Pats are 4-4 with a rookie QB and almost top 10 defense

[Fan in Chicago]

4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Wonder if the Bucs thought the same thing.🤔

Hence the "any given Thursday" part of my message

[Eastport bills]

Pats are as good as any team in the AFC with the exception of Buffalo and Baltimore. They will be a tough out in the playoffs and shouldn't be underestimated. Their coaching and defense are top 5 in the NFL and Damien Harris is great. If they get a deep threat at the deadline, look out.

[BassToMouth]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Win over the Chargers on the road was impressive. They look like a WC team at this point. I didn't think much of Jones at the time of the draft but he is completing 68% of his passes. And he has over 7 yards per attempt so even if most of the passes are short they are moving the ball.

Defense is just outside of top 10. 

Should be good games this year to see how McD challenges the rookie and what our offense can do against their defense.

 

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

[BRH]

Two wins against the Jets, one against the Texans, and one against the paper tiger Chargers that got blown out a week ago.

 

Yeah.

 

I'm worried.  🙄

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, BRH said:

Two wins against the Jets, one against the Texans, and one against the paper tiger Chargers that got blown out a week ago.

 

Yeah.

 

I'm worried.  🙄

 

You can say the same thing about the Bills with the only win of note so far is against a simliar paper tiger team in the Chiefs is currently under .500

 

Beating 4 other teams with no more than 2 wins each is nothing to brag about and we've lost to both teams we've played this year with a record above .500

 

I'm not saying we should fear the Patriots but they appear to be on the ascent right now and barely lost to the Cowboys, Bucs and Dolphins and all those games were decided in the final minutes.

[Mat68]

They are an average football.  They got smoke and mirrors to cover up there flaws.  They are a few bounces of the football from being 7 and 10 to 9 and 8.   Not good enough to win anything but a tough out. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's a team that we should still beat.  They aren't pushovers and I think they'll be a team that's in the hunt all year.  I think it'll take to the last week of the season to get in.

 

 

I am not saying this is going to happen, Royale, but it is kind of funny to me thinking that the Chiefs and the Pats could be battling for the last playoff spot.

 

If I am picking right now I am obviously still thinking Bills, Baltimore, Titans, Raiders (for now) with the division titles and Chargers and honestly still the Bengals as they are generally playing good ball at 5 and 6.

 

7?

 

Pats, Chiefs, Steelers or Browns, if they comeback or right the ship?  

 

Get your nachos* ready.

 

 

 

* Popcorn?  Popcorn for football...really?  I don't think so. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[Scott7975]

49 minutes ago, BassToMouth said:

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

 

Will you acknowledge it later when it doesn't happen?

[WideNine]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's a team that we should still beat.  They aren't pushovers and I think they'll be a team that's in the hunt all year.  I think it'll take to the last week of the season to get in.

 

Agree.

 

They have beat up on the Jets twice and the Texans.

 

Herbert got another taste of what playing a Belichick defense is like and he did not handle that well before. Last year they thumped Justin and the Chargers 45 to 0.

 

There is nothing defensively that Bill is going to lean on that Allen has not seen 2x a year and their RB and QB do not scare me.

 

They do have some key players back that were out last year, but we have Star back in the middle too.

 

Will feature a lot of TE as Bill knows we often struggle covering TEs, but have done a better job this year than last.

 

You never know, and it could be a dog fight, but just does not have the same intimidation effect as the Brady years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by WideNine

[JoshAllin]

I really doubt it but after this week the jets and pats could look like a split in games

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, BassToMouth said:

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

 

I'm not laughing because the Bills are far from a lock to get to the SB despite what a lot of fans on this board and elsewhere think.

 

The AFC is wide open and if the Pats can go on the road and beat a QB like Herbert they can certainly do it to the Bills/Ravens/etc especially in the playoffs where Belichink knows a thing or two about winning post season games.

[John from Riverside]

Their rook has actually been efficient And BB knows how to take away what you do well on Offense we should care

 

[NIKOBUFF]

8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Win over the Chargers on the road was impressive. They look like a WC team at this point. I didn't think much of Jones at the time of the draft but he is completing 68% of his passes. And he has over 7 yards per attempt so even if most of the passes are short they are moving the ball.

Defense is just outside of top 10. 

Should be good games this year to see how McD challenges the rookie and what our offense can do against their defense.

 

I know they beat the chargers but im still to be convinced. they played 3 teams that are in top 12 offence. DAL, NE and LAC and they gave up an avg of 452 yards per game. and one of those games was in horrible downpour weather.  They also gave up 380 yards to HOU .

 

NE playing from behind is no the same team either. Their D and run gam can stiffle opponents by chewing on clock and taking over T.O.P. if they have to play from behind they abandon the run and become less effective. unless they play against the texans. Will be intersting to see them v CLE CAR ATL TEN IND and BUFFx 2.  if they could win 4 of those 7 games..  then  JAX and miami to close out the season should guarantee them a WC.

