Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Beast said: I bet he goes back to the Ravens. You know, that's not the dumbest of dumb ideas - for the Ravens I expect Smoke might like to go somewhere with a better passing QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Allen has given Brown, Beasley and Diggs career years. Heck throw in Bob Foster if ya want. Allen is going to be getting wrs paid for the next 15 years. And Zay Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dean said: I wish Brown well. He was a good player, and teammate, while on the Bills. I would agree. Had a nice TD dance as well. after the injury he never got "it" back Man could get over the top of most defenses wish him the best 11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Trufant?? Crossed my mind Couple Vet corners released on the back end of career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, FFadpecr said: Josh Allen's Top 3 WRs in 2019: #1 WR - John Brown. Can't even make the Raiders roster 2 years later! (pathetic) #2 WR - Cole Beasley. UDFA slot-only complementary receiver. #3 WR - He didn't even have one! His #3 receiving option was rookie TE Dawson Knox, who was downright brutal. ^^^Bottom 5 weapons around Josh in 2019. Josh Allen's 2019 season is under-appreciated by the ignorant, false-narrative-creating media. He dragged a bottom-tier supporting cast to double-digit wins and the playoffs. Josh Allen's peers even ranked him #87 on the NFL Top 100 after 2019 - the guys who faced Allen recognized that he was clearly a good QB after his 2nd year, putting him in the Top 100. The narrative that JA was "bad" his 1st 2 years is the dumbest, laziest, most ignorant take that the lying media keeps pushing. They act like that garbage take/narrative is true when it clearly and factually is not.. There is so much truth in Bolded. Even in 2018 when being as raw as he was and tossed into one of the worst O-lines and WR corps I ever seen, you could clearly see the insane raw skills there. He improved a ton in 2019 with a completely revamped O-line and WR corp. The media clowns just will not admit they were wrong so they say his 1st 2 season were horrible and disregard he is why we made the playoffs that year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Can he play Tight End ? If he bulks up a bit… Edited August 31, 2021 by Don Otreply 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Beast said: I bet he goes back to the Ravens. Yes, because WRs just LOVE having Lamont throwing the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Yes, because WRs just LOVE having Lamont throwing the ball. The son from Sanford and Son? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 More to the point, is he vaccinated?? We could use a bump in our percentage.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Bills92 said: Why do I think he is going to the Pats. Antonio Brown lite..... He's AB....minus the route running talent, one on one moves, and ball catching skills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, The Dean said: Why does either one of them need to be in the top 100? I'd argue neither is close. 32 X 3 = 96. So you're saying that John Brown is not good enough to be a #3 on any NFL team? We're just going to vehemently disagree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: 32 X 3 = 96. So you're saying that John Brown is not good enough to be a #3 on any NFL team? We're just going to vehemently disagree on that. My bad. I was thinking top 100 players. But now that I think about it in that context, Brown MIGHT be a top 100 WR. But I don't think he is a top 75 WR. MAYBE he is a #3 WR in this league at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Dean said: My bad. I was thinking top 100 players. But now that I think about it in that context, Brown MIGHT be a top 100 WR. But I don't think he is a top 75 WR. MAYBE he is a #3 WR in this league at this point. We're close. I think he is a 3 right now, but a slot guy that can stretch the field when healthy, and can play #2 in a pinch here and there. He's a pretty versatile receiver, but he's got to be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: The son from Sanford and Son? You big dummy! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 He’d be a great fit in KC or GB imo. Colts and Falcons could really use him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, NewEra said: He’d be a great fit in KC or GB imo. Colts and Falcons could really use him. I’d prefer him in the NFC, to be honest. If he’s healthy, he can seriously hurt you. Especially against a “depth CB”. He gets downgraded for not being “available”, but I don’t want us to have to cover him when healthy in the playoffs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Question… do veterans have offsets in their contracts like rookie deals do? Kinda crazy the Raiders guaranteed him $3.2m and are gonna just let him walk without taking a regular season snap. Makes more sense if the $3.2m can be offset by whatever he signs for with his next team. If there are no offsets and he’s willing to play for under $2m this year, I’d bring him back to Bills and thank the raiders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, NewEra said: He’d be a great fit in KC or GB imo. Colts and Falcons could really use him. Every team you mentioned would absolutely improve by adding John Brown. I hope it’s not KC. They already have enough weapons to defend. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Where he’d fit perfectly is the Bears. Fields has a cannon arm and raw. Run Forrest Run. Then just Chuck it a million yards and he’d shine. I like Brown. I hope he gets a simple run Forrest run job and makes a few bucks. He really helped us and Allen in 19. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: "Smoke" wasn't willing to run naked through a glass window for Gruden... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 15 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: The son from Sanford and Son? Great now I’ve got that song in my head…thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, Behindenemylines said: Great now I’ve got that song in my head…thanks Ahhhhh - back when tv show themes were actually memorable! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 17 hours ago, FFadpecr said: Blasphemy. Asolutely disgusting comparison. Now don't hold back. Tell us what you really think! 17 hours ago, FFadpecr said: Antonio Brown should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. A 3-level route-runner who can get open short, intermediate, and deep. Runs the entire route tree. In his prime, AB was the 1b to Julio Jones 1a as far as Best WR in the game. He should and he was. But to use your own logic, he had a great year in 2018...one and two years later he struggled to make an NFL team 😜 17 hours ago, FFadpecr said: John Brown is a one-speed runner, one-dimensional deep threat who can only run like 3 routes, and can't make contested catches at all. This is selling John Brown short. He could also make a contested catch https://www.buffalobills.com/video/chopping-wood-touchdown-john-brown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRT3fE4nlo0 (Gilmore = Toast) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96905O7H_8 (for example, 5:07 in - just after Renegade!) It's a fair evaluation that he could be taken away by "sticky" or physical coverage, and in 2019 he also was not meticulous in how he ran every route or with the "toe drag swag". But give the man his "propers". He's not Stefon Diggs, but he's a good, smooth route runner, he has all the routes, and he did make contested catches at times. 17 hours ago, FFadpecr said: It's truly incredible that just 2 years ago, John Brown was Josh Allen's #1 WR, and people acted like Josh had a good supporting cast (LMAO). The truth is, even in 2019 (Year 2), Josh Allen truly had one of the worst offensive supporting casts in the entire NFL. Bottom 5 in the league. This is just not true. It was widely recognized that in acquiring Brown, Beasley, Morse and re-making the the OL, the Bills had significantly upgraded their offensive personnel. They weren't top 5 in the league for personnel, and it's true they didn't have deep enough talent at WR They weren't anywhere close to bottom 5 in the league either. 17 hours ago, FFadpecr said: Josh Allen's Top 3 WRs in 2019: #1 WR - John Brown. Can't even make the Raiders roster 2 years later! (pathetic) Because a player was good one year, does not mean he will be a good player 2 years later as talents decline with injury and age. We all know that. "Past performance does not predict future results". But a player is not as good now, 2 years later, is just as foolish an argument for downrating his performance of 2 years ago. 17 hours ago, FFadpecr said: Josh Allen's 2019 season is under-appreciated by the ignorant, false-narrative-creating media. He dragged a bottom-tier supporting cast to double-digit wins and the playoffs. Josh Allen's peers even ranked him #87 on the NFL Top 100 after 2019 - the guys who faced Allen recognized that he was clearly a good QB after his 2nd year, putting him in the Top 100. The narrative that JA was "bad" his 1st 2 years is the dumbest, laziest, most ignorant take that the lying media keeps pushing. They act like that garbage take/narrative is true when it clearly and factually is not. Take a damper. Having a "take" you disagree with does not make someone "ignorant" "false narrative creating" or "lying". Even more so a blanket statement about "the media". There are a number of objective metrics where Josh in 2019 was not as good as he needed to be to become a "top" QB. He had improved, and except for a few pundits on podcasts and click-bait sports shows like Nick Wright, most of the media fully acknowledged this. The "false narrative creating" thing is also highly ironic coming from a guy who claims that 1) Brown, Bease etc were a bottom 5 in the league group in 2019. They weren't and to argue they were, requires more than your assertion. 2) that because Brown just got cut in 2021, he couldn't really have been good 2 years earlier 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 17 hours ago, Billl said: Don't be surprised if you see him October 10th. I will be surprised. If Brown wasn't happy being penciled in behind Waller, Edwards, Renfrow, and Ruggs not to mention Zay Jones, why would you think he'd be happy to be penciled in behind Kelce, Hill, Hardman, and Robinson? Brown will have a market after September 12. He mentioned before wanting to play for Pittsburgh. I think the level of competition there might be lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I will be surprised. If Brown wasn't happy being penciled in behind Waller, Edwards, Renfrow, and Ruggs not to mention Zay Jones, why would you think he'd be happy to be penciled in behind Kelce, Hill, Hardman, and Robinson? Brown will have a market after September 12. He mentioned before wanting to play for