RD 2, Pick 29 (61): Boogie Basham, DE (Wake Forest)

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

I mean good player but two EDGE players? Does this mean Addison is gone?

It means Mahomes better get on his horse.  

[Motor26]

Love the Boogie pick. Can never have too many pass rushers.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

or Boettger

I think he’s the odd man out.  He will make the team but I just see him as depth.

[That's No Moon]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

To me this would make all the sense in the world if we weren't desperate for CBs at this point.  Now I'm genuinely worried about our CB situation beyond White... and next year it'll only be him and Jackson under contract.

 

But... what about CB?

They're taking 4 more players tomorrow. 

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think he’s the odd man out.  He will make the team but I just see him as depth.

And Bates has played well in the opportunities he has had.  We will see I guess.

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, The Governor said:

I’m not complaining. I’m just a little freaked out that everyone is fixated on the Chiefs when it could very well be the Titans, who could totally rag-doll us physically.

We just picked up two 6' 5+" monsters, that are more physical by nature than finesse. I think well finish figurimg it out in the next rounds.  Hope a big DT comes to us soon here

[CaptnCoke11]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

To me this would make all the sense in the world if we weren't desperate for CBs at this point.  Now I'm genuinely worried about our CB situation beyond White... and next year it'll only be him and Jackson under contract.

 

That said, I think the Super Bowl proved pretty well that if you can get a lot of pressure on Mahomes, he's human... pretty much just like absolutely any other QB in history.

 

I don't know much about college football, but this guy was evidently Dane Brugler's 44th ranked prospect so we got good value there if that's true.  Does anyone have a clue whether we still save money on the Cap if we cut Addison before the season?  Regardless... Beane is looking towards the future.  Even if Hughes and Addison remain... they're old and at least Addison will almost certainly be gone next year... but likely both.  Reading the tea leaves I would say Beane understands he's about to pay Josh Allen big money and he wants our edge rushers to be set.  In order to ensure that, he's making sure they're part of a rotation this year so they can learn from the savvy vets and then will be our starters next year.

 

But... what about CB?

Good thing the season doesn’t start until September and we have 4 picks left and a decent amount of good free agent CBs still available.  

[That's No Moon]

2 hours ago, The Governor said:

I’m not complaining. I’m just a little freaked out that everyone is fixated on the Chiefs when it could very well be the Titans, who could totally rag-doll us physically.

Not to mention Cleveland who I was also not interested in playing last year and who has continued to get better.

[transplantbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Good thing the season doesn’t start until September and we have 4 picks left and a decent amount of good free agent CBs still available.  

 

Yes.... you're right... thanks for pulling me off the ledge   

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Not to mention Cleveland who I was also not interested in playing last year and who has continued to get better.

Yeah, they’re more physical. I want big dudes on both sides of the ball. Imagine Josh behind a huge line, with a physical back, with a Corey Davis sized receiver along with Diggs and Beas.

 

We’re too small. I think the organization agrees with me.

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Nah... I thought he was the better option than Ford last season even when Ford was healthy.

He’s going to have to steal it from him because I’m confident Ford is the penciled in starter for now.

[machine gun kelly]

20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Actually our 3rd round pick is apparently 6'9"

And to another poster, Hodgins is 6’4”, not 6’3”.

 

As to the 4D chess, ummm .....

 

Beane has this to say.

 

 

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Actually our 3rd round pick is apparently 6'9"

You're telling me he's actually bigger than this guy?

 

Also fun fact Boogie's cousin was a DE for the Jets last year.

[BillsSbSoon]

I hate when we draft an older rookie by rookie standards but its a stupid nitpick i know. 24 by the time the season ends. Josh was 24 in his 3rd year for example. 

[transplantbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

You're telling me he's actually bigger than this guy?

 

Also fun fact Boogie's cousin was a DE for the Jets last year.

 

I guess it depends on your source... this Athletic article says he's 6'9"... but if his pro-day says he's 6'8"... he's probably 6'8"...

https://theathletic.com/2509227/2021/04/30/what-the-bills-are-getting-in-northern-iowa-ot-spencer-brown-a-6-foot-9-monster-who-continues-to-improve/

What the Bills are getting in Northern Iowa OT Spencer Brown, a 6-foot-9 ‘monster’ who continues to improve

By Scott Dochterman 1h ago 5 

 

Spencer Brown’s five-year transition from low-level recruit to third-round draft pick by Bills is nothing short of astounding.

