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I absolutely HATE our team’s focus on Special Teams


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Marv Levy emphasized special teams. That brought us Steve Tasker. That brought the Bills 4 Superbowl appearances.

 

If you can't pull you're weight on Bills special teams, you can't pull your weight as a second or third stringer.

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OP you are right.

 

I hate it too. They have no clue what they are doing. Too much emphasis on ST. Too much rotation on Dline. Insisting on some OLB to be MLB. Drafting suspect players instead of DK Metcalfs. Keeping overpaid LBs who can't cover TEs. Pasivity in free agency. No run game. Everything sucks.

 

We are never gonna be playoff team under this management!

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1 minute ago, Cash said:

 

Yeah I'm pretty confused as to what prompted this thread. 

 

I'm assuming he saw we re-signed Taiwan Jones and threw a sh-tfit because there's a Running Back in FA he likes and is now realizing that it's unlikely. Though he probably should have realized that we were always more likely to draft another one to replace Yeldon rather than spending valuable cap space on a vet to hop Singletary and Moss.

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26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This is lunacy. This is idiotic. 
 

Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? 
 

It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter?

 

The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. 
 

It’s upsetting to say the least.

 

The Bills are currently 24th in the league with cap dollars spent on Special teams.  24th.

Will you only be happy if we were 32nd?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/

 

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6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Chargers were #1 and #2 in offense and defense but couldn't make the playoffs one year b.c they were last in ST (forget what year that was) Your logic is Garbage and you shouldn't have posting this horrible thread.

#1 and 2 in what category?  Dumb playcalls? 

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7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The New England Patriots. When they won the Super Bowl against the Rams they had Matt Slater, Nate Ebner and Brandon King who played ST only (combined 20 snaps on offense and defense between the 3). They spent about $6M/year between the 3 of them... that was just the easiest one for me to find... you asked for Super Bowl winner or recent contender... I met the requirement. 
 

We’ve dedicated money towards two non-kicker players who only play ST... Matakevich and Taiwan Jones. Is there anyone I’m missing? For comparison there... Matakevich and Jones combined for 76 non-ST snaps this year. @FireChans

I can follow up with the Patriots the year they beat ATL in the Super Bowl. 
 

Ebner, Mingo, King, Bolden, Slater were all primarily ST players. They spent around $6M again here. 

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Here are Rick Gosselin’s special teams rankings for 2020. He’s been doing this a long time and is the best in the biz.
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/.amp/nfl/rick-gosselins-2020-nfl-special-teams-rankings

 

 

Six of the top nine were playoff teams, and the number one team was the Patriots. It seems like Bill Belichick knows a thing or two about what’s important to winning in the NFL, and it seems like special teams success correlates directly to one’s likelihood of winning enough football games to qualify for the postseason.

 

Weep. Tell me how a WR6 and RB4 should be kept more for their ability to play 4 snaps a game on offense than for their ability to play on punt coverage, kick coverage, punt return, and kick return teams.

 

You can’t, because it’s a ridiculous opinion.

 

 

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1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

I can follow up with the Patriots the year they beat ATL in the Super Bowl. 
 

Ebner, Mingo, King, Bolden, Slater were all primarily ST players. They spent around $6M again here. 

Yeah, I guess it was mostly the ST game, not TB12 and BB. 

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For your sake, I really hope this is parody. Otherwise, this view is clueless and disturbing. Can you count the games that swung in our favor by Bojo’s & Bass’ kicks? Roberts returns? Endzone KO’s? Kick coverage?

i’d venture we have more starters playing ‘teams’ than any other playoff team.

Are you old enough to remember Steve Tasker? Lou Piccone? Steve Christie? Marv Levy???

Do you even understand football??

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1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, I guess it was mostly the ST game, not TB12 and BB. 

It's all part of it. Is this really about Taiwan Jones and the crumbs he makes, or was there something else that bothered you? Paying a punter average money?

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1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

For your sake, I really hope this is parody. Otherwise, this view is clueless and disturbing. Can you count the games that swung in our favor by Bojo’s & Bass’ kicks? Roberts returns? Endzone KO’s? Kick coverage?

i’d venture we have more starters playing ‘teams’ than any other playoff team.

Are you old enough to remember Steve Tasker? Lou Piccone? Steve Christie? Marv Levy???

Do you even understand football??

Lol Bojo just walked so we could upgrade the punter position.

 

Do you understand that ST is not as important as the offense or defense in the modern NFL? Do you still live in 1950?

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27 minutes ago, eSJayDee said:

How old are you?  You do know that the Bills made it to the SB 4 yrs in a row?  Who was our most successful coach of all time?  I'll give you a hint - he started as a ST coach.

Granted, this was before the cap era, but the effort & emphasis was definitely there, and this was at a time w/ smaller rosters.

Who lost the SB? The coach that got outcoached and the kicker that missed a makeable FG.

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5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm assuming he saw we re-signed Taiwan Jones and threw a sh-tfit because there's a Running Back in FA he likes and is now realizing that it's unlikely. Though he probably should have realized that we were always more likely to draft another one to replace Yeldon rather than spending valuable cap space on a vet to hop Singletary and Moss.

 

True.  Although I wouldn't be suprised if we don't draft an RB, and instead sign a cheap veteran post-draft.  I think they'll only draft an RB if they think he's a difference maker.  Otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense to have 3 RBs on rookie deals, who are all roughly equally good.  A vet min RB would bring experience to the RB room, which McDermott always wants, and financially would be about the same cost as a 3rd-rounder or later.

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1 minute ago, MJS said:

It's all part of it. Is this really about Taiwan Jones and the crumbs he makes, or was there something else that bothered you? Paying a punter average money?

It’s not just the money, it’s the roster spots. It’s losing out on young developing players for dedicated STers.

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6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, I guess it was mostly the ST game, not TB12 and BB. 

Sweetheart... this is what you asked for in your initial post...

 

Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? 

 

That right there is a direct quote from you when you started this thread. I provided you two recent examples (2018 and 2016 Super Bowl Champions) that met your criteria of teams as much (or more) money and effort to STers than the Bills do.

 

I never made a claim that ST had more of an impact than Belichick or Brady... I simply provided facts to answer your question.

 

Don't get defensive and deflect now that you look clueless. If you didn't want answer... you shouldn't have asked the question.
 

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Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Sweetheart... this is what you asked for in your initial post...

 

Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? 

 

That right there is a direct quote from you when you started this thread. I provided you two recent examples (2018 and 2016 Super Bowl Champions) that met your criteria of teams as much (or more) money and effort to STers than the Bills do.

 

I never made a claim that ST had more of an impact than Belichick or Brady... I simply provided facts to answer your questions.

 

Don't get defensive and deflect now that you look clueless. If you didn't want answer... you shouldn't have asked the question.
 

You were right. But the Pats and Brady don’t count. For obvious reasons. Sweetheart.

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Just now, FireChans said:

You were right. But the Pats and Brady don’t count. For obvious reasons. Sweetheart.

Well then you should have phrased your question like this...

 

Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion outside of the New England Patriots or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? 

 

You can't change the rules AFTER you ask the question...

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Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Well then you should have phrased your question like this...

 

Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion outside of the New England Patriots or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? 

 

You can't change the rules AFTER you ask the question...

I just did. Next question.

Just now, TN Bills Fan said:

The Bills contended last year while spending that much on special teams.

Went full moron. Went home empty handed.

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