Edited November 1, 2021 by NIKOBUFF

[BassToMouth]

29 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Will you acknowledge it later when it doesn't happen?

Definitely!

[FilthyBeast]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Their rook has actually been efficient And BB knows how to take away what you do well on Offense we should care

 

 

A lot of people don't realize that when Brady and the Pats won their first 3 SB's in the early 2000's, it was defense and ST carrying the load with Brady being a glorified game manager who had clutch plays when needed.

 

Obviously Brady evolved in a major way in the following years especially when they actually added real talent around him like Moss, Gronk, etc and nobody is disputing he's the GOAT. But at the end of the day there is not a ton different with what Mac Jones is doing right now and as his confidence grows and he starts connecting on some big time throws who knows what to expect.

 

It's not even out of the realm of possibility that the Pats win all their upcoming games on the schedule before playing the Bills in a huge MNF matchup in a month. Going further outside of the 2 games against the Bills, the only remotely challenging games they have left are against the Browns/Titans/Colts so they are certainly primed for a run.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Their rook has actually been efficient And BB knows how to take away what you do well on Offense we should care

 

 

Usually right there with ya John, but he was 18 of 35 with a QBR of 52.8.

 

I guess he didn't turn the ball over and that was efficient.

 

They had a rushing TD, a bunch of field goals, and a pick 6.

 

I thought Miami was going to play us tough. I expect Bill's defense will show up too, and Josh hates those 2-deep zones and I expect we will see more of that from Bill than we have seen before.

 

 

 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 hours ago, golfball323 said:

Whoever thought the Pats were going to lay down and die because 5 of their starts opted out last year and returned this year wasn't paying attention. 

 

If we don't start playing full 60 minute games, our matchuhps with the Pats will be tough contests. 

Definitely accurate…they’re a solid team that could could give us trouble. I will say though I was beating the drum on the ‘all their best players didn’t play this season’ last year and I thought they’d be a bit more successful this season with just average qb play. Still pretty early in the year though so who knows 

 

the notion that rookies will continue to improve the more playing time they get is not really an accurate one though as teams start to pick up on their tendencies. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they got hot or struggled down the stretch at this point 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I'm not laughing because the Bills are far from a lock to get to the SB despite what a lot of fans on this board and elsewhere think.

 

The AFC is wide open and if the Pats can go on the road and beat a QB like Herbert they can certainly do it to the Bills/Ravens/etc especially in the playoffs where Belichink knows a thing or two about winning post season games.

Oh yeah.  Patriots are super bowl contenders for sure 🤣

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, BassToMouth said:

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

Confident are you?

 

bet $5k 

 

show us the “parlay” 

and we’ll see you in 4 months 

[JMF2006]

The kid is a game manager not a game breaker like JA17.

 

Old Billy ain't stupid he realized Wham Bam Thankyou Cam cost them games last year.

 

All he needs Mac to do is follow the script and they should be close in most games.

 

Cam couldn't follow the script that's why he got gassed.

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Did someone say that NE has a upper half D???

 

21st in yds allowed total 

16th in yds allowed passing 

21st in yds allowed rushing 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

As much as I hate the Pats (still hate the Jets more for reasons not fully understood) I have to say they’ve done a heck of a job bringing along Mac Jones. Expect them to be a handful for us in at least one game this year against them if not both.

 

I’m actually thrilled though with the prospect of the Pats maybe stealing the 7th seed away from the Chiefs and making the Chiefs miss the playoffs entirely. 

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, BassToMouth said:

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

Incorrect.  100% of us will laugh at you now and we'll laugh at you again later when the Pats don't make the playoffs or are handed an early exit.

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

NE D

21st in yds allowed total 

16th in yds allowed passing 

21st in yds allowed rushing 

 

 

This fan base is still mentally crippled by 20 years of futility

 

Not playing them until December adds to it

[Rigotz]

I love Mac Jones. I think he's the perfect QB to take a team to 8-9 or 9-8 purgatory.

He will never win you a Super Bowl, but he'll be good enough to make sure you don't have a good pick to get a new QB.

 

Say it with me.

I. Love. Mac. Jones.

[billsherd]

They are definitely not as bad as Miami. It should be a good contest in NE. In Buffalo, Bills will take care of them easily.

[streetkings01]

Pats are 4-4 with wins against Jets x2, Texans and an inconsistent Chargers team. I think the Bills vs Pats Monday Night will get hyped up by the media and we crush them in primetime.

 

Teams in the NFL that are solid on both sides of the ball will give the Patriots problems since they don’t score a ton of points and they dont consistently stop teams from moving the football.

Edited November 2, 2021 by streetkings01

[Rick 'r Mortis]

5 hours ago, BassToMouth said:

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

You're still spewing this BS? 

 

Do yourself a favour and STFU.

[unbillievable]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Mike White is the new Tom Brady 

 

I was thinking more like Kurt Warner.

