machine gun kelly Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Some people still can’t seem to grasp a restructure isn’t a pay cut Well said and a reduction is not a restructure per se. It would be great if people just use Pat Kirwan’s three R’s. Restructure (kick the can down the road), Reduce (pay cut, maybe sometimes incentives to get part back, ie. Morse), and Release, ie. Brown and Jefferson. Restructuring into bonus can help for 2021 for some of the players mentioned like White and Dawkins, and there is very little downside for the player as they still get their $, just spaced over several years. This is one year as an exception Id advocate some restructuring, and keep the pressure onto to reduce where possible. I also wonder if they ask Hughes for a $1 mil. Reduction. He’ll be 33 by the time the season starts, so you know he doesn’t want to be on the street right now. He’d get paid even less by another team. Edited March 13, 2021 by machine gun kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have us at about $8m but that is with a guess on Addison's paycut. That seems to be what most are saying. Add in Lee Smith. So approximately $10 million. Subtract the draft and we sit around $5 million. But they have no punter, so subtract at least $1 million. Long story short, there has to be more moves with the current roster coming. I'm 99% sure a Diggs extension is coming. I wonder if the Bills wait until after the draft to dive into free agency. Tender Wallace, Boettger, and sign Bojo long-term. That eats up the rest of the cap. Edited March 13, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 We signed two of the best FAs out there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 WE ARE BROKE 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 The Magic Bean, as it were, is going to make a fine stone soup. Some homespun and rough to see us through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Milano final Cap numbers are out now. $7.8 mil in 2021. That's about 1/2 what he would have received in the open market. LETS GO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Geez. Y’all make Beane’s job easy with these low expectations. We ain’t broke. Far from it. We are $10m under the cap and could easily free up another $15-20m with Hughes, White, Dawkins and Diggs re-structures/extensions. We need an upper-tier pass rusher and an in-line Tight End who isn’t just a 6th Offensive Lineman. Get it done Beane. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Geez. Y’all make Beane’s job easy with these low expectations. We ain’t broke. Far from it. We are $10m under the cap and could easily free up another $15-20m with Hughes, White, Dawkins and Diggs re-structures/extensions. We need an upper-tier pass rusher and an in-line Tight End who isn’t just a 6th Offensive Lineman. Get it done Beane. Not broke, but getting close to pulling out the credit card. Still think they need to bring back Mckensie, Wallace (4-6m) and make a decision with Barkley (say 2m). Also Boroquez (say 3m). Then 3-5m for the draft. Have to keep something in the back pocket in case something happens in season. So, couple of our own, then draft the rest. Just my thoughts, But that's why I am here and not a GM.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Not broke, but getting close to pulling out the credit card. Still think they need to bring back Mckensie, Wallace (4-6m) and make a decision with Barkley (say 2m). Also Boroquez (say 3m). Then 3-5m for the draft. Have to keep something in the back pocket in case something happens in season. So, couple of our own, then draft the rest. Just my thoughts, But that's why I am here and not a GM.. I agree with you. The only thing I would add is bringing back Feliciano. Maybe we can get him back at about 4mil/per? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Not broke, but getting close to pulling out the credit card. Still think they need to bring back Mckensie, Wallace (4-6m) and make a decision with Barkley (say 2m). Also Boroquez (say 3m). Then 3-5m for the draft. Have to keep something in the back pocket in case something happens in season. So, couple of our own, then draft the rest. Just my thoughts, But that's why I am here and not a GM.. I hear you but none of those guys move the needle much and most/all are replaceable with vet minimum guys or draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 17 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: Poyer yes, Dawkins Yes.. I doubt they touch Diggs and White is top 5 CB in the league.. I doubt they even ask him. I'd argue the opposite about Diggs. He's way underpaid and due for a big raise, so give him big signing bonus, low salary this year, then add a couple new years onto deal and large increases starting in 2022. Seeing that Mahomes just got restructured really before the new deal even kicked in, sounds like anything can happen in particular this year due to the big cut leaving teams scrambling even more than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I hear you but none of those guys move the needle much and most/all are replaceable with vet minimum guys or draft picks. In a normal year I might agree, but.... Mckensie fills multiple rolls and knows the offense. Barkley as well (not that Josh needs him, but 1 more year wouldn't hurt). Wallace knows the defense and I don't think he is as bad as some think plus would give you someone there while a rookie gets up to speed in the NFL. Boroquez is the one I go back and forth on, but if we can keep him, why risk it?? Gonna be a hard year to truly evaluate draft prospects and haven't really looked at FA's that would be better than our own at a cheaper price.. Rather have the experience in our system than saving a mill or two. But again, that's why I am not the GM... 24 minutes ago, NoName said: I agree with you. The only thing I would add is bringing back Feliciano. Maybe we can get him back at about 4mil/per? If he would take that deal, I am all for it. But from the little I have read, that may be quite the hometown discount.. But after the last few days I wouldn't doubt Beane's magic..😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 That makes it $8.9M cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, ALF said: That makes it $8.9M cap space Should just be enough for my remaining 4. Mckensie, Wallace, Boroquez and Ike. Now just need to find 4-8 for draft and emergency funds...😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) This has to be the number before the Milano and Williams deals, right? Slightly confusing because he lists others as the number before certain deals, but not us. Assuming this is the number after all the restructures before subtracting the cap hits of Milano (8 mil per spotrac) and Williams (6.15 per spotrac) - it looks like we're probably actually sitting at 7.65 under. Edited March 13, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NewEra Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 So we have around 5M after draft picks are signed. Still need to resign Bojo, which will probably cost 2M. Matakavich is only 3.5M or so, a restructure can’t save us too much money. Unless we restructure a couple of our stars (Tre, Diggs, Dawkins, Poyer), we’re strapped and talk of a Jonnu Smith or Carl Lawson/Hendrickson is just that. Talk. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: So we have around 5M after draft picks are signed. Still need to resign Bojo, which will probably cost 2M. Matakavich is only 3.5M or so, a restructure can’t save us too much money. Unless we restructure a couple of our stars (Tre, Diggs, Dawkins, Poyer), we’re strapped and talk of a Jonnu Smith or Carl Lawson/Hendrickson is just that. Talk. I agree. Unless some other moves are made, Milano and Williams will be our biggest splashes in FA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Going to be a bit quiet next week on the Bills front... unless Big Baller Beane surprises again somehow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Don't rule out a trade. 1st rounder for a DE? Then use rounds 2-3 to address CB and OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Perhaps there’s restructures/extensions that have yet to be announced but are official. Pretty sure the Bills announced all their moves so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mark92 said: Don't rule out a trade. 1st rounder for a DE? Then use rounds 2-3 to address CB and OL. You still gotta pay the player you trade for 🤷🏾♂️ 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Perhaps there’s restructures/extensions that have yet to be announced but are official. Pretty sure the Bills announced all their moves so far. This seems right. They aren’t going to go into free agency with zero flexibility. I am sure they have some agreements in principle to shift around some money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This seems right. They aren’t going to go into free agency with zero flexibility. I am sure they have some agreements in principle to shift around some money. I agree with you. Beane and McD seem too savvy not to have ANY flexibility. That said, if there’s any year where they’re going to struggle with flexibility, it’s definitely this year since the cap went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Just putting this here from Cover1: Greg isn't suggesting any or all of these moves, the point is that there are ways that Beane can wriggle around and create space under the current tight cap IF he decides it's in the Bills interest to do so 7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That seems to be what most are saying. Add in Lee Smith. So approximately $10 million. Subtract the draft and we sit around $5 million. But they have no punter, so subtract at least $1 million. Long story short, there has to be more moves with the current roster coming. I'm 99% sure a Diggs extension is coming. I wonder if the Bills wait until after the draft to dive into free agency. Tender Wallace, Boettger, and sign Bojo long-term. That eats up the rest of the cap. I don't think we need to allocate $5M for rookie draft cap while we're drafting at #30 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: You still gotta pay the player you trade for 🤷🏾♂️ Haha I was thinking the same thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 3:18 PM, Bronxbomber21 said: Can we get a pin thread with the up to date cap information please I'll try giving it a pin, but don't know if it'll fly with the "Big Guy" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think we need to allocate $5M for rookie draft cap while we're drafting at #30 What it will ultimately come down to in Top 51 Cap hit is less than $2M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Not broke, but getting close to pulling out the credit card. Still think they need to bring back Mckensie, Wallace (4-6m) and make a decision with Barkley (say 2m). Also Boroquez (say 3m). Then 3-5m for the draft. Have to keep something in the back pocket in case something happens in season. So, couple of our own, then draft the rest. Just my thoughts, But that's why I am here and not a GM.. Erm....only the 5 very best punters in the league are earning more than $3M/yr. Do you class Bojo as one of the league's 5 best? I'm not there yet. And "Laces Out, Bojo!". Though, I was surprised that our punting and kicking return game graded as high as it did per link provided by @Inigo Montoya So perhaps I would be surprised