Josh Allen - Cupping Therapy on Neck

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

No Idea what that means but Jack Eichel is the neck expert in Buffalo

In case it's related to his head and not neck he can also give Tim Connolly a call. He's probably still concussed.

[blacklabel]

This is a treatment that has become quite popular in just the last couple of years but as far as I’ve read, it doesn’t seem to be anything revolutionary or game changing. There’s a fair bit of speculation on just how useful it is, I guess. Feels kinda like a new trendy thing in sports rehab but hey maybe it works for some. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

25 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

In case it's related to his head and not neck he can also give Tim Connolly a call. He's probably still concussed.

LMAO, i've never seen anything like that

Edited September 22, 2021 by Mike in Horseheads

[machine gun kelly]

I think I saw that cup thing in a Star Trek episode, no wait it was the redo of karate kid.

 

Seriously it is an eastern therapy and no I have no idea if it works.  Either that or Allen’s girlfriend gave him a monster hickey.  Those crazy kids these days.

[The Wiz]

46 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

LMAO, i've never seen anything like that

Interestingly enough, I worked with a woman for a long time before we realized we were both Sabres fans and told me about her son.  He played in Syracuse and the Quebec international Pee-Wee minor league..  She had nothing but bad things to say about him because he was "always injured" when he didn't feel like playing in HS and her son basically said he was a piece of glass.

 

I don't know how accurate these things were since it was before my time but I'd take her word for it for sure.  

Edited September 23, 2021 by The Wiz

[Sblite5]

4 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Cupping has been used effectively for couple thousand years in multiple coultures.  It is now even used by most chiropractors.  It works on fascial restrictions thus promoting healing and relaxation. 

Please. No it has not been used "effectively" by multiple cultures. Most of that period to which you refer was before the advent of modern medicine, when life expectancy was half what it is now and things Smallpox wiped out whole communities. Chiropractors are not researchers, nor are they doctors. They don't set the bar very high, so when you say "even used" this is not an endorsement from science based medicine. Cupping doesn't work. It never has and it never will. If we don't trust empiricism and the scientific method to determine what is real, we will all suffer from something more than sore necks. I hope he is actually seeing a physio. And maybe burning sage while saying Tom Brady backwards three times. That has worked for thousands of years. 

[Beast]

I wonder if two girls were responsible for that one cup mark?

[Fortunesmith]

Cupping is pseudoscience garbage. There is absolutely no empirical evidence it does anything of benefit. Placebo perhaps  

[CuseBill]

I will be really concerned if someone finds a photo of Josh with a leach on his arm to get rid of "bad blood".

[Don Otreply]

“Cupping”, is used in an attempt to increase blood flow into a specific anatomic area, the theory is that it can have a therapeutic effect on musculature, this has never been proven to be so, although therapeutic / sports massage of the same musculature is known to be effective in relaxing said muscle grouping.
 

Cupping in all reality does the same thing as giving someone a hickey as it was known when I was younger. Cupping is a “somewhat” recent fade in this country in the last decade-ish, it has become more popular.  It is not medicinal in any way shape or form. It is reminiscent of applying leaches for therapeutic gain. 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

I wonder if two girls were responsible for that one cup mark?

Ahhhhh yeahhhhhhh!  

1 hour ago, Fortunesmith said:

Cupping is pseudoscience garbage. There is absolutely no empirical evidence it does anything of benefit. Placebo perhaps  

That’s what they used to say about acupuncture.  

[BillsShredder83]

GUIYS! JOSH HAS ILLUMINATI CROP CIRCLES ON HIS NECK!!!

 

BILLS SUPERBOWL WIN, WITH THEIR QB SPORTING THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!

 

JET FUEL DOESN'T BURN STEEL BEAMS. STEELERS D MELTS BEANES TEAM!

 

5 PAGES?!?!?

 

Lol yall freaking out and looking for clues and solving mysteries. 

 

The inside of the training facility is like a resort. Massages, cryotherapy, haircuts, jacuzzi, good food, oxygen chambers.. There's proli a cupping room, and there's proli a cute chick that does it with soft hands. And it's free. And maybe it works. But proli doesn't. But def doesn't hurt. And it's free. Like wtf, imma go get some cupping and that's the full story 😆😆

Edited September 23, 2021 by BillsShredder83

[Mango]

 

6 hours ago, Michael1962 said:

So is it safe to assume that all the MDs you have been to have been "brilliant"?

