Addison takes pay cut

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

I think he was limited by his injury more than we know, but time will tell.

I guess I look at it like this: the coaches, front office and med. staff are closer to what's really going on than those of us watching from our couches. If they think he's the guy -- for whatever reason, then I don't have enough info to disagree with them. 

Taking your QB rating of 114+ a different way -- we were without our NT and our run defense clearly suffered because of it. Who's to say that the staff may have had Tre triggering downhill on run looks more aggressively to account for that? Just playing devil's advocate here, but regardless of what the reason was, we still almost made the super bowl. Tre's not perfect, but I think he'll have a bounce back season and is not the liability that some make him out to be. I hope I'm right.

I usually feel the same way.  I’m just in a different boat with Tre.  Maybe I’m bitter because I bought one of his autographed jerseys last offseason, with expectations that he would become a super star.  Only to watch him regress. 
 

I hope McB is right and he becomes the man.  He has the talent and his god given gifts are among the best for any MLB I’ve seen.  I’m rooting for the kid.  He can be a game changer if he develops his instincts 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

I'm trying to figure out why Smoke didn't even get a phone call about a pay cut?

He told us. The team went 5-0 without him and scored a lot of points. 

[machine gun kelly]

40 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think the final FA move needs to be TE or Edge.  It's very hard to find a day 1 impact player at that position.  I have big hopes for Epensea and Knox, but I don't want to count on them.  

 

Draft more OL, 1 Tech, and speedster later in the draft (draft looks to have a ton available around rd. 4).  

Nailed it.  I hope even with moving up we could catch fire with an edge rusher trading up to late teens, but doubtful.

 

Taking Jonnu for $8 mil, might make the price range, amd he is solid, dependable, and would contribute in 2021.  I too have high hopes for this Epenesa and Knox.  I’m nowhere near the give up on either.  Longer rope for Epenesa.  I need to see excellent hands from Knox this year.  It’s definitely possible for year 3 for a TE.

[glazeduck]

Just now, NewEra said:

I usually feel the same way.  I’m just in a different boat with Tre.  Maybe I’m bitter because I bought one of his autographed jerseys last offseason, with expectations that he would become a super star.  Only to watch him regress. 
 

I hope McB is right and he becomes the man.  He has the talent and his god given gifts are among the best for any MLB I’ve seen.  I’m rooting for the kid.  He can be a game changer if he develops his instincts 

LOL I'll trade you my EJ Manuel signed football straight up if you want! 🤣

 

I believe in Tre, I believe in Frazier, I think they'll get it figured out -- last year was just far too crazy of a season to lean into too heavily either way.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Because most take a few years to develop.  Even Kelce wasn’t a stud his rookie year.  Jonnu has proven himself over four years, and as a ton of people have said, hitting on a stud TE from the start is rare.  You’re right, they could, but we don’t have the draft capital to get the kid from FL.  He’s projected at 8.  He’s about the only one that looks at this point as a sure thing.  There are a lot of TE’s with quality this year, and I have said multiple times, but we want talent now.  Much easier to grab a speed demon WR that can develop rout running skills later and take say in the 4th.  Year 1, we just want a fast go route guy.

 

Thats my perspective.

I think Brevin Jordan can be a player out the gate.  He doesn’t get enough credit for his run blocking.  He’s not the best,

but he’s a willing blocker and is stronger than his 250lb frame suggests. He can play inline (although some say he can’t) or in the slot. I don’t know if he’ll make it to our 2nd rd pick, but I think he’d be a steal there.  

[colin]

agree w vader and dr dawk in this thread: we took a shot at watt, a real one, and we blew out one DL, and price cut two of them and our C, as well as cutting brown.

 

we inked up milano.  this tells me the holes my fantasy off season would have created basically aren't gonna be there.  w star coming back (big assumption perhaps) as we sit right now, we have a better DL than we had last season, and possibly as good/better than what we had in 2019 (i fade that tho).  

 

so, perhaps we can draft someone in the gut to just be a physical force in the rotation, and go out and throw some green at a real pass rusher.  our FO found some magic in 2018 and 2019 on D, perhaps they can rub the genie lamp again and get another top 3 D for us.  throw in some RB/TE production and im talking chip all season!

 

i like it.

[glazeduck]

3 minutes ago, Moonzoo said:

With respect to TE, what about Sweeney?  He looked promising in his rookie year, IIRC.  Should he be part of the conversation, or is he too iffy?

