10/10/21 Gameday SNF Bills @ Chiefs Postgame Thread

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

12-5 then.  I'm not betting against Mahomes and Reid to quickly turn this thing around.

 

There are a lot of good AFC teams this year.  KC is not going to win that division with the way the Chargers are playing.  Chargers already have a 2.5 game lead on KC. At best KC is a wildcard team and has a long road ahead of them playing teams that have a defense that have already stopped them this season.  Meanwhile KC has a defense that is one of if not the worst in the league.

 

KC at best is a pretender this year.  The league has finally figured out that KC has 3 players.  Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill.  Outside of those 3 they are average to garbage.  Maybe someone on o line doesn't fit that category.  Maybe a guy or two on defense doesn't fit that category.  They aren't the dynasty some people and the media tried to portray them as. The Pats, for all the talk about Tom Brady, also have a very very good defense during their dynasty.

Edited October 11, 2021 by Scott7975

[Roundybout]

14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Big win, a great performance all around.  I fully expect the Chiefs to get better and win the AFC West.  They are missing some key pieces on defense and aren't in sync right now.  If we see them again this year, they will be tougher.

 

Not so sure. Chargers are looking WAY better this year. If they can refine their defense a little more, then I think they take the West. Raiders are regressing and Broncos are mediocre. 

[Pokebball]

9 hours ago, major said:

Question: did Tampa bay give a blueprint to the league how to stop the chiefs? 

Yeah, I think they did.  However, I'm not sure we had the personnel last year.  The diff this year, not only in last night's game, is our front 4.

[BuffaninSarasota]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Why?  the NFL has an officials Problem.  Can I not be happy about beating the chiefs soundly, but also talk about the Bad officiating in the NFL?

 

yes I agree, the officiating is bad all the way around; I've said for a long time that NCAA games are called better

[Pokebball]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

already acknowledged holding calls were missed - not sure what you're getting at.

 

To me, the point of the response is that you can't call out one questionable call and make any point of it, really.  In this context, both of these calls were on the same drive. One negated a first, the other gave us a first.

[nucci]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Why?  the NFL has an officials Problem.  Can I not be happy about beating the chiefs soundly, but also talk about the Bad officiating in the NFL?

and there is no one to answer for bad and questionable calls anymore. It just gets ignored

[SCBills]

Zack Moss gives me Chris Carson vibes..  He's RB1, and that's with Singletary looking solid.  I have to believe that's settled, even if we won't put labels on it.

 

Elite Pass Pro

Very solid as a receiver

Strong, rugged runner with some athleticism

[YoloinOhio]

 

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, nucci said:

and there is no one to answer for bad and questionable calls anymore. It just gets ignored

Agree this team expects to win.  Unlike Bills teams of the past when bad calls would come on them it would seem to start an avalanche.  Not this team, they just keep rolling.  

[Stads]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Has a team ever led both PPG scored and allowed after 5 weeks?

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Zack Moss gives me Chris Carson vibes..  He's RB1, and that's with Singletary looking solid.  I have to believe that's settled, even if we won't put labels on it.

 

Elite Pass Pro

Very solid as a receiver

Strong, rugged runner with some athleticism

Agree these two backs are good.  I personally like Moss a little more as I think he is a little more complete than Singletary.  But I do like them both. 

[Jumpsuit Jim]

I’m just scrolling like mad through the threads. Watching vids. Reading tweets. Brain stimming on the dopamine rush. 
 

Its a good day to be alive. 

[WhoTom]

Debbie Downer fans: "Big deal - we still haven't beaten a team with a winning record."

 

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

let's be honest - that roughing the passer call on Frank Clark was straight garbage. If that was called on the Bills we'd be howling.

 

Yes the refs missed a few holding calls on KC but we all know NFL officiating is massively inconsistent. 

 

 

Lets be honest - this is the rule that Clark broke and he clearly broke this rule...

 

Quote

A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

 

[Dr. Who]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I've been wanting to say Josh Allen is better than Patrick Mahomes for a minute, but it was mainly based on potential.   

