reportedly have one of the lowest vax rates in the league.    If only 60-70% are vaxxed.........that's a lot of unvaccinated players.

 

And what we are seeing is a Bills team that does not play disciplined, complementary football.    

 

The game today turned,  IMO,  on a ridiculously selfish play by Mario Addison where he decided to fake that he was pushed into Carson Wentz so he could take a pointless cheap shot at him.  

 

Instead of the Bills receiving a punt down by 7 points after just scoring a TD on the prior drive...........the defense stays on the field and then makes several more assignment mistakes(including another big mistake by Addison).......and gives up a score........and then McKenzie carelessly forgets to protect the ball on his return and in a flash the score reaches a point where the crowd is now out of the game and the Colts will never have to abandon the run while the Bills are in chase mode on offense.   McDermott made sure to to mention the Addison play.......and clarify that he wasn't talking about the "call" by the ref.......but the play by Addison.

 

As for the notion that they need a better game plan versus rushing teams..........run defense is not about scheme........it's about technique and want-to.    Two things they have been quick to lose.....along with composure........when punched in the mouth.    A lack of heart, focus on assignments and then a lot of bad personal decisions aren't what we expect from a team supposedly bonded together by the loving team environment supposedly created by the process.

 

And then there is Josh Allen...........he's not playing complementary football.........he's trying to take games into his own hands because,  IMO,  he doesn't trust his teammates.

 

I agree with all of this, save fir the part about Addison costing us a first down.  We had a PI on Klein that was declined on the same play.  
 

Still, the points are well taken.  It’s hard enough to win in this league.  Then, probably a third of our team is not protected from an easily preventable reason to miss multiple games.   I know McD takes COVID seriously — his was the only family masked on a flight to Orlando after last season and before COVID hit.  And yet he WR3 blabs all over social media about freedom this and constitution that, LT1 darn near died and is probably still not back to good after his bout with COVID, PR1 treated it like a joke until he got his wake up call, LG1 felt the same way, and then got vaxxed, but not until he lost 20 pounds without telling his bosses, LG2 had his own COVID bout, RG2 is forced into action and is playing like a space cadet, RT1 inconveniently misses two games after his dust up with COVID, 1 tech DT 1 did the same thing, RB1 is beyond casual with the ball, the OC refuses to feed Diggs, and franchise QB1 is under constant duress.  It is a freaking mess right now. 

[Billsflyer12]

What can we fairly hold McD responsible for today?  Overall?

[george c]

Such overreaction. LOL.

Guys we’re out, and there is no running game. O line has regressed.

Want to fault someone, fault Beane for not addressing a glaring need for a running back 

[Beast]

The earliest he would be on the hot seat is the end of next season.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Beast

[SoCal Deek]

McD is in way over his head. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Unfortunately in the NFL you get punched in the face a lot! McD has zero answers.

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, george c said:

Such overreaction. LOL.

Guys we’re out, and there is no running game. O line has regressed.

Want to fault someone, fault Beane for not addressing a glaring need for a running back 

If I’m Beane, I’d tell McDermott to fire your OC.  I draft the best Guard in the League and can’t use him in your offense.  It’s not the personnel.  It’s the offensive philosophy.  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I agree with all of this, save fir the part about Addison costing us a first down.  We had a PI on Klein that was declined on the same play.  
 

Still, the points are well taken.  It’s hard enough to win in this league.  Then, probably a third of our team is not protected from an easily preventable reason to miss multiple games.   I know McD takes COVID seriously — his was the only family masked on a flight to Orlando after last season and before COVID hit.  And yet he WR3 blabs all over social media about freedom this and constitution that, LT1 darn near died and is probably still not back to good after his bout with COVID, PR1 treated it like a joke until he got his wake up call, LG1 felt the same way, and then got vaxxed, but not until he lost 20 pounds without telling his bosses, LG2 had his own COVID bout, RG2 is forced into action and is playing like a space cadet, RT1 inconveniently misses two games after his dust up with COVID, 1 tech DT 1 did the same thing, RB1 is beyond casual with the ball, the OC refuses to feed Diggs, and franchise QB1 is under constant duress.  It is a freaking mess right now. 