 

 

Most people don’t realize what a bad doctor is until something non-traditional or scary happens to them or a loved one. 
 

I was just at the Albany Med ER a few weeks ago with some chest pains. A woman came in, she was there the night before after a car accident. They gave her a once over, scanned her noggin, etc. told her everything was normal and sent her home. They called her and told her to come back over a day later because she had a brain bleed on her CT. But because she didn’t have any symptoms when she came in post accident nobody actually waited for the radiologist to read the CT. 
 

Similar story, my father in law was diagnosed with cancer after a car accident. But not at the hospital. A month later when he follow up with his GP. The hospital took some imaging of his back. The doctor found a 2 or 3 tumors on his kidneys, but didn’t mention it to him because he thought he probably already knew about it. 
 

I trust medicine and science, but doctors miss stuff sometimes. 

[Marv's Neighbor]

7 hours ago, Michael1962 said:

Maybe it is a big hickey.

Maybe hanging out with Bob Kraft?

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Sblite5 said:

Please. No it has not been used "effectively" by multiple cultures. Most of that period to which you refer was before the advent of modern medicine, when life expectancy was half what it is now and things Smallpox wiped out whole communities. Chiropractors are not researchers, nor are they doctors. They don't set the bar very high, so when you say "even used" this is not an endorsement from science based medicine. Cupping doesn't work. It never has and it never will. If we don't trust empiricism and the scientific method to determine what is real, we will all suffer from something more than sore necks. I hope he is actually seeing a physio. And maybe burning sage while saying Tom Brady backwards three times. That has worked for thousands of years. 

I have my thoughts on chiropractics in general. I generally think their are a lot better ways to manage the spine than forcefully adjusting. But part of the reason people rely on them is because medicine pretty much fails at addressing the spine for daily issues with aches and mobility. Your MD deals with precisely that. Medicine. Greater access to quality and affordable physio would really ease the reliance on chiropractics. 
 

That isn’t my point though. 
 

Cupping isn’t just some weird pseudo science. I know a number of olympic people physios on staff and athletes who swear by it for not just pain relief, but recovery as well. And honestly, let’s just say it’s a pseudo science, it isn’t harmful in any way, shape, or form. So if cupping makes somebody’s neck feel better, who cares. Sage makes me feel less anxious. My doctor isn’t prescribing sage either. 

[Chandler#81]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

I had no opinion, because we don’t know what we don’t know. Remember when he had the left shoulder problems and just didn’t look like himself for a while? He’s had a couple throws this year that looked like they needed more zip allowing the DB to close on the ball. One in particular to the left sideline stands out in my mind. I have ZERO idea if this may be related, or what other causes might come into play that we know nothing about. 

 

Bottom line? I’ll trust them to do the right things and pray he gets physically and mentally back to the Josh of last season! 

Prayer?? Jesus! Now we’re Really getting out there! Sky fairies! Perfect. Why didn’t I think of that?🤦‍♂️
What’s next? Summoning bizzaro world witch Doctors?

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Prayer?? Jesus! Now we’re Really getting out there! Sky fairies! Perfect. Why didn’t I think of that?🤦‍♂️
What’s next? Summoning bizzaro world witch Doctors?

 

It’s the only thing that guarantees at least an 84% chance of fending off the voodoo dolls used by the interns of opposing teams. I thought everyone knew that! Advanced stats, man! 

[Michael1962]

35 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

 

Most people don’t realize what a bad doctor is until something non-traditional or scary happens to them or a loved one. 
 

I was just at the Albany Med ER a few weeks ago with some chest pains. A woman came in, she was there the night before after a car accident. They gave her a once over, scanned her noggin, etc. told her everything was normal and sent her home. They called her and told her to come back over a day later because she had a brain bleed on her CT. But because she didn’t have any symptoms when she came in post accident nobody actually waited for the radiologist to read the CT. 
 

Similar story, my father in law was diagnosed with cancer after a car accident. But not at the hospital. A month later when he follow up with his GP. The hospital took some imaging of his back. The doctor found a 2 or 3 tumors on his kidneys, but didn’t mention it to him because he thought he probably already knew about it. 
 

