Gilmore released

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Clemfield2622 said:

I hate Belichick, but the guy gets the most out of every defender. Gilmore went from an average player here, to All-Pro in New England. We'll see how he fares if they decide to start calling him for holding again now that he's out of NE. 

 

 

 

No he didn't. He went from an extremely good defender here who the fanbase got angry at because he left for money reasons ... to an even better defender in New England. 

 

He was really good here. We just weren't willing to pay him what he wanted. The man/zone thing also played in. And fans hate guys who won't give a hometown discount. We were having serious cap problems at that time even though the roster wasn't good enough to be having serious cap problems.

Edited October 6, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Dopey]

12 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

From everything we heard when Gilmore was here was that he was an incredibly hard worker. Taking care of his body, watching a ton of tape to get an edge, and always working on his craft. I don’t get where all the Gilmore hate comes from. Because he didn’t smile when he was drafted? So what. Buffalo had a terrible reputation when he was drafted here and didn’t show much improvement while he was here. The organization was a joke. So, he goes and enjoys a little success elsewhere (says he is excited to be on TV more) and becomes the target of a bunch of Bills fan hate. I don’t get it. 
 

He won’t come back here, but we’d be lucky to get him as a #2 corner opposite Tre. Especially, with how much a lot of people on here foolishly try to replace Levi Wallace at every turn. Be careful what you wish for. 

Smiling and enjoying fans who appreciate his play. Hint: those aren't Bills fans.

[BillsShredder83]

10 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Wallace, like every other Cb2 would on teams not named the Dolphins, will have his struggles vs. KC for sure! That doesn't mean we should get Gilly to play zone for 15 mil.

 

can't do it for that price.. doesn't work. He is a mostly man coverage defender. If he would take less and the coaches think he can play in our scheme, sure but that's not gonna happen likely.

 

And no, you DO NOT need to turn your head around in coverage. That is a 100% myth. They stopped enforcing that long ago. The in-broadcast refs that they have in many games these days have gone over this many times in their evals on interference calls. You're not alone in believing that its still a thing, but you're wrong.

 

example-

"Jay Stark

, Two years working for an NFL team & 20 years working for the league.

Answered December 23, 2015

Originally Answered: Is it pass interference if a defensive back never looks back at the quarterback when the ball is thrown to the receiver?

It is 'defensive' pass interference only if there is contact by the DB that inhibits the ability of the receiver to make the catch. He can go in front of the receiver, making incidental contact, in order to catch the ball. He may not drive through the receiver to make the catch. There is no rule that either the receiver or the defender must ever look back for the ball. It just makes sense for both of them to do so. While the ball is in the air, it is pass interference if either offensive or defensive player(s) inhibits (using contact) the ability of the opposing player, to catch the ball."

 

and...

 

"

Richard Livornese

Answered September 26, 2013

Originally Answered: Is it pass interference if a defensive back never looks back at the quarterback when the ball is thrown to the receiver?

What you describe is sometimes referred to as 'face guarding'. There was a time when this was a penalty in the NFL- it no longer is. Unless the defender makes contact with the receiver, it is not a penalty.

(See Rule 8 Sec. 5 Article 1 in the NFL Rule book for the complete definition of what is pass interference as well as some things that are not)"

Agreed it's not written, but if the contact is borderline, looking vs not looking is going to be the tie breaker right? Could be wrong here

[Not at the table Karlos]

16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Today must be Cut Veterans Day

 

 

I loved him coming out of college. He's been meh in pros though. 

[bigduke6]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Bring him home

Buff was never his home,  he barely tolerated it from draft day till the day he was happy to leave.    dont want him.  at this point in his career,  hes nothing more than a merc,  who wants to be payed.

Edited October 6, 2021 by bigduke6

[BuffaloRebound]

Negligence not to at least kick the tires given we have super bowl aspirations and he’s most likely going somewhere he thinks he can win super bowl.  

[34-78-83]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

Agreed it's not written, but if the contact is borderline, looking vs not looking is going to be the tie breaker right? Could be wrong here

No sir from a technical standpoint. The refs have been trained out of that for 2 decades at this point. Human nature however play a role at times where a ref may assume something happened that didn't because a guy isn't looking for the ball. That would just be bad reffing at that point though.

[Thurman#1]

20 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Wallace, like every other Cb2 would on teams not named the Dolphins, will have his struggles vs. KC for sure! That doesn't mean we should get Gilly to play zone for 15 mil.

 

can't do it for that price.. doesn't work. He is a mostly man coverage defender. If he would take less and the coaches think he can play in our scheme, sure but that's not gonna happen likely.

 

And no, you DO NOT need to turn your head around in coverage. That is a 100% myth. They stopped enforcing that long ago. The in-broadcast refs that they have in many games these days have gone over this many times in their evals on interference calls. You're not alone in believing that its still a thing, but you're wrong.

 

 

You do need to turn your head around if you hit the guy. The defender has the same right to the ball as the receiver, if he's trying to make a play on the ball. You can't do that without turning your head. It won't always get called perfectly, but that's the rule and it's generally called that way, especially if you hit the guy egregiously. That's downfield anyway, when the ball's coming in.

