Real McClappy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Titans scored points on 6 straight drives to win the game. It's really that simple in my mind, the unit has to do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 They sell out to stop Henry which opens open play action. That douche 17 is good on those intermediate throws too, and owned us on 3rd down. Still.....Bills are the better team, and should have won. Allen sneak was the call to make. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) Clearly for the Bills D, Henry was a gigantic factor. Beside his long run, he was good but held in check fairly well. Yet, Tannehill's TD run, and soooo many intermediate passes were because the D was focusing on Henry. In the 1st quarter, there was a few plays with Klein there along Milano and Edmunds, yet it stopped soon after. IDK why. It stopped the run. But yeah, those short passes are what KOed the Bills, and most of these came off playactions. What was a bummer to me is that the Bills clearly looked one of the top teams still, but beatable. And well, being beatable and winning the SB is a harder mix. Doable but it'll be quite the task. Not the overall dominant powerhouse, even if still a Top 8 team. Good point is that the coaches will learn from this, as they did from the Steelers L. Compared to year 1, I feel McD and co mostly adjust real well at halftime. It's the INGAME adjustments they really lack. IDK why. Edited October 19, 2021 by Jerome007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Being a stats guy, the game essentially came down to two plays, both by Henry. The 76 yard run was a bad Bills defensive set that the Titans exploited. Henry does this a couple of times every year. The 13 yard TD, was just a "I'm gonna do this and you can't stop me". Take those out and the Titans gained 273 yards from scrimmage. Josh's Int and the resulting short field was IMHO a product of our putrid O-Line play. Then there's our total lack of a running game. If you look at the rushing leaders in the NFL, which you need if you hope to control the clock with a lead, they are all [Henry, Chubb, Elliott, Mixon, Taylor] much bigger than Moss and Motor. We need a back that can pound the rock. We had two scores wiped by inopportune penalties. Daboll had a couple creative red zone plays, the Knox pass to Allen, and the Knox TD run that was wiped out by a holding call, but we need more creativity. Our OL and RB's are not dominant in the red zone, yet we have a stable of pass catchers that routinely get open. Why a supposed offensive genius like Daboll cant come up with a decent screen pass option in the red zone is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Mango said: Edmunds got worked tonight. He got picked on in the second half. Regularly lightly brushed out of plays. A lot of people kicking back on this. Maybe I should be more specific. Edmunds did not have 4 bad quarters, but he was picked on and pushed out of plays more frequently as the game went on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mango said: A lot of people kicking back on this. Maybe I should be more specific. Edmunds did not have 4 bad quarters, but he was picked on and pushed out of plays more frequently as the game went on. He was our best player on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He was our best player on defense. The best player on a defense that allowed 6 straight drives that ended in points.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, MJS said: This is just nonsense. Edmunds had a good game. I seriously do not know what you people are watching. I think just the defensive game script and how they asked Milano and edmunds to play the play action made them look bad on alot of big plays. When you have your lbs selling out for the run coming up so close to the line of scrimmage then asking them to drop back and cover zone and tannehill exposes it again and again. It was alot to ask of our lbs. Edmunds came up and made some good hits and tackles, but he also got taken completely out of plays by much less athletic blockers. Defense as a whole played bad, edmunds made solid efforts, I think the defensive scheme made him and milano look worse than they played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mango said: The best player on a defense that allowed 6 straight drives that ended in points.... If your point was that the defense didn’t play particularly well, more people would have agreed with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 That TD run got into the head of Frazier and the defense. They weren't the same after that. The defense is built to defend the pass and they stopped doing that. The defense isn't built to handle a 1989-era Christian Okoye battering ram. You choose to stop Tannenhill or Henry but trying to do a little of both gets you neither. If I were the Bills, I'd add an 80s-era esque run stopper at LB if I could. There's a chance you'll meet the Titans or Browns in the playoffs, and you may need one to slow down those attacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: I think just the defensive game script and how they asked Milano and edmunds to play the play action made them look bad on alot of big plays. When you have your lbs selling out for the run coming up so close to the line of scrimmage then asking them to drop back and cover zone and tannehill exposes it again and again. It was alot to ask of our lbs. Edmunds came up and made some good hits and tackles, but he also got taken completely out of plays by much less athletic blockers. Defense as a whole played bad, edmunds made solid efforts, I think the defensive scheme made him and milano look worse than they played. Got picked on with RPOs. LBs always look stupid on those, but they're the conflict defender. If you're in the passing lane backpedaling they're going to hand it to henry. Thats why CEH had like 200 yards against buffalo in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Outside