I trust medicine and science, but doctors miss stuff sometimes. 

yep, my father did a colonoscopy, the MD told him there were 3 polyps but did nothing to remove them.  My father has no medical training and 2 years later boom he has colon cancer with mets to the liver.  luckily he survived and is not the litigious type.  Spending 16 hours a day hopped up on Adderal to pass your pre-med classes, MCATs, etc. does not mean one has people and/or clinical skills.  That being said I have known several amazing MDs, but definitely not all of them

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

I noticed this during the final preseason game, but Allen had a bunch of cupping therapy marks around on his neck, specifically on the right side of his neck.  This cupping therapy is usually used as pain relief from muscle issues.  These first two games, there seems to be an issues with the power Allen is throwing with.  Lots of throws seem to be almost short, or lack the power to get to the open player before the defender is getting there.  There also seems to be a theme where he is avoiding the right side of the field.  I wonder if there is something going on with the right side of his neck.

 

Here is a picture from the preseason game where you can see the mark.

 

Wow eagle eyes.. can’t hide anything ! 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

It’s the only thing that guarantees at least an 84% chance of fending off the voodoo dolls used by the interns of opposing teams. I thought everyone knew that! Advanced stats, man! 

See even you know I've been using those voodoo dolls for years

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, Fortunesmith said:

Cupping is pseudoscience garbage. There is absolutely no empirical evidence it does anything of benefit. Placebo perhaps  

Totally false.  The only thing that gets rid of sub-cutaneous toxins faster than cupping is crystals and essential oils.  

 

I have some pamphlets you should read.  I just PMed you details for my next meeting.  Come learn how you can become your own boss and take the keys to your financial freedom.  

Edited September 23, 2021 by Jauronimo

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

Most people don’t realize what a bad doctor is until something non-traditional or scary happens to them or a loved one. 

 

I trust medicine and science, but doctors miss stuff sometimes. 

 

I went to a very highly recommended doctor (#7) regarding some ankle pain which was making it very hard to drive.

I have been to other doctors with various diagnoses and treatments and while some worked the relief was temporary.

He did an examination, less through than previous ones I went to, and told me my ankle was fine it was psychosomatic (all in my head).

 

I went to another doctor (#8) and he said I had planters fasciitis and by softening the foot muscle it would relieve the pain.

He put me in a hard boot and told me to see him in 6 weeks.

Within the first week I could barely walk and doctor said "We should not be getting results like that.  I will schedule you for a MRI."

MRI found a cyst size of a golf ball entangled with my ankle bones, tendons and blood vessels. 

I had it removed by a specialist at Mayo clinic (also lost my job; company would not get paid on contract so they had customer, US govt, change job description so they could let me go for "lack of work") and after surgery I had muscle control of ankle again.

 

Doctors are NOT scientists - they are artists and are speculating what issue may be based upon symptoms and tests.  Symptoms vary according patient physiology and body chemistry; tests they choose often are often restricted by medical insurance.  Most are not quacks like #7 (and I went to his office and told him so) and you need to sometimes just try a new one.  I have found some Asian medical treatment which works better than western medical treatment but which one is right for you varies just like for medical doctors.

 

[Captain Caveman]

11 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I'd guess the latter since they are required to report all injuries. 

 

Sure, and teams never ever fudge that.

 

Brady was hurt all last year without being on the report.  I feel like the Bills had a similar version of this 2-3 years ago with a defender (maybe Lorenzo Alexander?)

[IslandBillsFan]

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

 

Anyone questioning athletes trying unique things to extend a career needs to read about the TB12 method.  That guy sure seems to keep going.

[Mango]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I went to a very highly recommended doctor (#7) regarding some ankle pain which was making it very hard to drive.

I have been to other doctors with various diagnoses and treatments and while some worked the relief was temporary.

He did an examination, less through than previous ones I went to, and told me my ankle was fine it was psychosomatic (all in my head).

 

I went to another doctor (#8) and he said I had planters fasciitis and by softening the foot muscle it would relieve the pain.

He put me in a hard boot and told me to see him in 6 weeks.

Within the first week I could barely walk and doctor said "We should not be getting results like that.  I will schedule you for a MRI."

MRI found a cyst size of a golf ball entangled with my ankle bones, tendons and blood vessels. 

I had it removed by a specialist at Mayo clinic (also lost my job; company would not get paid on contract so they had customer, US govt, change job description so they could let me go for "lack of work") and after surgery I had muscle control of ankle again.