 

I think I'm ready to say it.  

 

Josh Allen is better than Patrick Mahomes.  

 

With Dawson Knox becoming a Travis Kelce clone, you're seeing how unreal Allen can be when he's not carrying a team with only his WR's.

Not sure Miss Piggy would agree with you, but I think the emergence of Knox does give a better picture of who they are on a level playing field. I'll take Josh.

37 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Big win, a great performance all around.  I fully expect the Chiefs to get better and win the AFC West.  They are missing some key pieces on defense and aren't in sync right now.  If we see them again this year, they will be tougher.

I think the Chargers are a formidable obstacle to that prediction.

[NickelCity]

3 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

let's be honest - that roughing the passer call on Frank Clark was straight garbage. If that was called on the Bills we'd be howling.

 

That was an obvious make up call, and at least it broke a rule. Show me the hold on Morse the play prior, which was called at an egregious time to boot.

 

That was the worst officiated game I can recall. Shambolic. 

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

by all means, please explain it.... 

no point in trying to argue subjective points of view

then don’t try to make the argument that one marginal call is egregious and bad and the other marginal call is valid and good. That’s textbook subjective. If both calls are made or neither call made, the what’s the problem?

[Jeffalo]

Watching some highlights with the closed captioning on this morning.  Think it was supposed to say "in the afc".  Pretty much sums up the night for KC.

[Da webster guy]

22 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Zack Moss gives me Chris Carson vibes..  He's RB1, and that's with Singletary looking solid.  I have to believe that's settled, even if we won't put labels on it.

 

Elite Pass Pro

Very solid as a receiver

Strong, rugged runner with some athleticism

vision too.   he's better now than he was in college at that.

[Mango]

I have First Take on in the background and Stephen A. Smith and Michael Irvin are arguing who is the best QB in the league. 

Stephen A. is at least being reasonable and saying in 2021 he thinks Allen, Herbert, and Rogers are all better than Mahomes right now. Irvin keeps rambling about Mahomes and Herbert. 

I don't know what my point is, but Michael Irvan is the worst. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Sounds like a super bowl to me. Stay healthy please 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I have First Take on in the background and Stephen A. Smith and Michael Irvin are arguing who is the best QB in the league. 

Stephen A. is at least being reasonable and saying in 2021 he thinks Allen, Herbert, and Rogers are all better than Mahomes right now. Irvin keeps rambling about Mahomes and Herbert. 

I don't know what my point is, but Michael Irvan is the worst. 

Everybody is ready and willing to die on the mahomes hill. Kellerman was on his radio show this morning and said the Chiefs are still gonna win 13 games. THIRTEEN! 

[Mango]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

Everybody is ready and willing to die on the mahomes hill. Kellerman was on his radio show this morning and said the Chiefs are still gonna win 13 games. THIRTEEN! 

 

I don't even mind the Mahomes argument. His resume is pretty superb. It is the immediate jump to Herbert that I find really annoying. 

 

[Da webster guy]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

The roughing the passer on Oliver was just a weak as the Clark driving Allen to the ground roughing, as Oliver was blocked low into the QB, and the play was just as impactful, along with the holdings you mentioned. Don't forget about the Trey Day PI when both players were hand fighting and the pass sailed 5 yards out of bounds. The Bills were definitely on the short side of the calls last night.

Thats my pet peeve w NFL refs--flagging P.I. without quickly checking where the ball is and if it was a catchable pass.  Kelce Tre penalty did not prevent the pass from being completed, it was clearly uncatchable.

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Thats my pet peeve w NFL refs--flagging P.I. without quickly checking where the ball is and if it was a catchable pass.  Kelce Tre penalty did not prevent the pass from being completed, it was clearly uncatchable.

 

Also, Kelce pulled Tre down with him.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

by all means, please explain it.... 

no point in trying to argue subjective points of view

 

There is nothing subjective about it.  It was in full view on camera. Either you didn't watch it,  you don't understand what you are seeing, or you just like to be that guy that argues with people about referee calls.