of losing the game and Josh not getting that one yard for the first down, the defense not getting a finger on Tannehil all night was my biggest disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 11 hours ago, QCity said: Our base D is nickel, we're just not built to stop a power running game. And boy, did it show tonight. This is what I didn’t get. When they only line up 2 WRs why wouldn’t they put AJK in for Taron? Most of Henry’s big runs looked like they ran at him or Milano. When a WR can easily block one or two of the three guys behind the front a RB like Henry is going to run wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I think sitting Epenesa and Basham was a mistake, we got no passrush from the outside. I would have sat Addison and Cody Ford. 17 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Nah. Sometimes an offense gets hot and you gotta match them. Defense held Titans to FG and gave the ball back to offense up 4. Josh took inexcusable sack. And then offense can’t get 6 inches on 4th down. Plenty of blame to go round. And Smith needs to not be on the team come Tuesday. Smith ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 17 hours ago, Mango said: Milano got fooled a few times in misdirections and was sort of on an island at times with a ton of field to cover. He did not have a great game either. I noticed Edmunds not being able to disengage and/or OL sneezing and he was taken well out of the play. The play action really got us last night, something i wish we had more of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Mango said: A lot of people kicking back on this. Maybe I should be more specific. Edmunds did not have 4 bad quarters, but he was picked on and pushed out of plays more frequently as the game went on. Enh ... he's playing zone. He's not really playing a man and there's always going to be someone open given the lack of a pass rush, TN's scheme, the quality of TN's receivers, and the accuracy/quickness to release of Tannehill. Edmunds shouldn't be blamed for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 16 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: That was their worst game in a long time. It seems like every time the media starts talking about Frazier being a head coach next year, the Bills defense plays like crap. Frazier will likely never be a HC again, he had his shot in Minnesota and doubt he gets one now that its been so long, some guys are just better as coordinators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 16 hours ago, Big Blitz said: 2 plays lost this game. The Henry run. Josh's INT inside our own 20. Take one of those away and we win - the INT imo was the biggest play. We're fine. They gave us everything they had. Prayers for Knox. If they called the holding of Poyer on the long Henry run we win the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Frazier’s conservative nature and refusal to change in game hurt the team last night…a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Played to stop Henry, when that failed it opened another can of worms. Our D was looking great, getting pressure and stopping the run the last few games. Didn’t like the personnel changes made. Sure Henry is a different type of runner but why are we drafting these guys if they can’t play every Sunday regardless of the opponent. Sometimes I think the Bills shoot themselves in the foot when making some odd changes to the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 On the Road against a good team down to the last seconds From ESPN power rankings Quote 2. Buffalo Bills (4-2) Previous ranking: 1 Week 1 confidence rating: 6.3 How it's going now: 7.8 With the way the Bills played against the Steelers to start the season, the initial rating seemed spot-on. Since then, Buffalo has played like one of the best teams in the NFL, winning every game outside of Monday night's loss to the Titans. Honestly, Buffalo's rating could be higher, especially after the way the win in Kansas City went. This team has an incredibly high ceiling, and the confidence will only increase as it fixes the issues that were on display in Tennessee. The Bills still have the potential to be the best team in the AFC, if not the league. -- Alaina Getzenberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Mango said: Edmunds got worked tonight. He got picked on in the second half. Regularly lightly brushed out of plays. Edit: A lot of people kicking back on this. Maybe I should be more specific. Edmunds did not have 4 bad quarters, but he was picked on and pushed out of plays more frequently as the game went on. He was great against the run but our lbs had a rough night against play action...which makes a lot of sense 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: On the Road against a good team down to the last seconds From ESPN power rankings Yea I think its gonna be viewed more as an any given Sunday type loss due to that 4th and inches play...if we had picked up that first and then thrown 4 straight incompletions to lose the game the optics probably would've been different...or if we went to OT and Tennessee marched straight down the field and scored. I think we're underestimating how difficult it is to not get a couple inches on a sneak out of frustration over the loss lol we probably get that 95 times out of 100 Edited October 19, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I do not understand for the life of me why we didn't blitz them more in obvious passing situations. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: I do not understand for the life of me why we didn't blitz them more in obvious passing situations. Yeah me too. Not every team kills the blitzes like the Chiefs and Bills... use them. I thought Star, Philipps and Zimmer did a decent job in the middle. It was the outside rushe that were missing, though Hughes seemed on fire for the first quarter. Titans sure threw quick passes too. I wonder how they gave up so many sacks before facing the Bills... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Yeah me too. Not every team kills the blitzes like the Chiefs and Bills... use them. I thought Star, Philipps and Zimmer did a decent job in the middle. It was the outside rushe that were missing, though Hughes seemed on fire for the first quarter. Titans sure threw quick passes too. I wonder how they gave up so many sacks before facing the Bills... They didn't have AJ or Julio in many of those games. Tannehill was holding the ball longer looking for open receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Also seems like, no matter how good our defense is, we have a couple games like this per year. Rams last year. Was it Eagles the year before? Games where our defense literally cannot stop the other team for an entire half or so. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 22 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: End of the day the Bills Offence scored enough to win this game and this game was lost because our defence could not get off the field in the second half and that started in the 2nd quarter. Frazier called a lousy game and we got zero pressure on a QB and that was a team that was giving up sacks. You spelled “defense” and “offense” wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Obviously false. Bad Red Zone play calling in the 1st half (plenty of FGs!) and a bad choice to end the game are why they lost the game. Bills are tied for the league lead with 15 FG attempted and over 1/2 are under 30 yards! They have kicked 8 FG within that range--no other team has more than 5. On the first of those two early drives it is fair to question both the play calling and the decision to take the FG. 4th and 3 I think I'd have been tempted to go. However, even within that sequence the 2nd down run wad a good call and if Feliciano sustains his block then Moss at worst gets the 1st down and might get in for the touchdown. Just bad execution. The second of those drives as all poor execution IMO. 1st down Daboll called a play that went for a touchdown only for a needless hold by Sanders to push them back. Then replaying first down he calls a play that gets Sanders totally free at the back of the endzone, Josh doesn't see him and did have pressure so took the checkdown and then on 3rd down he gets Diggs free at the front of the endzone for a touchdown and Josh just misses him with a low throw. I can't question the playcalling there the Bills just failed to execute. Nor do I question the decision having failed to execute to kick on 4th and 10. Early in the game 4th and 10 you kick the FG. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: I do not understand for the life of me why we didn't blitz them more in obvious passing situations. Which obvious passing situations? After the first two drives (where we did get pressure on Tannehill - Hughes should have had a sack and Oliver blew him a play up and forced him to throw it away) we got them in 3rd and long (ie. More than 3rd and 5) exactly FOUR times in the rest of the game. We only actually got them 3rd down of any distance SEVEN times in their final 7 drives excluding kneel downs. We held on FOUR of those SEVEN occasions two of them leading to FGs in the red zone and one to a 4th and short that they converted. We did not lose on defense through failing to defend obvious passing situations. We lost through failing to get Tennessee into obvious passing situations. Which we struggled with against them last year too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 What i don't understand is why Epenesa & Basham were inactive Efe Obada was in and did little to nothing for the pass rush although Jerry was doing his thing i believe if those 2 were in there the rush would have been better . Has anyone heard if they were injured or was it just a thing where McD thought Efe was a better fit for what they're going to do ? I think moving forward the need to have Efe as a depth player and put the other 2 on the field because when they are there the D is much better JMHO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 8:43 PM, Niagara Dude said: End of the day the Bills Offence scored enough to win this game and this game was lost because our defence could not get off the field in the second half and that started in the 2nd quarter. Frazier called a lousy game and we got zero pressure on a QB and that was a team that was giving up sacks. This has been this teams pattern on defense for years now and not sure it's all on Frazier since McD also has heavy influence on that side of the ball. But it's mind boggling that they sit in zone and refuse to blitz when opposing QB's are moving the ball at will against them and simply believe that they will hold a team to a FG instead of TD every time. This is why I hate this scheme but something tells me that even if Frazier leaves in the offseason it will still be more of the same no matter who replaces him because of the head coaches philosophy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Frazier has a habit of having the defense play cautiously against strong running teams. LBs were cheating up and the crossing route was open in the second half for Tannehill to exploit. It was jarring to see the Bills get shoved around by Titans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This has been this teams pattern on defense for years now and not sure it's all on Frazier since McD also has heavy influence on that side of the ball. But it's mind boggling that they sit in zone and refuse to blitz when opposing QB's are moving the ball at will against them and simply believe that they will hold a team to a FG instead of TD every time. This is why I hate this scheme but something tells me that even if Frazier leaves in the offseason it will still be more of the same no matter who replaces him because of the head coaches philosophy. I agree and Titans were leading the lead in giving up sacks, to just sit there is a loser mentality. You're