Growing up in southwest Iowa, Brown (6-foot-9, 321 pounds) played for an eight-man football program and was all-everything in three sports. 

 

...

 

After his true freshman season, Brown sat down with UNI coach Mark Farley. The goal was to add weight but keep Brown — then 6-8, 235 pounds — limber enough to remain a pass-catcher.

 

Coachspeak

 

“He is so flexible. He was 210 pounds and a skinny basketball player when we got him in. We took him as a tight end originally, but he was athletic. Then when he went to 255 and 275, he had the same athleticism, the same flexibility and then he moved into 300 pounds. There’s not many 315-pound guys that are 6-9 that can get into stance and bend and get down low like he can.” — Northern Iowa head coach Mark Farley

 

 

 

but yes... he's bigger than that guy

[GreggTX]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

This makes absolutely no sense.  Even once Addison and Hughes are gone, you still have 3 DE's in two years.  I mean, what's the plan here?

 

I'm sorry, but I don't like this at all

I would have preferred a CB, but I still like it. Rousseau is a high risk, high reward pick, so I guess they just wanted to double down. Epinesa had a weak rookie campaign too. DE is probably the most important position after QB. It could have been worse.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

To me this would make all the sense in the world if we weren't desperate for CBs at this point.  Now I'm genuinely worried about our CB situation beyond White... and next year it'll only be him and Jackson under contract.

 

That said, I think the Super Bowl proved pretty well that if you can get a lot of pressure on Mahomes, he's human... pretty much just like absolutely any other QB in history.

 

I don't know much about college football, but this guy was evidently Dane Brugler's 44th ranked prospect so we got good value there if that's true.  Does anyone have a clue whether we still save money on the Cap if we cut Addison before the season?  Regardless... Beane is looking towards the future.  Even if Hughes and Addison remain... they're old and at least Addison will almost certainly be gone next year... but likely both.  Reading the tea leaves I would say Beane understands he's about to pay Josh Allen big money and he wants our edge rushers to be set.  In order to ensure that, he's making sure they're part of a rotation this year so they can learn from the savvy vets and then will be our starters next year.

 

But... what about CB?

 

I seen you already got the FA option to your post.  I was totally wrong too.  I would of bet that a CB would of been taken in the first 3 rounds.

Along with the FA option all I got left is that they found Dane Jackson in the 6th last year and maybe they can repeat with a 5th rounder

tomorrow.

[BobbyC81]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

This makes absolutely no sense.  Even once Addison and Hughes are gone, you still have 3 DE's in two years.  I mean, what's the plan here?

 

I'm sorry, but I don't like this at all

Well, ignoring Beane’s comments that Rousseau will focus on playing DE in his first year, he was known for his pass rush from the inside. 

[YoloinOhio]

*taps mic*
 

Boogie basham is an unexpected child. I was not planning on having him, I may be scared and confused. But now that he’s here I can’t imagine life without him.

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, ColeB said:

Well, ignoring Beane’s comments that Rousseau will focus on playing DE in his first year, he was known for his pass rush from the inside. 

He was also getting it done from the outside look at all the tape instead of just what people are telling you

[KOKBILLS]

A final point on this pick...

 

I know most of us watched every down of Bills football last year...But in case you forgot the Bills Defense dropped from 9th in the league in 3rd Down Defense (36.44%)in 2019 to 19th in 2020 (41.7%)...I'm certain most of you remember the painful drop off in 3rd and long D this year...There were only 2 Playoff teams worse than the Bills D on 3rd Down (Cleveland and Seattle)...

 

They also dropped from 6th in the league in sacks per game (3.0) in 2019 to 15th (2.3) in 2020...From 2nd in scoring D in 2019 (16.5) to 14th (23.2) in 2020. That's basically a TD per game...From 4th in passing yards per game in 2019 (196.6) to 14th in 2020 (239.5)...

 

McD is a Defensive Coach...None of this went unnoticed...

 

From a personal perspective, as amazing as it was to see the Bills Offense operate in 2020 and watch Josh Allen mature into an NFL star, it was almost equally as frustrating watching this Defense...It is 100% true that maintaining excellence on Defense year after year in the NFL is unlikely...But I doubt very much McD cares about the odds....The truth is, if this Bills Offense can maintain in the passing game, improve running the ball to keep Defenses honest, and the D can return to 2019 efficiency...Well...Then we'll be talking about a legit SB Championship caliber team...