I don't believe Sweeney is anything more than a depth guy. If he had something we would've seen it by now.

4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Nailed it.  I hope even with moving up we could catch fire with an edge rusher trading up to late teens, but doubtful.

 

Taking Jonnu for $8 mil, might make the price range, amd he is solid, dependable, and would contribute in 2021.  I too have high hopes for this Epenesa and Knox.  I’m nowhere near the give up on either.  Longer rope for Epenesa.  I need to see excellent hands from Knox this year.  It’s definitely possible for year 3 for a TE.

Jonnu's going to get a lot more than $8. I doubt very much that we'll be a player for him.

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think Brevin Jordan can be a player out the gate.  He doesn’t get enough credit for his run blocking.  He’s not the best,

but he’s a willing blocker and is stronger than his 250lb frame suggests. He can play inline (although some say he can’t) or in the slot. I don’t know if he’ll make it to our 2nd rd pick, but I think he’d be a steal there.  

I like Brevin Jordan, I think he'd be a great fit with Knox too.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Moonzoo said:

With respect to TE, what about Sweeney?  He looked promising in his rookie year, IIRC.  Should he be part of the conversation, or is he too iffy?

 

I believe on the first day of the new league year they can require him to report for a physical to see if his heart has healed up from covid-related myocarditis, or No.  A typical course is 3 - 6 months, so right about now is reasonable to take a look.

 

That's the first part of the conversation. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

I don't believe Sweeney is anything more than a depth guy. If he had something we would've seen it by now.

 

How do you figure that? 

 

He played in 5 first games last season as a raw rookie due to injury who obviously needed work, but he did OK.  When he got a chance to play in Game 17, he was pretty much one of the only guys on the field who flashed - 5 receptions on 5 targets for 75 yds.

 

This past season we had no chance to see if that was a flash in the pan or not because he started the season on IR with a foot injury, then went on the Covid list with myocarditis the very week they were planning to activate him off IR.

 

I'm not saying the Bills can count on him, but I don't think he's had a chance to show where he is, either.

 

I would like us to be a player for Hunter Henry.  I don't see how we possibly can be, but I didn't think we could re-sign Milano AND Williams either so...

 

[ngbills]

Yannick, Dupree, Reddick, Barrett (doubt will be available), Hendrickson, Lawson, Judon, Clowney...Any of them would be our best pass rusher.

[BobbyC81]

The Bills seem to be taking it step by step.  Ex: find out what it takes to sign Williams and then get players to restructure to free up the money.  Hopefully Feliciano is next.

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, ColeB said:

The Bills seem to be taking it step by step.  Ex: find out what it takes to sign Williams and then get players to restructure to free up the money.  Hopefully Feliciano is next.

I think it’s a really bad year to be a free agent Guard.  So many available 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, appoo said:

Would hope that 10M hit gets down to a 5M hit, as he's a reserve at this point.

I'm thinking he does take a big pay cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it is as much as you just stated.

 

This is not a good year to get a lot of money due to the reduced cap, plus he's in his 30's and he didn't have a hot year.  I would say $5 million range sounds about right.

[Tortured Soul]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

I'm thinking he does take a big pay cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it is as much as you just stated.

 

This is not a good year to get a lot of money due to the reduced cap, plus he's in his 30's and he didn't have a hot year.  I would say $5 million range sounds about right.

 

The cut is based on salary (~$7 million), not cap hit ($10 million).  So, a $5 million cut would reduce the actual money he takes home for playing this year down to ~$2 million.  That might not even be the vet minimum for him.

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, Tortured Soul said:

 

The cut is based on salary (~$7 million), not cap hit ($10 million).  So, a $5 million cut would reduce the actual money he takes home for playing this year down to ~$2 million.  That might not even be the vet minimum for him.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

[Process]

Butler, Jefferson and Addison really just needed to be let go. McDermotts plan to use a heavy rotation of a bunch of average at best DLineman is not a good one. 

 

Really hope this doesn't stop us from using a high draft pick on a pass rusher, or signing one. 

[Turbo44]

Addison led the team is sacks.  He was fine.  Butler was a bit misused with Star opting out

[glazeduck]

54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How do you figure that? 

 

He played in 5 first games last season as a raw rookie due to injury who obviously needed work, but he did OK.  When he got a chance to play in Game 17, he was pretty much one of the only guys on the field who flashed - 5 receptions on 5 targets for 75 yds.