Pittsburgh. I think the level of competition there might be lower. Depending on the status of B'mores WR room, he could go there as well. Hollywood Brown just got back to practice this week after missing most of TC. He apparently pulled a hamstring. John Brown could do spot duty until they get Bateman back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, wjag said: Depending on the status of B'mores WR room, he could go there as well. Hollywood Brown just got back to practice this week after missing most of TC. He apparently pulled a hamstring. John Brown could do spot duty until they get Bateman back. I don't know how much market he'll have, but if he has a market, I would think he'd want to balance the depth of the WR room against the strength of the passing game. But Brown probably still knows guys on the Ravens who can tell him whether that's developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 18 hours ago, Peace Frog said: All good points which I agree with. However, every time I see the phrase 'fake news media', it reminds me of the former guy. Ugh. Nate Peterman? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I will be surprised. If Brown wasn't happy being penciled in behind Waller, Edwards, Renfrow, and Ruggs not to mention Zay Jones, why would you think he'd be happy to be penciled in behind Kelce, Hill, Hardman, and Robinson? Brown will have a market after September 12. He mentioned before wanting to play for Pittsburgh. I think the level of competition there might be lower. I would think he would much prefer that. There is a gulf sixed distance from the Raiders to having Mahommes as your QB, Reid as your coach and a legit shot at the dance. 1 hour ago, wjag said: Depending on the status of B'mores WR room, he could go there as well. Hollywood Brown just got back to practice this week after missing most of TC. He apparently pulled a hamstring. John Brown could do spot duty until they get Bateman back. Yeah, I cannot imagine he's not getting several calls. Edited September 1, 2021 by foreboding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 19 hours ago, scuba guy said: This just show what coach and bean have been establishing true team and commitment. People will start to say go to buffalo where it about the brotherhood and great ownership. Not the bowl cut owner I'm sure it's more about targets amd opportunity. That offense will run through Josh Jacobs and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Hopefully no one signs him. The Bills no doubt still have his number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 9/1/2021 at 12:19 AM, Logic said: Every team you mentioned would absolutely improve by adding John Brown. I hope it’s not KC. They already have enough weapons to defend. Chiefs need a legit WR2. Their depth behind tyreek is awful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) On 8/31/2021 at 4:48 PM, Beast said: I bet he goes back to the Ravens. Didn’t he not click with Lamar ? Edited September 2, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I guess they don't want that smoke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Chiefs need a legit WR2. Their depth behind tyreek is awful. Agreed. Their WR2 position is like the Bills' CB2 position. They always have a passable/decent player there, but they seem determined not to put a real threat there. I suppose Hardman could break out this year, but I'm not holding my breath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Saints would be a good fit they aren't deep and winston can throw 30+ yard contested balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 22 hours ago, foreboding said: Yeah, I cannot imagine he's not getting several calls. I can imagine as much. He was hit in the face with the ball last year. On multiple occasions (NE on MNF and KC on AFCCG). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Isn’t it essentially the same group that ***** on the Bills defense in the championship game? Yeah, their #2 WR- Hardman- had 2 catches for 4 yards. Unless you consider Pringle the #2, with his 3 catches for 22 yards. Waves of difference makers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Isn’t it essentially the same group that ***** on the Bills defense in the championship game? I think so, minus Watkins right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I bet he goes to the Colts or Saints. Colts lost TY Hilton to injury, and the Saints won't have Michael Thomas for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Logic said: Agreed. Their WR2 position is like the Bills' CB2 position. They always have a passable/decent player there, but they seem determined not to put a real threat there. I suppose Hardman could break out this year, but I'm not holding my breath. Yes exactly - They can fix it and should. But the reason they don’t is because Kelce is their #1 option … if they get even a baseline replacement level guy at WR2, the rest of what they do is so good, they're fine. They just have to hope hill doesn’t get hurt. They had their chance this year. And last year. Edited September 2, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 5:05 PM, The Dean said: Why does either one of them need to be in the top 100? I'd argue neither is close. Then I think it's "on you" to name 100+ WR in the league who are better Last year John Brown YPG - 49; Y/Tgt 43; drop % tied for 68; no fumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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