 

And that's why I love the Draft approach this year...The Bills were not good enough, especially in the trenches on Defense...They went long stretches of games not effecting the opposing QB nearly enough...Nothing is guaranteed of course, but McBeane are out to change that in a blunt-force kind of way...And I'm greatly encouraged by the effort...Yes it's going to mean some surprising roster changes are coming to the D-Line...But IMHO it's 100% warranted and needed to take that last big step... 😎

[BillsShredder83]

One thing that immediately jumps out on tape is he is lined up all over the #%@$g place!  It took me 2 replays to find where he started the play.  Thats gotta be a nightmare if youre a qb, or all the sudden hes your new blocking assignment after you break the huddle. His power looks great, but he has some lateral quickness i like too

[Agent 91]

4 hours ago, DJB said:

Beane when he sees an edge guy available and he's on the clock

 

 

This... is the best meme I have ever seen!!!

[Agent 91]

4 hours ago, McBean said:

McBeane watched last years super bowl 10x daily I guess

Must not have noticed they had Lavonte David Shaq Barrett and Devin White. Because we have zero of that  at this point 

[Agent 91]

4 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Maybe more of a Zo roll?

Zo was kind of an after thought in a nickel defense which is why I am not sure why they took Epenesa last year, turned around signed Obada the draft Rousseau and Basham a month or so later. Yes Beane said inside outside but until they get on the field all that banter is moot we need a 0 or 1 tech which is a little more far fetched when you invested so much in the d line already. This is a tough one to try to figure out. They have a process I guess but I am not prepared to have blind faith yet. Pressing needs were bypassed, whos going to replace Beasley in the slot. And are they going to let Levi beat Richard Sherman this year? Who is supposed to cover all these tight ends?Tyrrell Dodson Antonio Phillips and Matt Milano? With no 4th rd... yet. (I bet we trade into it) They have to really hope they stumble upon a day 1 contributor somewhere in the next 4 picks.

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Major influx of Youth and talent at DE with the early double dip. This put Addison Gone. And maybe even a Harrison Phillips on notice with Rousseau moving inside on passing downs. 
 

this will allow a youth movement in a position group that needed it. I also think the double dip (after signing in the position in UFA) puts Hughes on the Block. 

I just dont understand why people cant understand this

 

We dont have enough picks to make everyone happy.....we are not picking high enough to trade down like in previous years (when we even did) we are picking at the end of rounds.

 

Beane has a clear focus on what he is doing......ONCE WE HIT THE PLAYOFFS our lines were getting bullied....getting pushed around.....both sides.

 

Beane is fixing that.

[transplantbillsfan]

Remember that this guy is in the 270s...

 

Greg Cosell speaking with Chris Brown tonight after our pick said scouts believed if he bulks up to 280+ believe he could swing inside...

 

Personally, I'm thinking of the Epenesa body transformation last offseason ...

 

Could Boogie be a long-term DT inside?

[DrPJax]

5 hours ago, stevewin said:

Ha - just got a txt from someone I know - their son-in law is a distant cousin of Basham

 

 

And I once was on a plane with Macho Man

I will forever have distasteful visions of macho fan from the Browns dancing around on the stage and Cleveland jumping ahead of us to draft JOK just a few spots ahead of us sitting at 61.  I was hoping after he made it that long that we had a great shot at him and I envisioned us finally having an answer to tight ends like Kelce, the Pats running 12 personnel, and the fins tight ends also abusing us!  I thought Beane sat still a little too long with JOK within reach at a reasonable price , and Cleveland was aggressive knowing they needed an answer for Kelce as well after addressing edge with Clowney and Garrett.   We still have no answer for covering tight ends but maybe we can get some actual sacks rather than just pressures that don’t seem to bother Mahomes or Brady. 
 

We still need to hope we develop a run game and we still have to see if we can get production from our tight ends down the seams. Still more draft to go but Beane was not leaving without ramping up pressure from our d lines! 

[CaptnCoke11]

Looks like a DE to me.  Maybe slide inside on obvious passing downs 

[DrPJax]

1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said:

A final point on this pick...

 

I know most of us watched every down of Bills football last year...But in case you forgot the Bills Defense dropped from 9th in the league in 3rd Down Defense (36.44%)in 2019 to 19th in 2020 (41.7%)...I'm certain most of you remember the painful drop off in 3rd and long D this year...There were only 2 Playoff teams worse than the Bills D on 3rd Down (Cleveland and Seattle)...