 

This past season we had no chance to see if that was a flash in the pan or not because he started the season on IR with a foot injury, then went on the Covid list with myocarditis the very week they were planning to activate him off IR.

 

I'm not saying the Bills can count on him, but I don't think he's had a chance to show where he is, either.

 

I would like us to be a player for Hunter Henry.  I don't see how we possibly can be, but I didn't think we could re-sign Milano AND Williams either so...

 

Purely my opinion on him, based largely on college scouting. He wasn't even a solid athlete coming out of college -- how many TEs in the NFL have been even "good" without being a decent athlete? His hands are *fine*, maybe even bordering on good, but he lacked the ability to separate, so he's more of a safety valve than a weapon. He's a fine blocker but I wouldn't argue an exceptional one.

 

And this was all before Miocarditis... he's supposed to have improved in any of these areas? To use your word, I think he's an "ok" player, but "ok" players, are depth guys, nothing more.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

Butler, Jefferson and Addison really just needed to be let go. McDermotts plan to use a heavy rotation of a bunch of average at best DLineman is not a good one. 

 

Really hope this doesn't stop us from using a high draft pick on a pass rusher, or signing one. 

It’s fine if Star, Butler, Addison and Hughes are making around $5m per year.  I fully expect Beane to bring in an impact pass rusher in free agency.  
Those 4 at $20m total.  Oliver, Epenesa, Zimmer, Phillips, and the other depth guys are on rookie deals.  If Beane can flip Murphy and Jefferson’s money into a stud, the D Line should be improved.  And the pay-cuts of Butler, Addison and hopefully a restructure of Hughes paid for Milano. 

[billspro]

3 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

This worries me. Makes me believe Bills won’t go big on a DE in free agency which we desperately need in order to even touch the chiefs.

They definitely will not be going after a DE in free agency. I think the plan is to go shot for shot with them. I think we can do it too. 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

I'm trying to figure out why Smoke didn't even get a phone call about a pay cut?

 

My guess is because wideout may be our strongest position group and of all the cap-heavy guys, he was the most expendable.  

 

Still I'm sad to see him go.  When you have a good QB, it would be fun to see the team stockpile talented receivers.  

 

But we have bigger needs elsewhere.  

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean, did he have a choice? 

There’s always a choice.  

[jkeerie]

31 minutes ago, Process said:

Butler, Jefferson and Addison really just needed to be let go. McDermotts plan to use a heavy rotation of a bunch of average at best DLineman is not a good one. 

 

Really hope this doesn't stop us from using a high draft pick on a pass rusher, or signing one. 

I don't know that we can really judge the effectiveness of these players without Star in the lineup tying up blockers.  For now, Beane is eliminating roster holes so that he can be fluid in the draft.  He can then focus on best player available, rather than having to reach for a position of need.

[billsfan89]

57 minutes ago, Process said:

Butler, Jefferson and Addison really just needed to be let go. McDermotts plan to use a heavy rotation of a bunch of average at best DLineman is not a good one. 

 

Really hope this doesn't stop us from using a high draft pick on a pass rusher, or signing one. 

Jefferson is gone and Murphy won’t be resigned. I think pick 30 most likely is being spent on a pass rusher.

[Turbo44]

I think 30 with be a CB

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Beane and the players are stepping up there game and commitment to the team / process, we got a damn good group up in Buffalo. 

This is incredible in a good way. Players now are willing to take a pay cut to stay in Buffalo. The process is strong. You wouldn't have seen this 5-10 years ago. 

[Big Blitz]

Looks like Allen advocated for Addison.  

 

 

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[JerseyBills]

Awesome! 

I don't understand the Addison hate on here. He's not elite but he's very good and we're not paying him elite $  

And he's a great teammate. Always vibing with guys in locker room , brings energy and leadership.  

I'd still love a Carl Lawson but I'm content with our current group. Wouldn't mind drafting an edge in first 3 rounds.

Hoping AJ and Johnson make a jump. 

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This is incredible in a good way. Players now are willing to take a pay cut to stay in Buffalo. The process is strong. You wouldn't have seen this 5-10 years ago. 

I was literally just thinking this! 

I would envy teams that had a culture like this.  

It's such an amazing turn around and besides Hughes and Reid Ferguson,  nobody else was a Bill prior to 2017. Incredible!!

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, ColeB said:

The Bills seem to be taking it step by step.  Ex: find out what it takes to sign Williams and then get players to restructure to free up the money.  Hopefully Feliciano is next.

