ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rubes said: Nice perspective here... In a perfect world you want to dress 5 WRs on gameday. The reason the Bills dressed 6 was Andre Roberts. If McKenzie can keep a handle on Punts 5 will be the number. Kickoffs can be returned by a lot of guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I wonder if the Bills considered Isaac McKittrick as an alternative before re-signing McKenzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) He's loved being a part of the team, and that makes me happy to see a guy who has a defined role and *could* do even more want to be with this team as it continues ascent to the top of the NFL. I too think he should be given KR / PR duties given how well he did in his limited opportunities. Also, he might be a good Slot WR, quick twitch-speed option for the Offense. The Draft can add size at WR plus Davis and Hodgins are already good value sized WRs. Edit: "I" am definitively, unequivocally NOT a good Slot WR, but "HE" might be.... Edited March 23, 2021 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rubes said: Nice perspective here... Always good to have a tough competition for those last few spots in the WR room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: He definitely showed an ability to make the jump to legitimate NFL playmaker last year. Really nice WR group with Diggs, Beasley, Davis, Sanders, McKenzie and Hodgins. Have to imagine they will give him the opportunity to be KR/PR?.. I don't think we know yet if Hodgins can play...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: We shall see. I just don't know how we are expected to improve if we are just brining back all the same players. I hope he doesn't make the team, just because that means we upgraded what he could bring us in the draft. I really want an player that can stretch the field. We are running out of spots on the 51, so I thought Isiah's was a spot that could have been upgraded to bring in a guy to do it all, not just touch the ball 3 times a game. Thank you. The inconvenient truth. Everyone seems to be forgetting why we lost to the Chiefs. They said we need to improve our speed, but it's only gotten slightly worse by replacing Brown with Sanders. We need dynamic weapons to go blow for blow with Tyreek Hill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: In a perfect world you want to dress 5 WRs on gameday. The reason the Bills dressed 6 was Andre Roberts. If McKenzie can keep a handle on Punts 5 will be the number. Kickoffs can be returned by a lot of guys. With as many 4 WR sets the Bills run I am not sure if they would want to do that or not...1 injury and you are in jeopardy of not being able to run 4 WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: So far we have a net loss of speed on offense. How will they improve? I want to see some speed in the RB group. But that's me. I know Hollister at TE is a long shot but at least speed is his big weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I would throw Jake Kumerow into that list someone but this looks right Yeah I agree Jake definitely contribute next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, Big Turk said: With as many 4 WR sets the Bills run I am not sure if they would want to do that or not...1 injury and you are in jeopardy of not being able to run 4 WR 5-1=4? McKenzie was in most of the 4 WR sets. It was Roberts who sat out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfBubbleGum Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 51 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I ought to know better, but when I saw the post the first thing I thought of was "Isaiah McKenzie retired? Is it because of concussion risk, etc." Glad to see that missing hyphen didn't mean anything like that. Me too that's why I was being a smart ass and commented that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: We are going to have that same worry except for a guy like Patterson.....a. rookie would also scare us there. I will take a vet that has shown he has been good for us. Yeah that's true. Hyde is definitely reliable catching the kicks, however, I would hope he's not the one doing it. Just too important to the D. Personally I was in the camp that hoped they could figure a way to keep Roberts. But kinda knew it wasn't likely. But yeah, will be one of those things that will get ya worried at times no matter the replacement unless it's a player like you mentioned that's known for it. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the off season goes. Not 100% that McK will be doing it yet either. So will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I can't really remember a season where we retained so many players. Except for Brown, they really kept all of the pieces together. Glad we kept McKenzie, too - he's pretty versatile, and speedy. I like how Daboll utilizes his skills (and, of course, he's an excellent returner). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 he quit? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: I don't think we know yet if Hodgins can play...... If you go by what the players and other WR's said about him last year, sounds like he was turning heads. But yeah, kinda got to see it in a live game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Damn I really hate this teams focus on Special Teams... I kid, I kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: So far we have a net loss of speed on offense. How will they improve? Show me where Smoke made a catch in traffic.....and go back and watch how he did against man press coverage in the playoffs Sanders has an over 70 percent win rate against press man coverage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Body of work? The guy was a rookie. Mckenzie is so much better now than he was when he 1st arrived in Buffalo. Much more confident player. You can see the improvement all around as a WR. He hasn't had to return the ball much though so we'll see. In 2017 he had 21 punt returns, 3 KO returns and 3 passes caught. Those possessions accounted for 6 fumbles. I think they might have all been on the punt returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Success said: I can't really remember a season where we retained so many players. Except for Brown, they really kept all of the pieces together. Glad we kept McKenzie, too - he's pretty versatile, and speedy. I like how Daboll utilizes his skills (and, of course, he's an excellent returner). Kinda looks like what the Bucs did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: 5-1=4? McKenzie was in most of the 4 WR sets. It was Roberts who sat out. Yup, why I mentioned earlier that it's not automatic he will be the one returning