Were you guys impressed that Allen played well in front of a crowd?

[WideNine]

Like anything else, the more you do something the more used to it you get.

 

I think Allen is very genuine. He really loves this org and desparately wants to do well in front of the home crowd.

 

He presses at times early in games, and struggles reeling in that arm, but I like his long-term chances of playing solid in front of large crowds.

 

Based on today's performance I think he may be trending in the right direction.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

Just now, WideNine said:

Like anything else, the more you do something the more used to it you get.

 

I think Allen is very genuine. He really loves this org and desparately wants to do well in front of the home crowd.

 

He presses at times early in games, and struggles reeling in that arm, but I like his long-term chances of playing solid in front of large crowds.

 

Based on today's performance I think he may be trending in the right direction.

 

 

 

 

Very refreshing end well stated post

[Man with No Name]

I didn't think the line was amazing today. There were some passes on the run, and some very quick hits. Maybe the play calling is adjusting to what teams are throwing at us? 

 

The big evolution will be when they can make adjustments on the fly. 

[Man with No Name]

I don't know the stats from week to week, but found this:

 

Washington’s pass rush created 26 pressures but failed to sack Allen in the game. Nearly half of the pressures came from Daron Payne, who generated 11 pressures on 40 pass-rush snaps for a 30.0 pass-rush win percentage.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Man with No Name said:

Nearly half of the pressures came from Daron Payne,

 

That guy was a nightmare in the first half; Ford was fighting like hell but he couldn't keep him out of the backfield. He was way more dangerous than Chase Young or Montez Sweat.

I wonder if he has some conditioning issues or something because he really looked gassed and seemed much less effective as the game went on.

 

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Which 2019 homes games did he play great in.  I don’t remember any tbh.  He played ok.  He played similarly to how he played in week 1 and 2 this year.  Is that now viewed as good Josh?  I thought that was 2019 Josh……

 

this was his first 300 yard game in front of a sold out stadium.  31 games later.  He played ok in the past…..but that level of play pales in comparison to the Josh we saw last year and today.  Hopefully this trend continues.  Having 2 sub par games and 1 great game doesn’t really answer any questions.  Consistency.  That’s what we had last year.  Let see some this year.  
 

this was easily his best game in front of a sold out stadium.  The colts playoff game was his first 300 yard in front of fans, but it wasn’t full.

 

I’m not saying that he sucks in front of crowds…..I’m just saying that he hasn’t proven that he can be elite QB17 in front of crowds.  This one game vs the wft doesn’t prove anything in that regard.  
 

When has he really had the chance to be elite in front of crowds though?

 

He was in his 2nd year in 2019 and was a QB still learning the game.

 

 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

I don't know the stats from week to week, but found this:

 

Washington’s pass rush created 26 pressures but failed to sack Allen in the game. Nearly half of the pressures came from Daron Payne, who generated 11 pressures on 40 pass-rush snaps for a 30.0 pass-rush win percentage.

Interesting.  I did notice Josh just step up and around the rush with relative ease all day. He seemed to be in complete control navigating the pocket. 
 

regarding Payne….,did anyone happen to see which side he was on the majority of the day?  I saw young opposite Williams the majority of the day, but didn’t focus on Payne or Allen.  I was worried about Allen vs Feliciano.  Or was it Payne vs Feliciano?  Anyone know?

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

That guy was a nightmare in the first half; Ford was fighting like hell but he couldn't keep him out of the backfield. He was way more dangerous than Chase Young or Montez Sweat.

I wonder if he has some conditioning issues or something because he really looked gassed and seemed much less effective as the game went on.

 

Ah, so it was Payne vs Ford most of the day?  I do remember Ford getting bullied a couple times

[without a drought]

I'm not impressed,  Trubisky completed 100% of his passes and out rushed Josh in front of a crowd. 

[Simon]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Interesting.  I did notice Josh just step up and around the rush with relative ease all day. He seemed to be in complete control navigating the pocket. 
 

regarding Payne….,did anyone happen to see which side he was on the majority of the day?  I saw young opposite Williams the majority of the day, but didn’t focus on Payne or Allen.  I was worried about Allen vs Feliciano.  Or was it Payne vs Feliciano?  Anyone know?

Ah, so it was Payne vs Ford most of the day?  I do remember Ford getting bullied a couple times

Yeah, Payne was wearing a #94 and Washington doesn't seem interested in moving their front around much.