 

They also dropped from 6th in the league in sacks per game (3.0) in 2019 to 15th (2.3) in 2020...From 2nd in scoring D in 2019 (16.5) to 14th (23.2) in 2020. That's basically a TD per game...From 4th in passing yards per game in 2019 (196.6) to 14th in 2020 (239.5)...

 

McD is a Defensive Coach...None of this went unnoticed...

 

From a personal perspective, as amazing as it was to see the Bills Offense operate in 2020 and watch Josh Allen mature into an NFL star, it was almost equally as frustrating watching this Defense...It is 100% true that maintaining excellence on Defense year after year in the NFL is unlikely...But I doubt very much McD cares about the odds....The truth is, if this Bills Offense can maintain in the passing game, improve running the ball to keep Defenses honest, and the D can return to 2019 efficiency...Well...Then we'll be talking about a legit SB Championship caliber team...

 

And that's why I love the Draft approach this year...The Bills were not good enough, especially in the trenches on Defense...They went long stretches of games not effecting the opposing QB nearly enough...Nothing is guaranteed of course, but McBeane are out to change that in a blunt-force kind of way...And I'm greatly encouraged by the effort...Yes it's going to mean some surprising roster changes are coming to the D-Line...But IMHO it's 100% warranted and needed to take that last big step... 😎

Great points and I appreciate the stats you provided. D line needed work, my only issue is was this the draft with actual talent at edge to truly make a difference THIS YEAR.  We had a shot at JOK ( 15 th ranked player overall by many) who can blitz, cover tight ends , and actually had production last year. We may have stood still a little too long allowing Cleveland, a conference and probable playoff foe, to jump up and grab him.  I like McBeane addressing our d issues , I just wonder if taking two edge guys was the best option for getting the needed production this season. I hope so! 

[Mountain Man]

Looks like a DE to me too. I'm not a fan of changing players weights massively without a clear reason just for the sake of it. Epenesa clearly played differently in his final year at Iowa because of the extra weight, that wasn't the case here

Edited May 1, 2021 by Mountain Man

[Apocalypse Nuts]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

*taps mic*
 

Boogie basham is an unexpected child. I was not planning on having him, I may be scared and confused. But now that he’s here I can’t imagine life without him.

Pure gold!  About fell off the comode laughing just now!

[RobbRiddick]

7 hours ago, stevewin said:

 

And I once was on a plane with Macho Man

 

 

ooooooooooooooooooooooh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah?

[BuffaloBill]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If he's gone this season, we'd be paying something like $8.5M to look at his empty locker

 

 

Isn’t that what you’ll get if SDS cuts you from being a Mod?

[PrimeTime101]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Isn’t that what you’ll get if SDS cuts you from being a Mod?

trying really hard to get the humor in this lol

[machine gun kelly]

He and GROOT seem more like DE’s, but can stunt inside.  They’ll get creative with these guys.  The intangibles on Brown are off the chart.  He’s way too big and tall to play G as some had suggested.  You don’t see 6’9” Guards.

[Mango]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Three years of day two picks: two running backs, three edge defenders.  And there’s still one to go!  

And we still suck at running the ball and sacking the QB. 😂

 

(I am kidding, kind of)

[CSBill]

3 hours ago, DrPJax said:

I will forever have distasteful visions of macho fan from the Browns dancing around on the stage and Cleveland jumping ahead of us to draft JOK just a few spots ahead of us sitting at 61.  I was hoping after he made it that long that we had a great shot at him and I envisioned us finally having an answer to tight ends like Kelce, the Pats running 12 personnel, and the fins tight ends also abusing us!  I thought Beane sat still a little too long with JOK within reach at a reasonable price , and Cleveland was aggressive knowing they needed an answer for Kelce as well after addressing edge with Clowney and Garrett.   We still have no answer for covering tight ends but maybe we can get some actual sacks rather than just pressures that don’t seem to bother Mahomes or Brady. 
 

We still need to hope we develop a run game and we still have to see if we can get production from our tight ends down the seams. Still more draft to go but Beane was not leaving without ramping up pressure from our d lines! 

 

JOK (who ever that is) lasted until 61, didn't you want him in the first? Hmmmm????

[machine gun kelly]

39 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

I see Brown being the inverse of Jason Peters. Being an OL but being used like a TE.

 

I hope you’re right.  He ran a 4.94 40 so a little slow for a TE, but every other metric was off the charts.

[Clyde Smith]

Versatility on the Dline is a trait I see the Bills are aiming at with the linemen that was picked the last few years. Battle is won in the trenches, and they are ready for combat.