 

Doctors are NOT scientists - they are artists and are speculating what issue may be based upon symptoms and tests.  Symptoms vary according patient physiology and body chemistry; tests they choose often are often restricted by medical insurance.  Most are not quacks like #7 (and I went to his office and told him so) and you need to sometimes just try a new one.  I have found some Asian medical treatment which works better than western medical treatment but which one is right for you varies just like for medical doctors.

 

 

I fully agree with all of this. 
 

The psychosomatic/anxiety diagnosis is particularly frustrating.  I had one doctor call it “lazy doctoring”, along the lines of, “sometimes the body does things and we don’t know why, something like half the time. Most psychosomatic symptoms don’t start in the head, they start because something is wrong. “I don’t know why this is happening to you” is better than you can’t trust your brain”

[Fan in Chicago]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

Doctors are NOT scientists - they are artists and are speculating what issue may be based upon symptoms and tests.  Symptoms vary according patient physiology and body chemistry; tests they choose often are often restricted by medical insurance.  Most are not quacks like #7 (and I went to his office and told him so) and you need to sometimes just try a new one.  I have found some Asian medical treatment which works better than western medical treatment but which one is right for you varies just like for medical doctors.

 

If they are artists, they should be paid like one. And not like OJ Simpson's lawyers. 😐

[Xwnyer]

20 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

I deal with pain every day and I must admit I have never heard of cupping therapy

you need better PT folks mine also use dry needling

[Logic]

Six pages of discussion based off of one photo indicating that our quarterback may have gotten a pretty common form of physical therapy done.

Never change, Two Bills Drive.

[34-78-83]

This might be the oddest reach of a thread I've seen here and that's saying something!

[Apocalypse Nuts]

9 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Totally false.  The only thing that gets rid of sub-cutaneous toxins faster than cupping is crystals and essential oils.  

 

I have some pamphlets you should read.  I just PMed you details for my next meeting.  Come learn how you can become your own boss and take the keys to your financial freedom.  

It’s not a pyramid scheme.  It’s just a triangle.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

A lot of the players use it for recovery

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

It isn't gunna hurt anything. And it might help you never know. Worst case scenario it's a small amount of wasted time. At this level finding a way to be 1% better consistently is the difference between good and great. I'm happy he's looking for every advantage he can get no matter how small

Attention. To. Detail.

6 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Let me answer this question as THE source with complete knowledge and insight about this subject... NO, it was a single individual

Link to source?

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

A lot of the players use it for recovery

 

Championship athletes in pretty large numbers across a ton of disciplines use cupping. Rallying against it like it is some feng shui  is silly. 

I get the sense that people mocking cupping are the type of people that pour vodka on a cut at home, even though the have neosporin in the bathroom...because tough guy.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Mango
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[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

It isn't gunna hurt anything. And it might help you never know. Worst case scenario it's a small amount of wasted time. At this level finding a way to be 1% better consistently is the difference between good and great. I'm happy he's looking for every advantage he can get no matter how small

Attention. To. Detail.

Link to source?

Ask and you shall receive...

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/26971-sherlock-holmes/

[first_and_ten]

On 9/23/2021 at 10:56 AM, Xwnyer said:

you need better PT folks mine also use dry needling

 

Did not know that one either🤔

On 9/22/2021 at 5:53 PM, 3rdand12 said:

Its a specific therapy used in healing and pain relief. One of my daughters uses it at her practice. look into it. It might help you with some of your ailments I hope

 

Can I ask what type of practice is your daughter in?

On 9/22/2021 at 3:49 PM, Nextmanup said:

It ranks right up there with the magical power of crystals and pyramids.

 

I.E., it's pseudo-science nonsense.

 

 

 

Thanks for your take on it. 

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

 

[IslandBillsFan]

I have to agree that it is psuedo science.  Not really hurting anything, just borderline a waste of time.  

 

Maybe I am wrong and cupping will turn out to be legit.  However, all studies by credible sources say it is not.  Going a step further, I've never seen it done by anyone in the medical field.  

 

I file it in the ranks of ear candles, acupuncture, chakras, black eye tape, rekee, chiropracty, etc...  

 

Just my two cents.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I have to agree that it is psuedo science.  Not really hurting anything, just borderline a waste of time.  

 

Maybe I am wrong and cupping will turn out to be legit.  However, all studies by credible sources say it is not.  Going a step further, I've never seen it done by anyone in the medical field.  