I thnik he went after Allen low on the first or second possession. My only evidence is that a) both Ford and DWilliams wanted to fight him at one point and b) Josh missed the deep throw to Diggs after that because he pulled both his feet off the turf when he saw Payne in the neighborhood again.

I remember having one of those moments early where you say "I really hate this ***hole; I wish he was wearing a Bills jersey" 

[Governor]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Interesting.  I did notice Josh just step up and around the rush with relative ease all day. He seemed to be in complete control navigating the pocket. 
 

regarding Payne….,did anyone happen to see which side he was on the majority of the day?  I saw young opposite Williams the majority of the day, but didn’t focus on Payne or Allen.  I was worried about Allen vs Feliciano.  Or was it Payne vs Feliciano?  Anyone know?

Ah, so it was Payne vs Ford most of the day?  I do remember Ford getting bullied a couple times

I noticed that right away vs. Steelers. You can tell that Josh spent the off-season learning how to step up into the pocket. That’s new to his game.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

I noticed that right away vs. Steelers. You can tell that Josh spent the off-season learning how to step up into the pocket. That’s new to his game.

I thought he did a great job of that last season too, but maybe you’re speaking of something more technical that is over my head.  

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I think it’s no coincidence that when he has better protection he plays better at the QB position. 

 

I was impressed, I was NOT surprised. We saw him do that all last year. We knew he had it in him….somewhere. 

 

Keep it up, Josh! (AND the OLine!) 

 

 

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What was really nice to see waa his pocket presence. He was not jittery, had good vision, and make mostly great accurate throws. He made several subtle moves to avoid the rush and kept his eyes downfield. It was very similar to Allen of last year. Couldn't be more happier. Hope this is a start of a great Allen for the rest of the season. 

[The Wiz]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Interesting.  I did notice Josh just step up and around the rush with relative ease all day. He seemed to be in complete control navigating the pocket. 
 

regarding Payne….,did anyone happen to see which side he was on the majority of the day?  I saw young opposite Williams the majority of the day, but didn’t focus on Payne or Allen.  I was worried about Allen vs Feliciano.  Or was it Payne vs Feliciano?  Anyone know?

Ah, so it was Payne vs Ford most of the day?  I do remember Ford getting bullied a couple times

I'm honestly curious if that was part of the game plan. It looked like he was ready to and/or running to the right all game. Even when he had a clean pocket that was the side he was moving toward. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

I'm honestly curious if that was part of the game plan. It looked like he was ready to and/or running to the right all game. Even when he had a clean pocket that was the side he was moving toward. 

Yeah, he was avoiding Young.  Young would rush wide, Josh would step up and into his space 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

When has he really had the chance to be elite in front of crowds though?

 

He was in his 2nd year in 2019 and was a QB still learning the game.

 

 

Go back and watch how he dominated vs Dallas on Thanksgiving day 2019 before the biggest road crowd and national audience of his career.  

Some myths die hard.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

I wonder if he has some conditioning issues or something because he really looked gassed and seemed much less effective as the game went on.

 

Washington has no d-line rotation. Staying fresh for 60 minutes has been a problem for that unit all year.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Yeah, Payne was wearing a #94 and Washington doesn't seem interested in moving their front around much.

I thnik he went after Allen low on the first or second possession. My only evidence is that a) both Ford and DWilliams wanted to fight him at one point and b) Josh missed the deep throw to Diggs after that because he pulled both his feet off the turf when he saw Payne in the neighborhood again.

I remember having one of those moments early where you say "I really hate this ***hole; I wish he was wearing a Bills jersey" 

 

He missed a wide open Diggs wide right…..oops, I’m sorry OB to his right, into the wind well down field. The replay showed a “hop pass” that Tim Tebow could only dream of. 

[Bookie Man]

He was very on point. Pleasantly surprised. Even his misses, he was very close. He seemed extra dialed in. Good sign of things to come. 

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

That guy was a nightmare in the first half; Ford was fighting like hell but he couldn't keep him out of the backfield. He was way more dangerous than Chase Young or Montez Sweat.

I wonder if he has some conditioning issues or something because he really looked gassed and seemed much less effective as the game went on.

 

WFT doesn’t rotate their DL. That 93 yard, 17 play thing of beauty will have those guys still gassed in the morning!