[Jrb1979]

10 hours ago, Klaus said:

 

Agreed, when 50% of your wins are against the Jets it is hard to take the 4 wins as a sign of anything. 

 

 

Same can be said for the Bills too. Wins against Miami twice, Houston Washington aren't impressive either. 

[streetkings01]

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Same can be said for the Bills too. Wins against Miami twice, Houston Washington aren't impressive either. 

Bills are +120 while the Pats are +42 with a 41 point win over the Jets. Pats are a keep the game close and steal a game at the end type of team. 

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, T master said:

 

If the Bills play to their potential then it should be a given but they aren't right noe we can only hope that they are playing their best ball closer to the end of the year i would rather it be like that the come out like the Steelers did last year and then fall off at the end .

 

Hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and get this offense humming going down the home stretch !! 

Why are we believing that we are playing below our potential?  I mean we are playing another NFL team that has players on the field.  On each day,  the better team wins; sometimes those wins happen due to fluke plays - but that is part of the deal.  

 

The Bills are what they are ;  an excellent team with its own flaws....which will limit the team no matter what if the other teams exploit it.   

 

The Dolphins stopped the run and dared Allen to throw against the two best CB in the league...Allen played smart and went to the 3rd option;  However, he was limited to now  1/4th of his options (2 WRs blanketed and 1 RB stuffed;  leaving either his TE or Slot receiver on 1-on-1 matchup).  I don't think you can do better than what Josh Allen did on Sunday.   Enjoy the ride...The Bills are playing great.

[BassToMouth]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Confident are you?

 

bet $5k 

 

show us the “parlay” 

and we’ll see you in 4 months 

I can’t wait to be wrong. Obviously I want the Bills. I just believe the NFL is without question scripted to an extent, in order to be as entertaining as Goodell wants it and also for betting purposes.

 

You all complain about the refs every damn game. I simply don’t buy the ‘refs suck’ reasoning. It makes zero sense and the NFL would have to be intentionally keeping the refs at this low of a level, especially with all the heat they get on a weekly basis. That’s why you see the same refs in the same big games. Hochuli’s son is a ref? Yeah, every little boy’s dream—I want to be in the NFL pops! As a ref! (Said no child ever). 
 

All I’m saying is, if this occurs as I said, I’d love for Twobillsdrive to have an open discussion about the many, many pieces of evidence that the NFL is scripted/steered/rigged. I mean, look up the spy gate Supreme Court case and ruling. Look at the license the NFL has—it’s not a sporting one.

 

When this hopefully doesn’t occur however, I won’t utter any conspiracy nonsense again. 
 

I’m putting between $500-1000 after next week. 

[unbillievable]

What if the NFL was like professional wrestling and all 2,000 players are in on it?

 

[nedboy7]

I thought these games were settled as wins for the Bills in those lets guess every game for the season threads.

[Motor26]

25 minutes ago, BassToMouth said:

I can’t wait to be wrong. Obviously I want the Bills. I just believe the NFL is without question scripted to an extent, in order to be as entertaining as Goodell wants it and also for betting purposes.

 

You all complain about the refs every damn game. I simply don’t buy the ‘refs suck’ reasoning. It makes zero sense and the NFL would have to be intentionally keeping the refs at this low of a level, especially with all the heat they get on a weekly basis. That’s why you see the same refs in the same big games. Hochuli’s son is a ref? Yeah, every little boy’s dream—I want to be in the NFL pops! As a ref! (Said no child ever). 
 

All I’m saying is, if this occurs as I said, I’d love for Twobillsdrive to have an open discussion about the many, many pieces of evidence that the NFL is scripted/steered/rigged. I mean, look up the spy gate Supreme Court case and ruling. Look at the license the NFL has—it’s not a sporting one.

 

When this hopefully doesn’t occur however, I won’t utter any conspiracy nonsense again. 
 

I’m putting between $500-1000 after next week. 

You’re one of those flat earthers aren’t you?

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, BassToMouth said:

They’re unfortunately going to the Super Bowl aided by Goodell’s flunkies (refs). Bucs-Pats, Jones/Belichek-Brady 2.0

 

Do yourself a solid and put $100 on Pats in the super bowl. 
 

When this occurs, I hope this board can finally have a frank, open discussion about NFL scripting and point shaving.

 

90% of you will laugh at me now, but will you acknowledge this later?

 

Yeah, no.

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Hmm, disagree. A game manager like that can go pretty far in this league under the right coaching and game planning.

And cheating… you forgot that. Belichick is a proven cheater. If the Pats finish with 10 wins or more I’m calling for a senate inquiry. Ha

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

52 minutes ago, BassToMouth said:

I can’t wait to be wrong. Obviously I want the Bills. I just believe the NFL is without question scripted to an extent, in order to be as entertaining as Goodell wants it and also for betting purposes.

 

 

OMG

 

keep digging the hole deeper 

 

[djp14150]

2 wins against the Jets

2-4 in  the others… 5 were decide by one score.

 

TB and DAL were home games which matters.