playing not to lose, i would prefer taking risks and getting a few big defensive plays over just sitting back and giving up time consuming drives. I don't expect endless blitzing, but i do expect us to mix in some blitzes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: I agree and Titans were leading the lead in giving up sacks, to just sit there is a loser mentality. You're playing not to lose, i would prefer taking risks and getting a few big defensive plays over just sitting back and giving up time consuming drives. I don't expect endless blitzing, but i do expect us to mix in some blitzes You have a stylistic preference for another sort of scheme, that is fine. But the Bills have been very successful with this scheme. It isn't that this scheme if failing. It is just that you don't like it. Personally I don't like blitz heavy schemes, but I look at the Ravens and I go, sure they have had success being blitz heavy. There is no 1 way to win in the NFL. Sitting in zone is not a loser mentality. It is just a different scheme to the one you'd prefer. 3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: This has been this teams pattern on defense for years now and not sure it's all on Frazier since McD also has heavy influence on that side of the ball. But it's mind boggling that they sit in zone and refuse to blitz when opposing QB's are moving the ball at will against them and simply believe that they will hold a team to a FG instead of TD every time. This is why I hate this scheme but something tells me that even if Frazier leaves in the offseason it will still be more of the same no matter who replaces him because of the head coaches philosophy. Tannehill was moving the ball at will second half, but it is hard to send lots of blitzes when you can't even get a team to 3rd down. One of the two third down conversions we did give up 2nd half was when Leslie sent Milano (not technically a blitz because he dropped Obada out). That was a bad defensive call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: I agree and Titans were leading the lead in giving up sacks, to just sit there is a loser mentality. You're playing not to lose, i would prefer taking risks and getting a few big defensive plays over just sitting back and giving up time consuming drives. I don't expect endless blitzing, but i do expect us to mix in some blitzes That's my thinking too and you are going to go down and least go down swinging in that a blitz has a better chance of leading to a fumble/sack/INT than just standing there letting simply letting a team move the ball downfield at will hoping for them to make a mistake or get a FG instead of TD. Tannenhill has definitely been a better player since his dolphin days and taking over for starter as the Titans the last few years, but he's from elite and there's a reason why he was the most sacked QB in the league heading into mondays game. And had Allen not played one of his best games of the season we would have been blown out again by the Titans but even with said game we still lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/19/2021 at 12:44 AM, Buffalo619 said: How many times have we seen this thread topic? Frazier has 2-3 terrible games a year, this was one. In defence of OP, its been a hard last couple of days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: That's my thinking too and you are going to go down and least go down swinging in that a blitz has a better chance of leading to a fumble/sack/INT than just standing there letting simply letting a team move the ball downfield at will hoping for them to make a mistake or get a FG instead of TD. Tannenhill has definitely been a better player since his dolphin days and taking over for starter as the Titans the last few years, but he's from elite and there's a reason why he was the most sacked QB in the league heading into mondays game. And had Allen not played one of his best games of the season we would have been blown out again by the Titans but even with said game we still lost. The offence scored enough to win, the defense did nothing the whole night. I get they played that way against Mahomes & KC but not against Titans. We let them do whatever they liked and were happy to accept stopping them to a FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 22 hours ago, BTB said: Frazier’s conservative nature and refusal to change in game hurt the team last night…a lot. So I think Leslie had a poor night. But some of my least favourite calls of his were some of his more aggressive ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Which obvious passing situations? After the first two drives (where we did get pressure on Tannehill - Hughes should have had a sack and Oliver blew him a play up and forced him to throw it away) we got them in 3rd and long (ie. More than 3rd and 5) exactly FOUR times in the rest of the game. We only actually got them 3rd down of any distance SEVEN times in their final 7 drives excluding kneel downs. We held on FOUR of those SEVEN occasions two of them leading to FGs in the red zone and one to a 4th and short that they converted. We did not lose on defense through failing to defend obvious passing situations. We lost through failing to get Tennessee into obvious passing situations. Which we struggled with against them last year too. And if you're in, say, a 3rd and 4 or 5 and know the LBs have to account for Henry, then quick throws for firsts on crossing routes are really easy to execute. Pitch and catch, basically. A blitz can't do anything against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: And if you're in, say, a 3rd and 4 or 5 and know the LBs have to account for Henry, then quick throws for firsts on crossing routes are really easy to execute. Pitch and catch, basically. A blitz can't do anything against them. Exactly. Glad I am not dying on this hill alone Dave 😆. You are 100% right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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