Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I'm sure if Bills brass knew you'd be this triggered by the re-signing of 🇹🇼 Jones, they would have reconsidered. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Draconator said: I am SO FREAKIN GLAD I poured a Gin and Iced Tea before reading this thread! LOL, I just poured a vodka/tea myself. It sure helps! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Chargers were #1 and #2 in offense and defense but couldn't make the playoffs one year b.c they were last in ST (forget what year that was) Your logic is Garbage and you shouldn't have posting this horrible thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 It's upsetting that they focus on a very important part of the game? Good lord you are a very sad person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I really don't see how anyone could muster the energy to care about special teams signings when we have the seeds of a QB controversy slowly taking root. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: Does this really add anything to the discussion on the board? It’s not funny, it’s not clever and it completely lacks in substance. It's so freaking funny that YOU actually typed these words. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Marv Levy emphasized special teams. That brought us Steve Tasker. That brought the Bills 4 Superbowl appearances. If you can't pull you're weight on Bills special teams, you can't pull your weight as a second or third stringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. About like this thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 OP you are right. I hate it too. They have no clue what they are doing. Too much emphasis on ST. Too much rotation on Dline. Insisting on some OLB to be MLB. Drafting suspect players instead of DK Metcalfs. Keeping overpaid LBs who can't cover TEs. Pasivity in free agency. No run game. Everything sucks. We are never gonna be playoff team under this management! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Cash said: Yeah I'm pretty confused as to what prompted this thread. I'm assuming he saw we re-signed Taiwan Jones and threw a sh-tfit because there's a Running Back in FA he likes and is now realizing that it's unlikely. Though he probably should have realized that we were always more likely to draft another one to replace Yeldon rather than spending valuable cap space on a vet to hop Singletary and Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, TroutDog said: Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Is there ever a right week? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. The Bills are currently 24th in the league with cap dollars spent on Special teams. 24th. Will you only be happy if we were 32nd? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 How is this not a @4merper4mer or @Buffalo Barbarian thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, TBBills said: Chargers were #1 and #2 in offense and defense but couldn't make the playoffs one year b.c they were last in ST (forget what year that was) Your logic is Garbage and you shouldn't have posting this horrible thread. #1 and 2 in what category? Dumb playcalls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: The New England Patriots. When they won the Super Bowl against the Rams they had Matt Slater, Nate Ebner and Brandon King who played ST only (combined 20 snaps on offense and defense between the 3). They spent about $6M/year between the 3 of them... that was just the easiest one for me to find... you asked for Super Bowl winner or recent contender... I met the requirement. We’ve dedicated money towards two non-kicker players who only play ST... Matakevich and Taiwan Jones. Is there anyone I’m missing? For comparison there... Matakevich and Jones combined for 76 non-ST snaps this year. @FireChans I can follow up with the Patriots the year they beat ATL in the Super Bowl. Ebner, Mingo, King, Bolden, Slater were all primarily ST players. They spent around $6M again here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) Here are Rick Gosselin’s special teams rankings for 2020. He’s been doing this a long time and is the best in the biz. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/.amp/nfl/rick-gosselins-2020-nfl-special-teams-rankings Six of the top nine were playoff teams, and the number one team was the Patriots. It seems like Bill Belichick knows a thing or two about what’s important to winning in the NFL, and it seems like special teams success correlates directly to one’s likelihood of winning enough football games to qualify for the postseason. Weep. Tell me how a WR6 and RB4 should be kept more for their ability to play 4 snaps a game on offense than for their ability to play on punt coverage, kick coverage, punt return, and kick return teams. You can’t, because it’s a ridiculous opinion. Edited March 18, 2021 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: How is this not a @4merper4mer or @Buffalo Barbarian thread? Not sure how im connected to special teams but if they need a gunner, im there guy 😋 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: How is this not a @4merper4mer or @Buffalo Barbarian thread? What did I do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: How is this not a @4merper4mer or @Buffalo Barbarian thread? Don’t forget....... ah nm, I don’t want to get suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said: I can follow up with the Patriots the year they beat ATL in the Super Bowl. Ebner, Mingo, King, Bolden, Slater were all primarily ST players. They spent around $6M again here. Yeah, I guess it was mostly the ST game, not TB12 and BB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Not sure how im connected to special teams but if they need a gunner, im there guy 😋 Skelton played special teams in HS. Obv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Bill Belichick, probably the best coach of all time, focuses a lot on special teams. In fact, most of the good coaches do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: Skelton played special teams in HS. Obv He was the best thats for sure, better than Mario anyway 😈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 For your sake, I really hope this is parody. Otherwise, this view is clueless and disturbing. Can you count the games that swung in our favor by Bojo’s & Bass’ kicks? Roberts returns? Endzone KO’s? Kick coverage? i’d venture we have more starters playing ‘teams’ than any other playoff team. Are you old enough to remember Steve Tasker? Lou Piccone? Steve Christie? Marv Levy??? Do you even understand football?