letsgoteam Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: How many has he had blocked versus how many has BoJo had blocked? A quick review showed he has had 2 blocked over 5 years and almost 2x the number of kicks as Bojo. BoJo in half the number of kicks and fewer years has also had 2 blocked. He is slower, but he has been that way his career and yet somehow with proper blocking he had only 1 blocked previously. Additionally - I don’t care who was back there - because a guy came straight through virtually untouched - that kick was getting blocked. That block was on the 2 guys that did not pick him up when he busted through. Haack’s speed did him no favors, but that guy was not slowed down a bit. So that cost us 6 points - now please do how many points BoJo cost us with missed XPs and FGs because he could not hold. There were at least 4 kicks with the laces facing the wrong way last year alone. The Kicker gets blamed for a bad hold by BoJo. It almost got Bass cut early last year. I will agree with this too. I dont know if Haack is the answer or if they should find someone else, but Bojo was awful at holding. Bojo's bad holds go back to his time with Stephen Hauchska(spelling is wrong, I'm sorry). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 if you all had seen this recent picture of Haack you wouldnt be surprised at the speed of his kicks 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) So where are the fancy stats to back up the “he’s really really really slow getting the punt off”? …and if he didn’t have a punt blocked in week 1, how many keen eyes would be proclaiming that he is slow getting the punts off. Edited September 21, 2021 by BTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, billybob71 said: if you all had seen this recent picture of Haack you wouldnt be surprised at the speed of his kicks That's one ugly mother ***** Edited September 21, 2021 by LeGOATski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I almost wonder if the slow wind up/triple step is coached as part of the punt team unit. To give the coverage team time to get downfield and setup blocks, close lanes and prevent big returns. A big knock on Bojorquez is that he would unleash bombs but frequently outkick the coverage which gave returners a lot of room to run. I don't recall the slow wind up being a knock on Haack in MIA. It is troubling that it's so slow and it looks like he's basically just getting the kick off every time but I wonder if this is a "feature" and not a "bug". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I actually thought he was faster against Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree that Haack is slow. But on the record, he only has 2 blocked punts: one in 2018 vs the Patriots, and one vs. the Steelers. Yeah I knew about that stat too. 2 blocked punts only. But our eyes likely don't lie: he really looks slow out there. Weird as I'm sure the Bills brass measure those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I don't think you can assume that the Bills were only going to pay Bojo 1.02 mil. He may have simply priced himself out of Buffalo and screwed himself out of some money. agree that the RFA qualify offer was likely too high so Bojo likely felt good about testing the market and rightly so, but had to wait until April to sign a lower-than-expected deal (Rams) and the Bills signed Haack very quickly, March 16, to 3 year deal, whereas Bojo got 1 year, and traded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Does anyone out there track time to punt, the same way they track a QB's release time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It's his strategy, let the defense think they can block it, so he'll draw a roughing the kicker penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Gisele said: Not sure if this has been brought up so sorry if it has. Anyone else noticed how slow he is getting the kick off? how’s Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Easy fix: just have the offense get 1st downs & scores, and we don't have to worry about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: With his slow step approach, could you imagine having to punt from the 1 yard line, where he only gets 10 yards of separation as opposed to his usual 15? Eek. 4th and 16 from our 1? Might as well go for it 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I think Haack is a better punter. More height on kicks, takes advantage of our good punt coverage team. Bojo was good for a costly shank every couple games and he had no feel for the coffin corner kicks (yes, I am aware he did it on his longest kick last year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Bojo kicked very well for gb last night will never understand why Beane swapped him out. we had the two best legs in the game and let one of them go. Must be something underneath the bojo release we are not aware of... not buying the cap hit excuse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Blainorama5 said: Clearly not a process guy. He was kicking for the Pack last nite. The MNF crew said he had the longest and the shortest punt in the NFL last year. A 77 yarder. And a 12 yarder. That's probably why he isn't punting for us any longer. Inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 He takes an extra step for some reason. And he had a stupid name. Bring back Moorman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Must have taken Bobby Wheeler to heart: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Must have taken Bobby Wheeler to heart: CLASSIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 57 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I actually thought he was faster against Miami. I actually did too. That said, there seem to be bodies all over the place perilously close when he kicks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Gisele said: CLASSIC 30 years ago a 'hack' was a person of dubious skills in their area of supposed expertise. 15 years ago, a 'hack' was what a student did to the school's computer system to alter their grades. Nowadays, a 'hack' is a shortcut to fixing a problem, or improving a process. Anyone else confused? 🤔 44 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: 4th and 16 from our 1? Might as well go for it 🤷♂️ So Tyrod passes for 11. Edited September 21, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I think every single one of us noticed it when Pittsburgh blocked it. Troubling that the block didn't seem to change his delivery. No sense of urgency. When 4 guys only block 3, that untouched blocker will usually block the punt no matter who ya got back there punting. 2 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Absolutely. Never got why we let Bojo go. Haack is absolutely terrible. Should have been cut already. Bring in someone off the street. I’ll sacrifice a few yards to ensure it doesn’t get blocked. Ironic given the username. "Someone off the street" is just not a guaranteed improvement, or why do you think we wouldn't have, already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarkLessWagMore Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 How does this get blocked? He is glacially slow on every punt. Disappointed with this signing for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: It's actually not slow at all. What you are noticing, is a guy that gets more consistent hang time. Haack is the way more consistent punter it terms of hang times. He is slower. Bojo is a "2 step punter" and Haack is a "3 step punter". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: That's one ugly mother ***** It may be homely...but it was somebody's baby, once. 😢 "Too many edits to thread title. Repeat fourth down. New England Patriots awarded a conditional draft pick." TWEET Edited September 21, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, BarkLessWagMore said: How does this get blocked? He is glacially slow on every punt. Disappointed with this signing for sure. This has already been discussed with far more than a single still shot as Bojo is starting his steps, before the guy breaks through (note that he is still 13 yards behind the LOS here and has not started his steps yet). Go here for schematic and text description of what the "fail" in the blocking scheme was. Steve Tasker said that Haack should have been 15 yards back, but I've been stopping film and looking at the yards and I think it's SOP across the league to shorten the distance down near the endzone - seemed to be 13 when kicking from inside the teams own 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ski Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, letsgoteam said: I will agree with this too. I dont know if Haack is the answer or if they should find someone else, but Bojo was awful at holding. Bojo's bad holds go back to his time with Stephen Hauchska(spelling is wrong, I'm sorry). he needs to start walking as the ball is snapped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Maybe I'm still traumatized from the Pittsburg game, but this guy Haak scares me. Bring back Bojorquez; I don't know why we got rid of him. The few times we called upon him to punt last year, he was excellent! Edited September 21, 2021 by saundena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 This guy is absolutely to slow. He needs to go now because another punt is going to get blocked. He’s way, way to slow to get the punt off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Back2Buff said: It's actually not slow at all. What you are noticing, is a guy that gets more consistent hang time. Haack is the way more consistent punter it terms of hang times. If by hang time you mean he's spending a lot of time hanging around back there before he punts the ball, then I 100% agree. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He is slower. Bojo is a "2 step punter" and Haack is a "3 step punter". they are both 4 step punters. Kicking on 4th foot forward. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This has already been discussed with far more than a single still shot as Bojo is starting his steps, before the guy breaks through (note that he is still 13 yards behind the LOS here and has not started his steps yet). Go here for schematic and text description of what the "fail" in the blocking scheme was. Steve Tasker said that Haack should have been 15 yards back, but I've been stopping film and looking at the yards and I think it's SOP across the league to shorten the distance down near the endzone - seemed to be 13 when kicking from inside the teams own 25. in that still Hauck has already taken one step. He and Bojo both take 4 steps. Kicking on 4th foot forward. Hauck is just much much slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He is slower. Bojo is a "2 step punter" and Haack is a "3 step punter". I call it 4 steps. His first step is like a 2 step shuffle. Then two proper steps. Ugly. I will be honest I know it is a wild overreaction but I want him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 the punting game is a place where we could see the next evolution... Imagine a punter who could take the snap and start running, then either pass, keep running past the line of scrimmage, or punt while on the run with accuracy.... That would be a PIA to defend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, cba fan said: they are both 4 step punters. Kicking on 4th foot forward. in that still Hauck has already taken one step. He and Bojo both take 4 steps. Kicking on 4th foot forward. Hauck is just much much slower. I can't find it at the moment, but I saw an analysis where someone compared their motion and concluded Haack (not Hauck) takes an extra step. Either way, my point stands that that still shot doesn't show a thing about how the punt got blocked. The punter still has several steps to take, and the question is still unresolved as to whether the blockers and personal protector will pick everyone up. 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I call it 4 steps. His first step is like a 2 step shuffle. Then two proper steps. Ugly. I will be honest I know it is a wild overreaction but I want him gone. I want a pony. Neither of us is getting what we want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: the punting game is a place where we could see the next evolution... Imagine a punter who could take the snap and start running, then either pass, keep running past the line of scrimmage, or punt while on the run with accuracy.... That would be a PIA to defend Maybe, but it will slow down everyone along the line because if he passes - the lineman cannot go downfield. My guess is this evolution leads to more penalties on the offense and more kicks that get returned because of a lack of coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I want a pony. Neither of us is getting what we want. I can source you a pony..... I've got Ed Oliver's number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Back2Buff said: It's actually not slow at all. What you are noticing, is a guy that gets more consistent hang time. Haack is the way more consistent punter it terms of hang times. I am really confused how you got delivery time and hang time mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Maybe, but it will slow down everyone along the line because if he passes - the lineman cannot go downfield. My guess is this evolution leads to more penalties on the offense and more kicks that get returned because of a lack of coverage. True... I guess it would be like an option punt. Punt/Pass or punt/run. Then again, you're right that there's probably a good reason this hasn't been tried by some sleep deprived special teams coach who spent too many hours at the facility! LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I mentioned it after the second pre-season game when I first noticed it. He takes way too long. Watch him....he takes 3 full steps. Bojo finally has a good season and we let him walk? If Haack gets one more kick blocked he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, BarkLessWagMore said: How does this get blocked? He is glacially slow on every punt. Disappointed with this signing for sure. He is slow but that’s only 7 yard sprint for the guy who blocked it…he came almost untouched. I think most punters on this case would have had theirs blocked too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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