 

It's all a judgment call, but that plays into their judgment.

 

"WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR

"Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:

"Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch; ..."

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Thurman#1

[FilthyBeast]

Obviously if there was any real chance for the Bills to sign him and he wanted to come back here I would say get it done.

 

But realistically this is going to be a situation where he probably goes to the highest bidder which could be a team like Carolina that looks like a playoff team but not a true SB contender at the moment.

 

But if he's truly interested in competing for a ring then he would take less money to go to a team like TB, KC, GB, BUF, etc. TB is the guess for one obvious reason.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

In order of likelihood:

 

1. KC

2. TB

3. CAR

4. BAL

5. JAX

[bigduke6]

i get some of u talking about Wallace and PI's.    hes done fine this season,  and from what ive watched across the league,  the PI calls have been extremely inconsistent.

[Malazan]

Can't say I'm terribly interested. 

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

He never wanted to be here. He didn’t want to come here and he couldn’t wait to leave. It’s a much different culture here now but I still don’t think it would happen. Not in a million years

 

I think the vastly different culture may be the reason for him wanting to leave, and it may be the reason he comes back.  I'm not sure he "never wanted to be here," I think he hated losing.  

Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said:

In order of likelihood:

 

1. KC

2. TB

3. CAR

4. BAL

5. JAX

 

Jax???  

 

I think: 

 

1. TB

2. KC

3. BUF

4. BAL

5. CAR

[ndirish1978]

He's going to TB

[34-78-83]

6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You do need to turn your head around if you hit the guy. The defender has the same right to the ball as the receiver, if he's trying to make a play on the ball. You can't do that without turning your head. It won't always get called perfectly, but that's the rule and it's generally called that way, especially if you hit the guy egregiously. That's downfield anyway, when the ball's coming in.

incorrect - see my quotes of the rule I added to my original post. Not a single thing about turning the head is involved in interference. You are literally now allowed to wait til the ball hits a guy's hand while starring right in his face and then make a play on it. This has been the case for many years at this point.

Edited October 6, 2021 by 34-78-83

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think the vastly different culture may be the reason for him wanting to leave, and it may be the reason he comes back.  I'm not sure he "never wanted to be here," I think he hated losing.  

 

Jax???  

 

I think: 

 

1. TB

2. KC

3. BUF

4. BAL

5. CAR

Money talks and JAX has by far the most cap space.

 

I would like to think BUF has a higher likelihood, but have learned not to bet against McBeane’s Levi Love

[Gisele]

3 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

i get some of u talking about Wallace and PI's.    hes done fine this season,  and from what ive watched across the league,  the PI calls have been extremely inconsistent.

Our improved D-line is making our entire secondary look elite.

[ndirish1978]

I dunno why anyone would want him back. He is super talented but has been a me-first player throughout his career. He will dog it in games if his contract is ending and will sulk and pout if he isn't getting the money he wants. Pass. 

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

The revisionist history on Gilmore is hilarious…. Dude was really good here. Fans hated him because he signed with the Patriots and talked ***** to bills fans after the fact. 

 

 

Yup. It actualy started before that, but that was the capper.

[bigduke6]

1 minute ago, Gisele said:

Our improved D-line is making our entire secondary look elite.

yep,  clearly the D line is better,  i still wouldnt call Wallace elite by any means,  hes a solid #2 imo,  nothing more.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

If he goes to KC it would be funny in that who would have imagined Gilmore covering Gordon in KC practice just a few days/weeks ago? 

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

I dunno why anyone would want him back. He is super talented but has been a me-first player throughout his career. He will dog it in games if his contract is ending and will sulk and pout if he isn't getting the money he wants. Pass. 

 

I think the sulking was part of being in the Rex awful teams.  

 

And if that happens here, he's gone.  We basically have 2 #1 CBs if we get him here, and this will give us arguably the top secondary in the NFL and allow us to go toe to toe with any offense.  

[Nester]

Pass

 

best of luck with future endeavors 

[ndirish1978]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

I think the sulking was part of being in the Rex awful teams.  

 

And if that happens here, he's gone.  We basically have 2 #1 CBs if we get him here, and this will give us arguably the top secondary in the NFL and allow us to go toe to toe with any offense.  

 

I understand your point, I just don't think this is a team for divas. If we sign him, I'm not going to complain. I'm just not going to lobby for him.

[bigduke6]

yes,  Gilmore was a top 10 corner while he was here,  when he felt like actually trying.    i dont care about the excuses,  when youre a professional,  being paid to do your job the best u can,  if u start dogging it,  peeps have a right to turn on u.     some of us still remember his "excitement" of being drafted by Buffalo....

 

he played a few above average years,  then bailed.    thats fine.   but dont act like it didnt happen.

[RyanC883]

22 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Agreed it's not written, but if the contact is borderline, looking vs not looking is going to be the tie breaker right? Could be wrong here

 

you are 100% correct.  If you turn your head and look at the ball, it's almost never PI because the defender has the same right to go after the ball as the WR, so  contact is incidental in that instance.  If the head is not turned and there is contact, the defender is not going for the ball and it gets called.  