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Yeah, I guess it was mostly the ST game, not TB12 and BB. It's all part of it. Is this really about Taiwan Jones and the crumbs he makes, or was there something else that bothered you? Paying a punter average money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I'll just put this back up again. The Bills are currently sitting at 24th on money spent on special teams. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/ 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Fans don’t appreciate special teams until their team has a crappy unit. Ask a Chargers fan how important ST are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: For your sake, I really hope this is parody. Otherwise, this view is clueless and disturbing. Can you count the games that swung in our favor by Bojo’s & Bass’ kicks? Roberts returns? Endzone KO’s? Kick coverage? i’d venture we have more starters playing ‘teams’ than any other playoff team. Are you old enough to remember Steve Tasker? Lou Piccone? Steve Christie? Marv Levy??? Do you even understand football?? Lol Bojo just walked so we could upgrade the punter position. Do you understand that ST is not as important as the offense or defense in the modern NFL? Do you still live in 1950? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, eSJayDee said: How old are you? You do know that the Bills made it to the SB 4 yrs in a row? Who was our most successful coach of all time? I'll give you a hint - he started as a ST coach. Granted, this was before the cap era, but the effort & emphasis was definitely there, and this was at a time w/ smaller rosters. Who lost the SB? The coach that got outcoached and the kicker that missed a makeable FG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm assuming he saw we re-signed Taiwan Jones and threw a sh-tfit because there's a Running Back in FA he likes and is now realizing that it's unlikely. Though he probably should have realized that we were always more likely to draft another one to replace Yeldon rather than spending valuable cap space on a vet to hop Singletary and Moss. True. Although I wouldn't be suprised if we don't draft an RB, and instead sign a cheap veteran post-draft. I think they'll only draft an RB if they think he's a difference maker. Otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense to have 3 RBs on rookie deals, who are all roughly equally good. A vet min RB would bring experience to the RB room, which McDermott always wants, and financially would be about the same cost as a 3rd-rounder or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'll just put this back up again. The Bills are currently sitting at 24th on money spent on special teams. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/ Don’t confuse a good rant with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, MJS said: It's all part of it. Is this really about Taiwan Jones and the crumbs he makes, or was there something else that bothered you? Paying a punter average money? It’s not just the money, it’s the roster spots. It’s losing out on young developing players for dedicated STers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'll just put this back up again. The Bills are currently sitting at 24th on money spent on special teams. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/ Thats because the have a 5th round kicker on a rookie deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah, I guess it was mostly the ST game, not TB12 and BB. Sweetheart... this is what you asked for in your initial post... Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? That right there is a direct quote from you when you started this thread. I provided you two recent examples (2018 and 2016 Super Bowl Champions) that met your criteria of teams as much (or more) money and effort to STers than the Bills do. I never made a claim that ST had more of an impact than Belichick or Brady... I simply provided facts to answer your question. Don't get defensive and deflect now that you look clueless. If you didn't want answer... you shouldn't have asked the question. Edited March 18, 2021 by JGMcD2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'll just put this back up again. The Bills are currently sitting at 24th on money spent on special teams. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/ Wait, are you telling me we aren’t spending enough on ST? I’m outraged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, JGMcD2 said: Sweetheart... this is what you asked for in your initial post... Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? That right there is a direct quote from you when you started this thread. I provided you two recent examples (2018 and 2016 Super Bowl Champions) that met your criteria of teams as much (or more) money and effort to STers than the Bills do. I never made a claim that ST had more of an impact than Belichick or Brady... I simply provided facts to answer your questions. Don't get defensive and deflect now that you look clueless. If you didn't want answer... you shouldn't have asked the question. You were right. But the Pats and Brady don’t count. For obvious reasons. Sweetheart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 The Bills contended last year while spending that much on special teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: You were right. But the Pats and Brady don’t count. For obvious reasons. Sweetheart. Well then you should have phrased your question like this... Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion outside of the New England Patriots or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? You can't change the rules AFTER you ask the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, JGMcD2 said: Well then you should have phrased your question like this... Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion outside of the New England Patriots or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? You can't change the rules AFTER you ask the question... I just did. Next question. Just now, TN Bills Fan said: The Bills contended last year while spending that much on special teams. Went full moron. Went home empty handed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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