[Don Otreply]

That anyone  would anyone think crowds were detrimental to his play are mistaken, but there are a few bi polar types here that believe otherwise. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Brennan Huff]

I’m more surprised that so many people were upset that Bills fans on a message board were critiquing Allen’s misfires. Tremaine Edmunds gets crucified on every other thread for missing a tackle but if Josh Allen overthrows his receiver you better not bring it up. Nobody on the team is above criticism. This place is wild

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said:

I’m more surprised that so many people were upset that Bills fans on a message board were critiquing Allen’s misfires. Tremaine Edmunds gets crucified on every other thread for missing a tackle but if Josh Allen overthrows his receiver you better not bring it up. Nobody on the team is above criticism. This place is wild

Allen had 2 bad games "MIami wasn't even really that bad"... Edmunds has been being Edmunds consistently for a long time now.

[Brennan Huff]

53 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Allen had 2 bad games "MIami wasn't even really that bad"... Edmunds has been being Edmunds consistently for a long time now.

Edmunds isn’t as bad as people here make him out to be. You could actually say that he’s had a more consistent career so far than Allen has. Allen was not good his rookie year. He wasn’t very good his 2nd year either but you could start seeing the potential. That’s all I’m going to say because I don’t want to get into this debate every damn week 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Go back and watch how he dominated vs Dallas on Thanksgiving day 2019 before the biggest road crowd and national audience of his career.  

Some myths die hard.

Just to clarify, the concern was never crowds in general; it was home crowds.

[BillsFan130]

7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Go back and watch how he dominated vs Dallas on Thanksgiving day 2019 before the biggest road crowd and national audience of his career.  

Some myths die hard.

Ya I'm agreeing with you haha. I'm saying it's hard to say he can't play in crowds when he hasn't had much of a chance.

 

And ya he played unreal that game in front of a crowd

[Beerball]

12 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Because I’ve heard he can’t play in front of crowds.

Your title asks if I was impressed.

 

Your pole asks if I was surprised.

 

I was neither impressed or surprised, I was happy.

[teef]

25 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Just to clarify, the concern was never crowds in general; it was home crowds.

and it was a concern that bothered no one more than you.  you were also concerned that heinicke would play better against buffalo due to his limited time in a preseason game here in the past.  things concern you.

[Royale with Cheese]

37 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Just to clarify, the concern was never crowds in general; it was home crowds.

I am not sure if you know this but the Bills fans at home aren’t loud when our offense is on the field.

 

Josh’s first 5 TD came out home against the Dolphins his rookie year.

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said:

I’m more surprised that so many people were upset that Bills fans on a message board were critiquing Allen’s misfires. Tremaine Edmunds gets crucified on every other thread for missing a tackle but if Josh Allen overthrows his receiver you better not bring it up. Nobody on the team is above criticism. This place is wild

I mind filter posts that bore me like the very hottest of takes. I decided to in a manner of speaking bleach that kind of rhetoric from my thinking and keep it moving forward. Im happy to read but as easily discarded if its too hot, ya know?

 

GO BILLS!~!~!~!

 

m

[Motorin']

11 hours ago, Locomark said:

Multiple choice: 

a) it was his pre-game music choices

b) he found his lucky socks

c) he is due for regression 

d) the kid is just damn good and everyone should lay the F off him

 

E. Super Bowl winning Qb's like Tom Brady have never played like crap in early Sept / Oct. And if they had, that would prove they were unable to ever win the Super Bowl.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

3 hours ago, teef said:

and it was a concern that bothered no one more than you.  you were also concerned that heinicke would play better against buffalo due to his limited time in a preseason game here in the past.  things concern you.

And it bothers you tremendously. I have no problem whatsoever with my concerns in retrospect.

 

By the way, the concern about the WFT QB and preseason was more of an observation about the confidence he would bring to the table. He did come out confident, it seemed. I think I actually said I'm not saying it would affect the game, and it appears it didn't.

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am not sure if you know this but the Bills fans at home aren’t loud when our offense is on the field.

That's not the point... feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I "love" it when people respond sarcastically/condescendingly but don't even get the point. It's about Josh wanting to put on a show for the home fans. He's talked about this in the past. He's talked about getting too pumped up. I'm really tired of saying this over and over again. It's not about noise or fans in general.

 

Yesterday was amazing. Let's hope he continues in this direction.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[teef]

13 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

And it bothers you tremendously. I have no problem whatsoever with my concerns in retrospect.

 

By the way, the concern about the WFT QB and preseason was more of an observation about the confidence he would bring to the table. He did come out confident, it seemed. I think I actually said I'm not saying it would affect the game, and it appears it didn't.