to learn that Bojo is better than I think. Points in Bojo's favor: -Leading the league in average punt distance with 50.5 -Decently high in net punt distance with 44 yds -less than half of his punts returned Per Talbot, who sometimes knows something: 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: What it will ultimately come down to in Top 51 Cap hit is less than $2M. Agree but to my understanding, the NFL requires a rookie salary pool of a certain value based upon draft position to be set aside from the salary cap as of the First day of the league new year. I could be mistaken though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Agree but to my understanding, the NFL requires a rookie salary pool of a certain value to be set aside from the salary cap as of the first day of the league new year. I could be mistaken though - I often am about the more esoteric points of capology. Nowadays teams are only required to be in compliance with the top 51 Cap Rules. Sites like Spotrac and OTC show the total cost of picks but it's not an NFL thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Nowadays teams are only required to be in compliance with the top 51 Cap Rules. Sites like Spotrac and OTC show the total cost of picks but it's not an NFL thing. I think we're talking about different things. I agree, the total cost of picks isn't an NFL thing. But the NFL requiring teams to keep cap money to sign their rookies, as far as I know, is a thing. Overthecap has some stuff about it: https://overthecap.com/explaining-the-nfl-rookie-pool-and-its-impact-on-the-salary-cap/ As far as I know the number isn't publicized, but he gives a rule-of-thumb how to estimate the "effective rookie pool" which takes into account that rookies may displace other players from the 51 and that the average salary on a 4 yr contract isn't what actually counts against the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I'll "show my work" about the Bills Draft Pick cost concerning the Top 51 Cap is as follows: Every pick that is signed "displaces" a current player already being counted against the cap. Currently those players are making at least $780,000. Round 1, Pick #30--------$2,021,038 minus $780,000 equals $1,241,038 Round 2, Pick #61--------$1,000,327 minus $780,000 equals $220,327 Round 3, Pick #93--------$865,515 minus $780,000 equals $85,515 Round 5, Pick #161--------$734,059 will not count Round 5, Pick #174--------$724,218 will not count Round 6, Pick #211--------$696,650 will not count Projected Draft Pool: $6,041,807 Top 51 resulting cap hit: $1,546,880. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I love the idea of the Diggs extension. I would go as far to say he is a bit underpaid. I would also see if I could do something with beasley’s deal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll try giving it a pin, but don't know if it'll fly with the "Big Guy" here. Whoa, whoa, whoa...aren’t you one of the big guys?:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Erm....only the 5 very best punters in the league are earning more than $3M/yr. Do you class Bojo as one of the league's 5 best? I'm not there yet. And "Laces Out, Bojo!". Though, I was surprised that our punting and kicking return game graded as high as it did per link provided by @Inigo Montoya So perhaps I would be surprised to learn that Bojo is better than I think. Points in Bojo's favor: -Leading the league in average punt distance with 50.5 -Decently high in net punt distance with 44 yds -less than half of his punts returned Per Talbot, who sometimes knows something: Agree but to my understanding, the NFL requires a rookie salary pool of a certain value based upon draft position to be set aside from the salary cap as of the First day of the league new year. I could be mistaken though. I was just using a round number, but 2.9 would be tied for 5th last I looked. But, 2.75 would be a good number in my opinion and would probably seal the deal. 2.5 would be my real thought, but may not get it done. in the scheme of things, why hagle over 250k.. obviously all depends on the actual details..🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Whoa, whoa, whoa...aren’t you one of the big guys?:) Not THE big guy though lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: You misspelled hockey team I don’t think he’s allowed to own 2 teams any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 4:56 PM, YoloinOhio said: Do we have the numbers on the Butler and Addison pay cuts yet? Addison 1.99 million and Butler 2 millon 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That seems to be what most are saying. Add in Lee Smith. So approximately $10 million. Subtract the draft and we sit around $5 million. But they have no punter, so subtract at least $1 million. Long story short, there has to be more moves with the current roster coming. I'm 99% sure a Diggs extension is coming. I wonder if the Bills wait until after the draft to dive into free agency. Tender Wallace, Boettger, and sign Bojo long-term. That eats up the rest of the cap. Based on our draft position it likely will only cost about $3 million to sign our picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 hours ago, HOUSE said: WE ARE BROKE Love your posts house 2 hours ago, Mark92 said: Don't rule out a trade. 1st rounder for a DE? Then use rounds 2-3 to address CB and OL. They would have to be transfer younger guys still on rookie contracts for all guys not being paid much money because we would have to take on that contract and give up the pic that’s why I’m not a fan of trades right now unless it is for a young guy with a lot of promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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