Man , if Ford can take a big jump n reach his potential,  this can be a scary good OL and I agree on Mongo. His versatility to play C at a high level as well is very important.  

Edited March 13, 2021 by JerseyBills

[DCbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Process said:

Butler, Jefferson and Addison really just needed to be let go. McDermotts plan to use a heavy rotation of a bunch of average at best DLineman is not a good one. 

 

Really hope this doesn't stop us from using a high draft pick on a pass rusher, or signing one. 

I think a DE in the 1st or 2nd round will happen.

[Putin]

5 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

 

How much of a pay cut ? 
And does that REALLY means that he’ll be on the roaster week one ? 
 

3 hours ago, ColeB said:

The Bills seem to be taking it step by step.  Ex: find out what it takes to sign Williams and then get players to restructure to free up the money.  Hopefully Feliciano is next.

I wouldn’t mind an upgrade over Feliciano at LG , we could probably draft one on day two 

[Putin]

2 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Addison led the team is sacks.  He was fine.  Butler was a bit misused with Star opting out

I’m with you Addison is the one out of the 3 that I hoped they’d keep , 

[BuffaloRebound]

8 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

I think a DE in the 1st or 2nd round will happen.

I don’t see it.  We have a lot of youth on the D-Line.  Oliver was a 1st rounder in 2019 and Epenesa was a 2nd rounder last year.  We need youth in the secondary.  A Defensive Back is my guess at pick 30.  At pick 61 my guess is a Guard/Center.  

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

This worries me. Makes me believe Bills won’t go big on a DE in free agency which we desperately need in order to even touch the chiefs.

respectfully disagree.  McD loves his DL rotation, best to not have unnecessary turnover WHILE adding a new piece.  I think he turns over every rock to add a premier pass rusher

[DCbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t see it.  We have a lot of youth on the D-Line.  Oliver was a 1st rounder in 2019 and Epenesa was a 2nd rounder last year.  We need youth in the secondary.  A Defensive Back is my guess at pick 30.  At pick 61 my guess is a Guard/Center.  

Addison is over 30 so is Hughes.  Plus the Bills weren't that good at rushing the passer.  

 

Bills are actually young at CB unless you're talking about Safety with Hyde and Poyer.

 

CB is a need.  I'm hoping they sign one who will start opposite White.

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

How do we know this?  Is it out there somewhere?

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

 

Thanks!  I thought it was $2M.  Maybe that's the amount he can re-earn but that's earmarked "unlikely to be achieved" so will count against next years!

 

51 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

respectfully disagree.  McD loves his DL rotation, best to not have unnecessary turnover WHILE adding a new piece.  I think he turns over every rock to add a premier pass rusher

 

From your lips to Beane's ears.  I believe he can do it, too.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

How much of a pay cut ? 
And does that REALLY means that he’ll be on the roaster week one ? 

 

If you want a guy to take a pay cut, you typically gotta give him something to make it worth his while. 

 

In Morse's case, we now know what that was:

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Morse agreed to a $3 million pay cut in 2021. As part of the new contract he received a $3.15 million guarantee on his 2021 salary.

 

So yeah, if we gave Addison guaranteed salary to add to his amortized signing bonus as dead money if cut, he's gonna be on the roster wk 1.

 

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I wouldn’t mind an upgrade over Feliciano at LG , we could probably draft one on day two 

 

I don't think they see Feliciano as a LG.  I think they see Ford there.  RG now...

 

I would like to keep Feliciano AND draft a quality C/G.  But given the low level of OL play around the league and his ability to play both sides and center capably, I think there's a chance that someone is going to give him a good contract, and Beane is going to say "we would like to keep you but we can't match that."  So I hope at least we draft someone reasonably high because the thought of going into next season with Ford and Boettger at guard doesn't fill me with love.

 

 

[DCofNC]

6 hours ago, Tortured Soul said:

 

Me, too.  But I think they cut DiMarco even after he took a pay cut last year, so there is still hope.

Would not be shocked if it happened with Addison either.  He had a few glimpses of his old production early in the year and fell off hard.  His overall number is way too high for what he put on tape.  I wouldn’t mind seeing him as a rotational guy, but I don’t want to see him as a starter.  It would be great if AJE steps up.

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Morse is $3M.  No word on the other 2 but probably $2-3M apiece.

 

 

 

Yeah, that seems the likeliest guess.

 

At that level both sides can probably stay civil. Much more and feelings would be hurt, IMO.

Edited March 13, 2021 by Thurman#1