 

The reason McD mentioned the Addison call was because that's a no-brain-stupid gotdamn play.    PI is often a random call.   

 

But yeah.........this team is not playing "process" football..........and there has been a lot of chaos caused by decisions not to be vaxxed.

[zow2]

I’d rather have our guy, Frank Reich.  

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… def seems like something is up in the locker room… felt that way after the loss to Jax a couple weeks ago.

What’s up in the locker room? An utter lack of week to week focus is what’s up. They don’t look at all ready to play and haven’t on quite a few occasions. This was evident in the Opener. Their opponents have been less talented but if ANY of them show up to play, the Bills immediately wilt. 

[BillsFan130]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD is in way over his head. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Unfortunately in the NFL you get punched in the face a lot! McD has zero answers.

He's been rough lately no doubt.

 

But he usually finds a way to rally the team.

 

Remember in 2017 when they got pumped 3 games in a row? Somehow he found a way to rally the team and break the playoff drought.

 

Definitely looking bleak after today, but I never count out a MCD coached team.

 

 

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What’s up in the locker room? An utter lack of week to week focus is what’s up. They don’t look at all ready to play and haven’t on quite a few occasions. This was evident in the Opener. Their opponents have been less talented but if ANY of them show up to play, the Bills immediately wilt. 

I completely agree with this.  I don’t know WTF is going on, but my

comment today leaving that fiasco was that we are not sharp.  Save for Cody Ford, there has been no consequence for poor, unfocused play.  19 should be the first example of that this week.  26 should have felt it a long time ago.   94 apparently is a problem in that respect, too.  Enough is enough. 

[Richard Noggin]

I hated the title of this thread, but I found it difficult to disagree with the OP's criticism of this team's fundamental flaws. They aren't executing the basics. And I guess that falls on the coach. 

 

Of course, McD gets more time to sort it out. I think coaching changes would need to start on the offensive side of the ball, if anything.

[SectionC3]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What’s up in the locker room? An utter lack of week to week focus is what’s up. They don’t look at all ready to play and haven’t on quite a few occasions. This was evident in the Opener. Their opponents have been less talented but if ANY of them show up to play, the Bills immediately wilt. 

Without getting into details I think they took the opener way too lightly.   Coaching staff on down.  Taking the day off that Thursday was a bad idea, as was screwing around the Friday before that game.  

[Best Williams Available]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

.my take is that McDermott is Pissed.  The pretty clear implication is that they’re not vaccinated and he’s not a a happy camper about losing them for potentially avoidable reasons.

So this will be a pretty big test for him as HC if true. 2 guys that are being selfish and un-process-like, but that are also indispensable to your team for wins.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The difference may be that the Bills reportedly have one of the lowest vax rates in the league.    If only 60-70% are vaxxed.........that's a lot of unvaccinated players.

 

That could be a point if true, but Beane said it was 91%.  McDermott said it was “in the single digits”.  Math says largest single digit being 9, 53 reg + 16 ps players =69 so minimum vax rate consistent with “single digits” is 87%.  91% would be 6.

 

Of course, that doesn’t rule out your hypothesis - depending upon who those 6 (91%) players are and how they behave, but is the difference between 6 and 3 or 4 significant?  I dunno

 

It did seem clear to me that McDermott was pissed off in his presser when he said “Respect their decisions, I’m going to talk about the guys who played”

 

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

And what we are seeing is a Bills team that does not play disciplined, complementary football.    

 

The game today turned,  IMO,  on a ridiculously selfish play by Mario Addison where he decided to fake that he was pushed into Carson Wentz so he could take a pointless cheap shot at him.  

 

Nothing to disagree about there!

 

 

[nedboy7]

9 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

I think the OP could be right.

 

If a team goes from Super Bowl favorites to potentially missing the playoffs (with an expanded 7 teams).... doesn't that at least put the coach on the hot seat?

yeah I think it’s time  to rebuild.  These comments are insane. Every year there are 31 coaches who couldn’t win the SB. Get a grip. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

34 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I’d rather have our guy, Frank Reich.  