[thenorthremembers]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't even mind the Mahomes argument. His resume is pretty superb. It is the immediate jump to Herbert that I find really annoying. 

 

Its the stats.  He has some of the best stats for any Quarterback through their first 20 games.   I don't really have an issue with it considering how good he has been.

[Da webster guy]

11 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

How the hell did this team lose to Pittsburgh?

we whipped em 1st half but had no answer for Pitt pass rush in 2nd half who knew Daboll was just throwing every play.  They pinned back and got to Josh way too often.  

[gobills404]

I didn't know where else to post this tbh

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

Just watched the play again on YouTube; he DID NOT lift Allen up. The penalty may have been called for driving Allen into the ground.

 

I don't disagree with the rule. 

He picked up his arms to put all of his weight on Josh, rather than trying to use his arms to brace himself.  That is roughing the passer according to the rules. A bit soft compared to “the old days” but it is what it is. 

[Logic]

Let's see...

- #1 Offense
- #1 Defense
- #1 in Takeaways
- #1 in point differential
- Slayed the Chiefs in primetime at Arrowhead

The Bills are the best team in the league. That's not hyperbole or homerism, it's just the truth.

It was SO satisfying to see Mahomes rattled, jumpy, inaccurate, and generally stomping around like a pissy brat.

It was SO satisfying to come out of that infuriating rain delay and STILL kick the Chiefs' asses up and down the field.

Josh Allen doesn't really have to prove anything else, in my opinion. He can beat good defenses, he can overcome bad weather, he can out-duel other elite QBs, he can play in hostile environments, he can play on primetime, he can win playoff games. I suppose all that's left for him to do is, well....you know.

What a game, what a night, what a team!

GO BILLS!!!

 

[Heitz]

22 minutes ago, JV14 said:

Watching some highlights with the closed captioning on this morning.  Think it was supposed to say "in the afc".  Pretty much sums up the night for KC.

 

This is fantastic.  Please FW to @everythingbuffalo or @buffalopartyco or some other Insta meme site! 🤣🤣🤣

[Logic]

Oh, and this has probably already been posted here, I haven't checked, but...

This cameraman is all of Bills Mafia last night...
 

 

[Do The Reich Thing]

Are we going to be looking back at the "hurdle" drive to seal the game as THE moment the Bills started defining their legacy?

[MiltonWaddams]

17 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't even mind the Mahomes argument. His resume is pretty superb. It is the immediate jump to Herbert that I find really annoying. 

 

Have you watched any of the Chargers games this year? Herbert is special. In the same way that Josh is special, that guy is incredible with his arm talent and, at 6’7”, the ability to actually move and run the ball. I am a homer, but I am an objective one and that guy is for real.

[nucci]

21 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't even mind the Mahomes argument. His resume is pretty superb. It is the immediate jump to Herbert that I find really annoying. 

 

Why? Herbert is pretty amazing right now

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

Just watched the play again on YouTube; he DID NOT lift Allen up. The penalty may have been called for driving Allen into the ground.

 

I don't disagree with the rule. 

There is no may about it.  He drove Allen to the ground with full weight of his body.  Its textbook nono.

 

[Carmel Corn]

3 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Have you watched any of the Chargers games this year? Herbert is special. In the same way that Josh is special, that guy is incredible with his arm talent and, at 6’7”, the ability to actually move and run the ball. I am a homer, but I am an objective one and that guy is for real.

Thank goodness the Fin's did not see this and took Tua.

[BuffaninSarasota]

21 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

There is nothing subjective about it.  It was in full view on camera. Either you didn't watch it,  you don't understand what you are seeing, or you just like to be that guy that argues with people about referee calls.

 

I did watch it and fully understood what I saw. Clark did not pick him up, but he did somewhat drive Allen into the turf. That's probably why the call was made.

 

Definitely have zero desire to argue with you.

Edited October 11, 2021 by BuffaninSarasota

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Apologies if already posted upthread, but man, this post game presser by Sanders prolly deserves its own thread--he basically admits that at times, he's a fan just like us, amazed at what Josh is capable of out there, "on a whole other level" than other QB's he's played for...