 

I file it in the ranks of ear candles, acupuncture, chakras, black eye tape, rekee, chiropracty, etc...  

 

Just my two cents.

 

My two cents say that your two cents are wrong.  I'm not into chakras and rarely one to be attracted to alternative medicine but I've tried "dry" (fire) cupping.  The effect was profound - it made my painful back feel so much better.

And my experience speaks to the very heart of empirical science.  Test something.  Can you see/taste/hear/feel/smell a result?  That's empiricism.  I employed the empirical method and found that fire cupping works at alleviating pain.  

 

And, actually, this should be no surprise.  Dry cupping involves fire near your skin.  The effectiveness of heat therapy for muscle pain is well established.  Maybe the vacuum effect helps in some way too - I don't know.

 

You say that "all studies by credible sources" say cupping isn't legit.  This is emphatically not true.   I would think, for example, that the Berlin Hospital is a legit source.  They published a peer reviewed study in a medical journal that concluded wet cupping resulted in a "highly significant decrease" in pain in patients suffering from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.  

 

American Pain Society. "Cupping Therapy Alleviates Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Pain." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 25 June 2009. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616190512.htm>.

 

Here's what the Harvard Health Review had to say about cupping:

 

"Does cupping work?  A number of studies have examined this question, but unfortunately don’t seem to have  convincingly answered it. In fact, a 2015 review of the evidence found that cupping might provide some relief for chronic neck or back pain, but that the quality of the evidence was too limited to draw firm conclusions."

 

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-exactly-is-cupping-2016093010402

 

My guess is that as more and better studies are done, dry/hot cupping will be found to be effective at pain relief.  

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdand12]

14 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

My two cents say that your two cents are wrong.  I'm not into chakras and rarely one to be attracted to alternative medicine but I've tried "dry" (fire) cupping.  The effect was profound - it made my painful back feel so much better.

And my experience speaks to the very heart of empirical science.  Test something.  Can you see/taste/hear/feel/smell a result?  That's empiricism.  I employed the empirical method and found that fire cupping works at alleviating pain.  

 

And, actually, this should be no surprise.  Dry cupping involves fire near your skin.  The effectiveness of heat therapy for muscle pain is well established.  Maybe the vacuum effect helps in some way too - I don't know.

 

You say that "all studies by credible sources" say cupping isn't legit.  This is emphatically not true.   I would think, for example, that the Berlin Hospital is a legit source.  They published a peer reviewed study in a medical journal that concluded wet cupping resulted in a "highly significant decrease" in pain in patients suffering from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.  

 

American Pain Society. "Cupping Therapy Alleviates Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Pain." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 25 June 2009. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616190512.htm>.

 

Here's what the Harvard Health Review had to say about cupping:

 

"Does cupping work?  A number of studies have examined this question, but unfortunately don’t seem to have  convincingly answered it. In fact, a 2015 review of the evidence found that cupping might provide some relief for chronic neck or back pain, but that the quality of the evidence was too limited to draw firm conclusions."

 

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-exactly-is-cupping-2016093010402

 

My guess is that as more and better studies are done, dry/hot cupping will be found to be effective at pain relief.  

 

 

 

 

 

My experience has been to try multiple disciplines employed by Qualified and licensed Practitioners.
There is a reason some of the methods are thousand of years old.
And to point. Look into how much money and effort it takes to become a Licensed certified Acupuncturist. And that is if you get accepted !

 Personal experience from a skeptic (me) has opened my mind about methods of healing and maintaining health. I have 3 daughters and the Eldest one is a Oncology Nurse at one of local hospitals. Each of them use  different techniques and methods to heal.
 Some of our get togethers get pretty interesting when they start comparing notes.

 Cupping might be part of holistic regimen for Josh to remain healthy
and we want Josh to never come off the field now do we ? And always be 110% of the Josh he can be

   lol

 

Go Bills

 

17 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I have to agree that it is psuedo science.  Not really hurting anything, just borderline a waste of time.  

 

Maybe I am wrong and cupping will turn out to be legit.  However, all studies by credible sources say it is not.  Going a step further, I've never seen it done by anyone in the medical field.  

 

I file it in the ranks of ear candles, acupuncture, chakras, black eye tape, rekee, chiropracty, etc...  

 

Just my two cents.

I respect your opinion/experience 

Go Bills