Depending how the colts finish this year, if they miss the playoffs I truly think he’ll be fired. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

So this will be a pretty big test for him as HC if true. 2 guys that are being selfish and un-process-like, but that are also indispensable to your team for wins.

 

It will hopefully be a moot point shortly.  Once they come back, they aren’t subject to daily testing for the next 90 days. 

[nedboy7]

43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD is in way over his head. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Unfortunately in the NFL you get punched in the face a lot! McD has zero answers.

 

Dude went to the AFC title game last year.  Ha? 

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Depending how the colts finish this year, if they miss the playoffs I truly think he’ll be fired. 

 

maybe McD will be available and we can switch coaches.  This thread is pure garbage. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I think maybe the  Covid issue is a valid point that could be lingering in the locker room. If it’s single digit like some have figured out  we have a number of prominent players in those digits..

We probably have a portion who believe in the vax. I think Hughes was pretty outspoken about the importance of it. 

We know Dion had it and we think by all accounts his play has suffered. 

 

Then I wonder how many maybe not wanted to get the vax but did it for the better good of the team.

 

Then you probably have those players  who see it as doing it for the better good for the team or believe in it look at other teams who are close to 100 percent vaccinated. That would be pretty frustrating as a competitor. 

 

It’s got to be frustrating that we are in playoff hunt mode Star is missing when we need him most. Spencer clearly brings something to the line and we don’t seemingly have anything worth a damn behind these two guys. I thought we needed to prove we could win despite them but im not so sure. 

 

Maybe this is reading way too much into this, I don’t know but I bring up this quote from way earlier in the year. How many of us really thought we might slow down Taylor today  without Star?

 

 

It’s very frustrating,” said McDermott. “There’s people’s livelihoods at stake, in terms of people’s jobs, and their performance is judged off wins and losses, or how well a person does X or Y, and some of that is dependent on other members of the team. That’s why this is a team game, and being able to count on people is important.

“If this were a real week [in the regular season], having the players out that we’ve had, that makes it hard to win games that way.”

 

I think we will be looking for a replacement for Star and This is Beasleys last year given his age and stance. 
 

Spencer is important but I agree with others who recognized how outspoken he was on Instagram. I noticed it as well.  He has dialed it back a bit. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[Mr. K]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Losing mentality. The options should not be McDermott or something bad like we had before.

 

McDermott should NOT be judged on what happened before him. He should be judged against the best in the league right now. The "just good enough" and "at least it's not as bad as it used to be" attitude in the fan base in Buffalo is pathetic.

I'm not saying they are good enough. They need to improve. The line problems could've been addressed at the trade deadline if they felt there was a serious enough. The defense was missing 2 solid players in Star and Tremaine. Spencer Brown missing off the line hurts too. Josh had 1 really bad pick but other than that seemed( off the first watch) to have enough time to deal today. I dont want a run dominant team but if you only move the ball 1 way teams can sell out to stop it. McDermott usually has them ready to play. Thats been proven up until the last few loses. When I compare McDermott to past coaches it might be a little bit of the billsy mindset of the past but what it really comes down to is we've got a coach that for the most part has only been beneficial since hiring. 

[BillsFan130]

16 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Depending how the colts finish this year, if they miss the playoffs I truly think he’ll be fired. 

Reich?

 

I can't see him getting fired even if they finish let's say 9-8 and miss the playoffs.

[gordong]

Seriously....   Jesus man just stop....  he could lose the rest of the games this year and he not on the hot seat NOR should he.

   maybe we should trade Josh, and diggs....  replace Beane while we are at it...    

[Mike in Horseheads]

@DrDawkinstein... your a better poster than this I hope it was shitfaced posting.

[RyanC883]

MCD is Marvin Lewis.   And this team is headed toward being the Marvin Lewis Bengals.  Talented, but nothing special.  Will beat up inferior teams and perhaps put a surprise upset or two, but make no impact in the playoffs, etc.  I hope this is not the case, but this is certainly the teams trajectory. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by RyanC883

[KeLLy1278]

2 hours ago, McBean said:

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

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