1 minute ago, bigduke6 said:

yes,  Gilmore was a top 10 corner while he was here,  when he felt like actually trying.    i dont care about the excuses,  when youre a professional,  being paid to do your job the best u can,  if u start dogging it,  peeps have a right to turn on u.     some of us still remember his "excitement" of being drafted by Buffalo....

 

he played a few above average years,  then bailed.    thats fine.   but dont act like it didnt happen.

 

he did sulk, but people grow, and he was playing for Rex (ugh) 

[ndirish1978]

I should point out we only have 3mil in cap space.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

He'll probably go to the Bucs or Chiefs. 

 

The Bucs may have gotten Sherman, but he wasn't great in his first game (8 targets, 8 catches allowed) and they'd rather not have to deal with his legal issues.

[RyanC883]

10 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Money talks and JAX has by far the most cap space.

 

I would like to think BUF has a higher likelihood, but have learned not to bet against McBeane’s Levi Love

 

bold literally made me LOL!  So true, and I like Levi, but Gilmore is an upgrade.  

 

Agreed that money talks.  I think Gilmore's unhappiness in Buffalo was being on a dysfunctional losing team (Rex team).  I think he would look at JAX and say "no thanks."  

 

If he's going after top dollar, I think CAR has the most space on a functional team that needs a CB.  

 

If going for a ring this year, I think BUF (really, we may be SB fav's with him); KC, and TB are the favs.  ??

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

I should point out we only have 3mil in cap space.

 

that's a great point.  

 

What do KC and TB have?  Just curious, I have no idea.  I think the "he goes to TB/KC" by some is Rex year FA PTSD (which I also suffer from!)  

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

54 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Do you really think wins is the best way to evaluate CB play and if so, why don't his wins in New England count?

At NE he played as if he cared.

Do you also want to give Whitner another try? He too was quite useful and certainly not a waste of a draft pick and cap space, no? 😂

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

At NE he played as if he cared.

Do you also want to give Whitner another try? He too was quite useful and certainly not a waste of a draft pick and cap space, no? 😂

Wait, so you're saying we should draft more Mike Williams and Erik Flowers?!?! 

[DC Greg]

There's no way he's coming back without a big new contract. I don't think the Bills have the cap space for this. Not worth it. There will be other needs to fill in the offseason that need to be accounted for. I doubt a high priced veteran CB coming off injury fits the McBeane plan.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Clemfield2622 said:

I hate Belichick, but the guy gets the most out of every defender. Gilmore went from an average player here, to All-Pro in New England. We'll see how he fares if they decide to start calling him for holding again now that he's out of NE. 

 

 

Did you just say an average player here God I’m glad you’re not Our gm

[JohnBonhamRocks]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

bold literally made me LOL!  So true, and I like Levi, but Gilmore is an upgrade.  

 

Agreed that money talks.  I think Gilmore's unhappiness in Buffalo was being on a dysfunctional losing team (Rex team).  I think he would look at JAX and say "no thanks."  

 

If he's going after top dollar, I think CAR has the most space on a functional team that needs a CB.  

 

If going for a ring this year, I think BUF (really, we may be SB fav's with him); KC, and TB are the favs.  ??

 

 

 

 

that's a great point.  

 

What do KC and TB have?  Just curious, I have no idea.  I think the "he goes to TB/KC" by some is Rex year FA PTSD (which I also suffer from!)  

 

 

If I’m running OBD I’m trying mightily to sign him. Just don’t think BUF has a good shot without true need at CB or a ton of $ to show at him. We may be #6 on my list though just because we are on the contender short list. 

[Fan in Chicago]

Let us set aside emotions. If he can play (mentally and physically), we should get him for our Superbowl run. $s may still be an issue for us though

[Success]

Allen is going to light up that secondary.

 

Everyone was raving about them this past Sunday.  But Brady was as off as I've ever seen him - guys were wide open and he was just overthrowing all over the place.

 

[simpleman]

3 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

KC, Bucs, Ravens

 

Always and forever

 

He'll sign with KC and play this week

I believe he can't come of of PUP till week 6. We play TB week 14, and he could play against us then.

Edited October 6, 2021 by simpleman

[DrDawkinstein]

22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The revisionist history on Gilmore is hilarious…. Dude was really good here. Fans hated him because he signed with the Patriots and talked ***** to bills fans after the fact. 

 

Fans hated him from the first moment he was drafted when he didnt jump up and dance around enough for some peoples' liking. 🙄

 

He absolutely was great here, and if we could afford him, I'd welcome him back as our #2 CB. But that wont happen.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Alot more than Gilmore. Plus, they even TRIED to win and went all out. They didn't dog it half the time like Gilmore.

 

 

You just equate cornerbacks with cop killers.  Gilmore was great here. This idea that he hated it in Buffalo was nonsense from the start. He did want to leave at the end because we weren’t good and weren’t going to pay him the money. 

[416BillsFan]