kicks, yet anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, JESSEFEFFER said: In 2017 he had 21 punt returns, 3 KO returns and 3 passes caught. Those possessions accounted for 6 fumbles. I think they might have all been on the punt returns. Time to live in the now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Show me where Smoke made a catch in traffic.....and go back and watch how he did against man press coverage in the playoffs Sanders has an over 70 percent win rate against press man coverage Yup this....Smoke had decent hands, but Sanders is damn near automatic all the time. Also runs routes just as good as Smoke, or maybe better possibly. Edited March 23, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: He's loved being a part of the team, and that makes me happy to see a guy who has a defined role and *could* do even more want to be with this team as it continues ascent to the top of the NFL. I too think he should be given KR / PR duties given how well he did in his limited opportunities. Also, I might be a good Slot WR, quick twitch-speed option for the Offense. The Draft can add size at WR plus Davis and Hodgins are already good value sized WRs. What’s your 40 time? Can you run a Post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: So far we have a net loss of speed on offense. How will they improve? McKenzie adds speed. And Sanders will be jsut as effective in speed as Smoke was, since Smoke was hurt. I expect more speed to be added on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Yup, why I mentioned earlier that it's not automatic he will be the one returning kicks, yet anyways... I'm sure he will be the yardstick which the others who compete will be measured by. I seen him fumble as a rookie here in Broncoland but punt returns is a skill set that sometimes needs to be learned. They have to focus on the ball and not the gunners. Isaiah has been shagging punts as the 2nd for a couple of years now in Buffalo. I will say a CB that can return punts is a desirable draft selection if I'm Beane! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: In 2017 he had 21 punt returns, 3 KO returns and 3 passes caught. Those possessions accounted for 6 fumbles. I think they might have all been on the punt returns. As I said earlier ball security is my biggest concern on returns. It is something you can improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It is pretty well known that Beane has wanted Sanders for a while....it would not shock me to see Sanders signed to a extension after this year.....they are just being frugal. I get that, but he’s also 34 years old. His career is winding down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Big Nickle is looking very likely to me......but I am not ruling out LB....it really depends on who drops Who are the big nickle prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 35 minutes ago, wjag said: I found it interesting to hear Beane joke that maybe Josh would give him a "hometown discount." Up until this point, I thought that was just something us fans said/thought/hoped for. That's exactly what it is. Beane knows it's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm sure he will be the yardstick which the others who compete will be measured by. I seen him fumble as a rookie here in Broncoland but punt returns is a skill set that sometimes needs to be learned. They have to focus on the ball and not the gunners. Isaiah has been shagging punts as the 2nd for a couple of years now in Buffalo. I will say a CB that can return punts is a desirable draft selection if I'm Beane! Yeah I'd assume his name will be in the hat for sure. I remember back then too when he returned kicks. They would bring up how fast he was and all that a lot. With as much improvement he has shown, hopefully that part of his game also improved. Edited March 23, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: In 2017 he had 21 punt returns, 3 KO returns and 3 passes caught. Those possessions accounted for 6 fumbles. I think they might have all been on the punt returns. Players develop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Love this kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: definitely a good role player that’s familiar and comfortable. Totally fine with him deep in the depth chart and still being able to make a few plays Nice having the backup slot WR that knows the offense back as well. He performed admirably in place of Beasley.....who takes a beating. Also like that having the gadget/slot/return guy in place allows them to not have to reach past a better all-around WR in the draft to get one of those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buddo Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 While I think it's fair to say we could do with more speed in the RB group, where a lack of speed hurt us most, was on D. The Bills just fielded one of the most potent offenses they have ever had, and have managed to bring back/keep together, all of the most critical pieces, and some aren't happy about it. Lmao. For sure, there are improvements that can be made - and the addition of Sanders, imho, is one - but don't forget the old adage 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: As I said earlier ball security is my biggest concern on returns. It is something you can improve. Agreed, he has really been a surprise as of late and clearly worked his ass off while making himself a weapon that teams have to be very aware of. Not sure how much time he got chance to work on that particular part of his game. But if he does turn out to be the main guy that's back there, I'd assume in that case he has also shown (to the coaches at least) that he also improved that part and is reliable enough they trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Not sure if this makes us fast enough overall as a wide receiver corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Wow This news made my day. Like the receiver room this year. Lots of flexibility in the slot now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I'm honestly SUPER stoked about this! I know he's our 5th WR... but he'll also almost certainly take Roberts's place as our punt and kick return guy. Hopefully over the years he's learned to secure the ball a little better... but other than that I think he won't be much worse than Roberts. Plus Daboll can use him as the motion/gadget guy in our offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Other than the beach, waves, booze and sunburn, this makes my day! love me some little dirty and I’m glad that he loves us too. are there contract details yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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