That's not the point... feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I "love" it when people respond sarcastically/condescendingly but don't even get the point. It's about Josh wanting to put on a show for the home fans. He's talked about this in the past. He's talked about getting too pumped up. I'm really tired of saying this over and over again. It's not about noise or fans in general.

 

Yesterday was amazing. Let's hope he continues in this direction.

it didn't bother me at all.  it was more amusing that someone actually spent more than a few seconds being concerned about it.  it was more for my amusement than anything.  also, we all very much understood your point.  the difference is no one else put that much emphasis on it, but that's what message boards are for. 

[ngbills]

So funny. People who said Allen played bad the first two weeks (most of them at least) expect him to play like this. Daboll and Allen made a lot of adjustments if you watch the film of this game vs the first two as many said. This was not a case of everyone around Allen played better and he has been perfect. It started with Allen being better and that takes the pressure off everyone else. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

And it bothers you tremendously. I have no problem whatsoever with my concerns in retrospect.

 

By the way, the concern about the WFT QB and preseason was more of an observation about the confidence he would bring to the table. He did come out confident, it seemed. I think I actually said I'm not saying it would affect the game, and it appears it didn't.

That's not the point... feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I "love" it when people respond sarcastically/condescendingly but don't even get the point. It's about Josh wanting to put on a show for the home fans. He's talked about this in the past. He's talked about getting too pumped up. I'm really tired of saying this over and over again. It's not about noise or fans in general.

 

Yesterday was amazing. Let's hope he continues in this direction.

 

To the bolded, you made the statement to where you just can't be wrong.  Heinicke plays well, you can say that you were right he had confidence because of the preseason game.  But if he doesn't play well, you did say "well it may not affect the game".   Then why bring it up?  Why bring up something so miniscule?

 

So Josh gets too pumped to perform in front of fans but it's not about the noise or the fans??

 

[teef]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

To the bolded, you made the statement to where you just can't be wrong.  Heinicke plays well, you can say that you were right he had confidence because of the preseason game.  But if he doesn't play well, you did say "well it may not affect the game".   Then why bring it up?  Why bring up something so miniscule?

 

So Josh gets too pumped to perform in front of fans but it's not about the noise or the fans??

 

i just don't think you get his point...

[K-9]

16 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Because I’ve heard he can’t play in front of crowds.

Pretty sure it was he can’t play in front of “clowns.” 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

To the bolded, you made the statement to where you just can't be wrong.  Heinicke plays well, you can say that you were right he had confidence because of the preseason game.  But if he doesn't play well, you did say "well it may not affect the game".   Then why bring it up?  Why bring up something so miniscule?

 

So Josh gets too pumped to perform in front of fans but it's not about the noise or the fans??

 

I can see how you would think I did that, but I promise I didn't put that thought into it.

 

Regarding the last question, yes. The idea is that it's a psychological pressure to perform, not a response to physical stimuli.

[Starr Almighty]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

Which 2019 homes games did he play great in.  I don’t remember any tbh.  He played ok.  He played similarly to how he played in week 1 and 2 this year.  Is that now viewed as good Josh?  I thought that was 2019 Josh……

 

this was his first 300 yard game in front of a sold out stadium.  31 games later.  He played ok in the past…..but that level of play pales in comparison to the Josh we saw last year and today.  Hopefully this trend continues.  Having 2 sub par games and 1 great game doesn’t really answer any questions.  Consistency.  That’s what we had last year.  Let see some this year.  
 

this was easily his best game in front of a sold out stadium.  The colts playoff game was his first 300 yard in front of fans, but it wasn’t full.

 

I’m not saying that he sucks in front of crowds…..I’m just saying that he hasn’t proven that he can be elite QB17 in front of crowds.  This one game vs the wft doesn’t prove anything in that regard.  
 

I have a question for you. Does a QB have to throw for 300 yards to have played a good/great game?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I think that it is possible, that the Bills took the Steelers lightly. The Bills beat them pretty handily in their own house, last year.

It was a pretty similar game I think joshs stats are almost identical between those two games.  We just couldn't hit on any big plays this year and they hit on all of theirs.  

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I have a question for you. Does a QB have to throw for 300 yards to have played a good/great game?

No.  
 

so.  Which home games did Josh allen play good in during the 2019 season?

 

im not saying that he didn’t.  I’m asking what everyone thinks.